MASSIVE new gun range in Colorado!!


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s9601694
November 18, 2012, 12:55 PM
My buddy and i stumbled upon The Second Amendment Firearms Experience LLC (http://www.second-amendment.com/) yesterday!!

This is going to be a new shooting facility with tons of covered and uncovered shooting bays on a 900 acre lot, about 5 minutes east on I-25 and Hwy 66!!

If you sign up now (for free) you will be put on the list to become a Founding Member :D:D

I called the number on the web page yesterday and spoke to Ron (one of the Managing Partners).

I am so stoked, this is 10 minutes from my house!

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thefish
November 18, 2012, 01:00 PM
bad link

leadcounsel
November 18, 2012, 01:02 PM
http://www.second-amendment.com/index.php/overview?source=CSSA-AD-SAFE-1

s9601694
November 18, 2012, 01:13 PM
Sorry about the link, i must have been shaking too much ;)

Thanks leadcounsel

mg.mikael
November 18, 2012, 01:16 PM
Would have been a bigger deal if it was in Illinois. :( Because we actually need gun ranges.

wriggly
November 18, 2012, 01:18 PM
Would have been a bigger deal if it was in Illinois. :( Because we actually need gun ranges.
We actually have plenty of ranges in Illinois. We just keep em secret from those folks that reside in Crook county. :neener::D

mg.mikael
November 18, 2012, 01:22 PM
We actually have plenty of ranges in Illinois. We just keep em secret from those folks that reside in Crook county.

Hmmm...I guess that's why I haven't heard of many since I'm in Crook County. ;) What I wouldn't give for an outdoor range.

wriggly
November 18, 2012, 01:30 PM
Sycamore gun club is open to the public on Saturdays and Sundays from noon to 4 pm. It is nice in the winter. The 100 yard positions are covered, and they have a little cbin at the range with a wood burning stove. You shoot a little then go inside and shoot the bull and warm up. Not too long a drive from Chi town.

Crystal Lake now has a new state of the art indoor facility. Includes 75 yard positions for rifle. They just dont like steel ammo. http://www.ontargetsite.com/

Certaindeaf
November 18, 2012, 01:52 PM
The prices seem fair. The only bad thing is if one misses one monthly payment due to change of mind, forgot or finances, one would then have to re-pay a new initiation fee in order to rejoin probably.

s9601694
November 18, 2012, 02:17 PM
The prices seem fair. The only bad thing is if one misses one monthly payment due to change of mind, forgot or finances, one would then have to re-pay a new initiation fee in order to rejoin probably.
Based on.......?

C96
November 18, 2012, 09:14 PM
Before I put a penny into this I would want a lot of financial information on this outfit. How is the place financed and by who? After the mess of the operation down by Las Vegas I would be extremely cautious. The early money there got royally raped.

This appears to be a potentially large operation and a lot of dollars will need to be involved. If/when it doesn't work who gets stuck?

allan

Certaindeaf
November 18, 2012, 11:14 PM
Based on.......?
What do you mean?

On page two or whatever is their pricing structure.

I'm just saying that it's normal/common for people to find, for whatever reason, that something (another example is healthclub memberships) might not be for them and then let their membership/monthly dues lapse. To reinstate membership, one is of course and necessarily required to pay the "initiation" fees once again.

s9601694
November 19, 2012, 12:14 PM
What do you mean?

On page two or whatever is their pricing structure.

I'm just saying that it's normal/common for people to find, for whatever reason, that something (another example is healthclub memberships) might not be for them and then let their membership/monthly dues lapse. To reinstate membership, one is of course and necessarily required to pay the "initiation" fees once again.
I agree with what you're saying about what's "probably" the case, but for now that isnt stated on their website..

Either way I am excited, and think that the price is fair for what you will be getting, even more so if you compare it with other ranges here. This is of course a determination everyone has to make for themselves.

Just trying to share the joy here people!

Coltdriver
November 19, 2012, 09:34 PM
This is really good news! I have been going up to Pawnee Sports which is 60 miles away. I am probably 5 miles from this place. Just hope they will have a 200 yard range.

s9601694
November 19, 2012, 09:41 PM
When i talked to Ron (one of the managing partners) he told me that they will start with maximum 100 yard ranges but that they have enough real estate to go way further. I understood that they will be further developing the facility as the years go by and as members request.

coloradokevin
November 20, 2012, 05:26 AM
A bit more expensive than I would hope for, as a regular shooter.

The range I belong to here in Colorado (WHAC) goes out to about 600 yards (berms at 25, 50, 100, 200, 300, 450, 500, 550 yards), and has separate ranges for pistol and archery, along with a basic shotgunning setup. Is it fancy? Not really. But, it works well for people who like to shoot, it's a fairly friendly group of people, and it only costs $200 year for unlimited use.

Don't get me wrong, this new place sounds nice. It just doesn't seem cheap to me.

s9601694
November 20, 2012, 01:37 PM
A bit more expensive than I would hope for, as a regular shooter.

The range I belong to here in Colorado (WHAC) goes out to about 600 yards (berms at 25, 50, 100, 200, 300, 450, 500, 550 yards), and has separate ranges for pistol and archery, along with a basic shotgunning setup. Is it fancy? Not really. But, it works well for people who like to shoot, it's a fairly friendly group of people, and it only costs $200 year for unlimited use.

Don't get me wrong, this new place sounds nice. It just doesn't seem cheap to me.
I'm also a member of WHAC, great place, very laid back. Unfortunately more than an hour from me!

MICHAEL T
November 21, 2012, 07:22 PM
You have no guns in you area (legal anyway ) so no range needed .

Honest John
November 21, 2012, 08:10 PM
I have a suggestion - before you put any money into this, check with the local government (city, town, or county) Planning Department to make sure the range has all the entitlements and approvals they'll need to build and operate. It looks like it's in unincorporated Weld County, which bodes well.
As an aside, I have very fond memories of the range in Sycamore, Illinois.

ApplePie
November 21, 2012, 08:51 PM
Am I just cheap, or do those prices seem very expensive? I'm used to annual fees of around $150 per year at both the Buffalo Creek Gun Club near Bailey, CO, and the Eagle Valley Gun Glub in Gypsum, CO. Sure, it's an apples to oranges comparison, but at the prices for this new range, it sure does make it a lot more expensive to shoot.

Well... if you've got the money to spend...
I guess people who have no problem paying $250/month for family cell-phone access, plus $200/month for all the cable TV channels can afford it.

s9601694
November 21, 2012, 08:54 PM
You have no guns in you area (legal anyway ) so no range needed .
Who are you referring to?

s9601694
November 21, 2012, 08:56 PM
I have a suggestion - before you put any money into this, check with the local government (city, town, or county) Planning Department to make sure the range has all the entitlements and approvals they'll need to build and operate. It looks like it's in unincorporated Weld County, which bodes well.
As an aside, I have very fond memories of the range in Sycamore, Illinois.
Might be a good idea.. I got the impression that they wont ask any deposits before they start construction. But if nothing has happened by the time they ask for deposits, we'll (my gun buddies and I) have to dig a little.

Coltdriver
November 21, 2012, 09:48 PM
I did go ahead and sign up but I think I may drop a note and say forget it.

I did not look at the prices before getting all excited. Just out of my league.

Having owned and operated a couple of small businesses I understand the need to model income and expense. But at these prices I wonder if they can make this work. If they do it will be without me.

More power to em! We need a range closer than 50 miles away here but at these prices, 50 miles away is still a better deal.

steelerdude99
November 22, 2012, 10:02 AM
Just my opinion, a lot of marketing. It looks like their pricing is setup for high initial profit or loan repayment. Then they have a steady future cash flow from those who actually shoot regularly. Great for the investors; not so much for the shooters.

I did not see any mention ammo anywhere in the brief reading that I did. Will they allow shooters to bring your own ammo or require shooters to use theirs? Requiring shooters to buy over priced range ammo can add to the bottom line.

chuck

AirForceShooter
November 22, 2012, 11:07 AM
Wish they would post the rules.

AFS

SecondAmendment
November 22, 2012, 01:23 PM
Hi guys! I am one of the principals of the Second Amendment Firearms Experience (S.A.F.E.) in Colorado and just wanted to express my sincere appreciation for your enthusiasm over our project and answer a few questions that I saw posted here. First, we will not require you to purchase ammo from us. You can either bring your own or purchase from our Pro Shop at substantial discounts, your choice! We all have our favorite ammo suppliers (or reload) so continue whatever you like best but hopefully you find our prices very competitive if you choose to honor us with your business.

With respect to initiation fees, we will be allowing up to a one year grace period for you to suspend and then resume your membership with no new initiation fee so if you need to stop your membership temporarily, you will be absolutely welcome to do that with no penalty whatsoever to you.

Finally, we are 100% funded (after a multi-year, enormous effort with every financing obstacle imaginable in our way in this economy) so we won't be asking for membership deposits until after we are well under construction during late winter/early spring and even then it will be a small deposit to just hold your spot until we open. The deposit will also be placed into an escrow account and not touched so our customers have nothing at all at risk.

S.A.F.E.'s mission is to be one of the best tactical training facilities in the U.S. located in one of most beautiful, and convenient, places in the country. It is an incredibly ambitious and expensive undertaking and has taken us years (and a lot of money in legal fees, etc.) to get to this point. Colorado's Front Range has lost almost half of its shooting ranges in the past 15 years because of massive regulatory hurdles, anti-gun communities and very expensive land so we really are bucking a trend here and are very appreciative for the overwhelming firearms community support and unbelievable number of membership requests we have seen to date that have far exceeded our expectations. We have located right in the heart of the Front Range, less than 30 minutes from Denver and from the airport.

We understand that the pricing structure will not be for everyone but hopefully you can appreciate that 900 acres of land in Colorado's Front Range is enormously expensive as is our 65,000+ ft. covered structure for year round shooting as well as the incredible amenities including 2 shoot-houses, a video simulator with 700+ scenarios and tactical ranges with automated moving targets. We are offering a law enforcement training experience (and even better!) to the general public.

Our memberships start at roughly $24/month ($15.83/month for Law Enforcement/Military) for a weekday non-tactical range membership for those looking for more of a range, rather than training, experience and go up from there depending on your need/desire for more advanced training and shooting opportunities. For what you are getting, we think it's an absolutely tremendous value.

Wishing everyone a Happy Thanksgiving and we sincerely appreciate the great questions and enormous support we've received. Without your support and that of the entire firearms community, a project like this wouldn't be possible.

Ron

s9601694
November 22, 2012, 08:24 PM
Hi guys! I am one of the principals of the Second Amendment Firearms Experience (S.A.F.E.) in Colorado and just wanted to express my sincere appreciation for your enthusiasm over our project and answer a few questions that I saw posted here. First, we will not require you to purchase ammo from us. You can either bring your own or purchase from our Pro Shop at substantial discounts, your choice! We all have our favorite ammo suppliers (or reload) so continue whatever you like best but hopefully you find our prices very competitive if you choose to honor us with your business.

With respect to initiation fees, we will be allowing up to a one year grace period for you to suspend and then resume your membership with no new initiation fee so if you need to stop your membership temporarily, you will be absolutely welcome to do that with no penalty whatsoever to you.

Finally, we are 100% funded (after a multi-year, enormous effort with every financing obstacle imaginable in our way in this economy) so we won't be asking for membership deposits until after we are well under construction during late winter/early spring and even then it will be a small deposit to just hold your spot until we open. The deposit will also be placed into an escrow account and not touched so our customers have nothing at all at risk.

S.A.F.E.'s mission is to be one of the best tactical training facilities in the U.S. located in one of most beautiful, and convenient, places in the country. It is an incredibly ambitious and expensive undertaking and has taken us years (and a lot of money in legal fees, etc.) to get to this point. Colorado's Front Range has lost almost half of its shooting ranges in the past 15 years because of massive regulatory hurdles, anti-gun communities and very expensive land so we really are bucking a trend here and are very appreciative for the overwhelming firearms community support and unbelievable number of membership requests we have seen to date that have far exceeded our expectations. We have located right in the heart of the Front Range, less than 30 minutes from Denver and from the airport.

We understand that the pricing structure will not be for everyone but hopefully you can appreciate that 900 acres of land in Colorado's Front Range is enormously expensive as is our 65,000+ ft. covered structure for year round shooting as well as the incredible amenities including 2 shoot-houses, a video simulator with 700+ scenarios and tactical ranges with automated moving targets. We are offering a law enforcement training experience (and even better!) to the general public.

Our memberships start at roughly $24/month ($15.83/month for Law Enforcement/Military) for a weekday non-tactical range membership for those looking for more of a range, rather than training, experience and go up from there depending on your need/desire for more advanced training and shooting opportunities. For what you are getting, we think it's an absolutely tremendous value.

Wishing everyone a Happy Thanksgiving and we sincerely appreciate the great questions and enormous support we've received. Without your support and that of the entire firearms community, a project like this wouldn't be possible.

Ron
Thanks for your clarifications Ron! I am looking forward to the summer!

coloradokevin
November 27, 2012, 03:44 AM
Ron,

Thanks for joining the discussion. While I mentioned price in my post, I do realize that there is a substantial cost to what you are doing, and your prices are actually pretty competitive when compared with some other facilities that have simple indoor ranges.

Didn't mean to knock you guys on the basis of price... I simply miss the days when you could go nearly anywhere and shoot without problems. As you mentioned, we've lost the majority of our formal/informal public shooting venues here in the Front Range in the past 15 years or so (I'd say that we've literally lost dozens of spots that I know of).

wannabeagunsmith
November 27, 2012, 07:01 PM
The fact you will bring in airplanes/cars to shoot from is a major selling point. Plus, you will also have outdoor shooting which is cool. I do have one question though: will hunters be allowed on the property during deer season, I think that would be cool.. Thanks

22-rimfire
November 27, 2012, 08:15 PM
Seems a bit expensive to me. I would wait until it opens and pay them a visit, and maybe shoot a bit.

Intrepid Dad
November 27, 2012, 08:57 PM
Dang! If it was 30 minutes south of Denver I'd be all in. But living in Colorado Springs, it'd be a bit of a hike to get there. :(

SecondAmendment
November 29, 2012, 10:00 AM
The fact you will bring in airplanes/cars to shoot from is a major selling point. Plus, you will also have outdoor shooting which is cool. I do have one question though: will hunters be allowed on the property during deer season, I think that would be cool.. Thanks
Unfortunately, we won't be able to allow hunters on the property during deer season. With all the range activities we will have going on as well as the fact that the ranch will continue to be an active cattle grazing area it would just set up too many potential safety issues. That said, I think you'll find all of the active shooting opportunities we will feature, including lots of steel reactive targets, moving targeting systems, etc. some of the best, most fun, rewarding and fulfilling shooting and training you've ever done! Plus, after we open, we will begin planning our next phase of shooting activities including a mock tactical training town!

wannabeagunsmith
November 29, 2012, 06:52 PM
A town?! do you mean you will set up buildings? is this inside or outside. Sounds awesome either way

SecondAmendment
November 30, 2012, 09:49 AM
A town?! do you mean you will set up buildings? is this inside or outside. Sounds awesome either way
The town will be a 'movie set' facade made of wood and will be set outside. With almost 900 acres, we have plenty of opportunities for outstanding training like this. More details later for sure but once we get it operational, it's going to be a fantastic tactical, decisional and marksmanship training opportunity!

Ron

Ragnar Danneskjold
November 30, 2012, 09:57 AM
I'd like to see a range that has individually bermed lanes so that one can practice more complex things like moving and shooting, multiple targets,etc without having to worry about others. Just your own lane with backstops and protection on all sides except the entrance so you can be free to do more advanced stuff. It's hard (at least around me) to find a range where you can actually move and shoot. The closest place to me is just some public land about 2 hours away, and even then I have to stop the moment another person shows up.

Ryanxia
November 30, 2012, 10:58 AM
That's impressive. Hopefully they run it well.

22-rimfire
November 30, 2012, 01:36 PM
I don't know what is common pricing around Denver. But in my area, the pricing is even a little high for indoor ranges. Outdoor ranges are much less expensive in my area.

I do know it costs a lot to get started and they're taking a huge financial risk. So, if I lived in the area and the new range made it worth my while to join prior to the range being completed, I would consider it. But I would probably wait until the range was completed prior to joining even if there was a good incentive to "join now".

The kicker is that you see commercial enterprises start construction and then go bankrupt prior to even getting up and running as they are financing the whole affair on a shoe string (generally available cash flow). There are no refunds. If such a refund was possible, you'd have to go to court and it simply isn't worth the effort even if you are in the right legally.

Sorry SecondAmendment, but I am a realist and I try to spend my money carefully. But based on the website info and this thread, the range sounds fantastic.

wannabeagunsmith
November 30, 2012, 06:42 PM
The town will be a 'movie set' facade made of wood and will be set outside. With almost 900 acres, we have plenty of opportunities for outstanding training like this. More details later for sure but once we get it operational, it's going to be a fantastic tactical, decisional and marksmanship training opportunity!

Ron Dude, that is awesome.

Pilot
December 1, 2012, 12:49 AM
Ha, you're near Platte Valley Airport. I use to fly into there a lot.

twofifty
December 1, 2012, 01:50 AM
I recall driving along US-85 or US-34 east or north-east of Denver, and stopping at a roadside public range. This was in 1990.

This was an extensive facility, with covered stations built for quite a ways along the highway. I remember there even was a machine gun range.
We stopped and were made to feel quite welcome.

Does anyone know the name of this range, and is it still in business?

s9601694
December 1, 2012, 09:31 AM
I recall driving along US-85 or US-34 east or north-east of Denver, and stopping at a roadside public range. This was in 1990.

This was an extensive facility, with covered stations built for quite a ways along the highway. I remember there even was a machine gun range.
We stopped and were made to feel quite welcome.

Does anyone know the name of this range, and is it still in business?

Sounds interesting but unfortunately not like anything I've ever heard of!? Probably one of those sad "had to move for a 'developing' society" stories


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