Scope Manufactured to military Spec?? ITAR definition! help


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ivanthehunter
November 18, 2012, 05:09 PM
:confused:
I was looking for help understanding this statement in US Law! I'm In Europe(Ireland) and I was looking at a handgun scope on ebay. I decided to place a bid and as soon as I made a bid I got bombarded with ITAR warnings issued by ebay!!

I read the stuff on the link and to sum it up, it seems fine to buy/export any scope that was not manufactured to military specification. But I am unsure as to what really defines military specification. I'm looking for some degree of simple guidance on military scope without having to write to each manufacturer to seek details on their line of products...

What sort of features make a standard hunting scope!
Closed & capped turrets!??
Standard reticules?? 30\30 or
handgun scopes are not used by military ???

I am looking for a handgun-scope to use as a scout-scope on a 22lr takedown marlin papoose.. I fancy (2-7x32) or (3-12x32) both by Burris and with a possibility of ballistic plex reticule(5 lower aiming points) or a fixed Leupold as they are quility items too. I also found a Tasco pro class 6x40 and a burris 10x with 30\30 and AO..

I just dont want to see the local cops at the door with extradition papers for buying a scope for a 22lr :uhoh::eek:


Any help would be greatly

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ivanthehunter
November 18, 2012, 05:16 PM
This is a n extract of ebays warning--
"It appears this item is restricted for export by the U.S. Department of State (DOS) under the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (22 CFR, Parts 120-130) or the Department of Commerce under the Bureau of Industry (BIS) and Security Export Administration Regulations, EAR (15 CFR, Parts 730-774). ITAR restricted items require an export license granted from the DOS Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC) prior to export. EAR restricted items may or may not require a license, depending on the end user and the ultimate country of destination.

Directing the seller to export without complying with the regulatory licensing and documentation requirements is a violation of United States law. Please consult DDTC’S website at ww.pmddtc.state.gov and BIS’S website at www.bis.doc.gov for more guidance. Also, please refer to eBay’s Military Items Policy for additional information."
This came up putting a bid on a pistol scope-2-7x32 burris with standard plex (30/30 i think)
Any thoughts??

bikemutt
November 18, 2012, 05:49 PM
Same thing with Optics Planet. There MAY be export restrictions governing some items:

If you wish to purchase an item for ultimate shipment or use outside of the United States, please indicate this fact in your order. Depending on the value of the order, specific item(s), end user, country of ultimate destination and end use, OpticsPlanet, Inc. may be required to apply for an export license with the appropriate U.S. government agency. Several items on the website may require an export license, including, but not limited to, the following:

Generation 2, 3, or 4 Night Vision Equipment and Night Vision Accessories
Thermal Imaging Equipment and Heat Seekers
Optical Sighting Equipment and Tactical Lights (both Hand-Held and Weapon-Mountable), Accessories, and Mounting Hardware
Tactical Gear and Weapon Accessories
Knives
Military Apparel including Body Armor, Helmets and Helmet Accessories, and Shields
Some Laboratory Equipment
Some Electronic Equipment

ivanthehunter
November 18, 2012, 06:31 PM
:banghead:
knives??:confused::eek::what: What the hell is this about! is the US army being knifed while out on tour? I can understand that there is an issue with US personal being killed by items made in the US but I'm going to draw a line in the sand with knives.:) sure ye can buy knives by the box load from all over the world.. no offence

Maybe I should just give up:scrutiny:

http://pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/ITAR_Part_121.pdf
See page 473
Category I-FIREARMS, CLOSE ASSAULT WEAPONS & COMBAT SHOTGUNS.
part (f) Riflescopes manufactured to military scepifications (see category XII(c) for controls on night sighting devices)

At the end of category I there is a note which states the following "This category does not cover riflescopes & sighting devices which are not manufactured to military specifications

then
category XIIc-FIRECONTROL, RANGEFINDER,OPTICAL AND GUIDANCE &CONTROL EQUIPMENT section (c) is purely related to night sighting equipment.

It seems that this category title has been deliberately made vague and confusing in my opinion. It seems IMO that category XII is purely related to firecontrol systems and their components, yet the way the actual title is wrote and printed would suggest that they are all separate items .

Here is the link to the main http://http://pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar_official.html

ivanthehunter
November 18, 2012, 06:42 PM
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/121.1
a bit easier on the eye! but still hard on the 'old grey matter'

ivanthehunter
November 18, 2012, 06:44 PM
http://www.mckennalong.com/publications-advisories-2162.html
report of court case!

Art Eatman
November 18, 2012, 08:46 PM
Maybe contact a dealer like Midway and ask if they have any problems when shipping scopes to Canada. Odds are that they don't--and thus should be able to ship to you.

dprice3844444
November 18, 2012, 08:51 PM
marstar canada

Frank Ettin
November 19, 2012, 03:27 PM
I think Art's on the right track. Try a major dealer like Midway or Brownells. They will ship to other countries when permissible and apparently know the rules.

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