Grail gun for me - 1949 Combat Masterpiece


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jmace57
November 19, 2012, 11:00 PM
Just wanted to brag a bit. I just received today this 1949 Combat Masterpiece (Target Masterpiece?). I bought a pair of diamond grips for it, but sorta like the (fake) mother of pearl...although my wife walked in and said "oh, you got a pimp gun". I have been wanting one of these and can't wait to go shoot it. It came with the basketweave holster.

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i390/jmace57/Combatmasterpieceall.jpg

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i390/jmace57/CombatmasterpieceLeft.jpg

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i390/jmace57/Combatmasterpieceright.jpg

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Guillermo
November 19, 2012, 11:02 PM
target masterpiece

(the combat has the 4 inch barrel)

Great gun

Congratulations

Radagast
November 20, 2012, 04:38 AM
What G said.

Fotno
November 20, 2012, 10:39 AM
I have a much younger Combat Masterpiece (1971 Mod.15), and it's my favorite handgun. I imagine you're gonna really enjoy your trips to the range with this old gal. Congrats.

aarondhgraham
November 20, 2012, 10:43 AM
In every book I have read on S&W,,,
They say the correct nomenclature for the 6" model was simply "Masterpiece".

The word target was never part of it's official name.

If you look at the original boxes,,,
They said "Masterpiece"

This goes for the .38 and .22 versions.

It's no big deal,,,
Just saying what I've read.

BTW,,,
Sweet revolver,,,
Are your "pearl" grips Israeli?

I purchased a used S&W Model 36 a few months back,,,
It too had those old "Mother of Toilet Seat" grips,,,
They were marked as being "Made in Israel".

Aarond

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Iggy
November 20, 2012, 10:58 AM
That is a dandy. You are gonna love the K-22. The only problem is, you aren't gonna have any excuses for misses on your targets.

I have one for each of the 3 grand kids when they are old enough to have them and a matching K-38 when they are ready to move up to a center fire.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/Iggy25/Kframes.jpg

jmace57
November 20, 2012, 07:11 PM
Aarond - they were identified as "Jay Scott pearl" grips. They are obviously a synthetic, but not bad looking. It is a trick of the light or something in the pictures that make it look like the grips don't fit well, but they are a pretty close match.

Thanks all for your comments and observations. Beautiful guns Iggy!

Jim

jhvaughan2
November 20, 2012, 10:01 PM
the correct nomenclature for the 6" model was simply "Masterpiece".
The word target was never part of it's official name.


This.

Drail
November 20, 2012, 10:37 PM
As long as those pearl grips are on there your wife is right, it IS a pimp gun. I could maybe live with ivory but not that "mother of toilet seat" plastic.:scrutiny: That is a beautiful piece of the gunmaker's art though.

Guillermo
November 20, 2012, 10:53 PM
While I am not arguing, I am looking at page 180 of the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson, 3rd Edition.

It says under the title Model 14: K38 Target Masterpiece

"double action revolver built on the square butt K frame with five screws. This model is continued from the postwar K-38 Target Masterpiece:"

Radagast
November 20, 2012, 10:58 PM
IIRC at least some gold boxes from the 1946-1965 era had a Target Masterpiece label.

jmace57
November 20, 2012, 11:16 PM
For you drail - de-pimped. Better? ; )

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i390/jmace57/materpieceright.jpg

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i390/jmace57/materpieceleft.jpg

Zeabed
November 20, 2012, 11:34 PM
Congrats, I have a Combat Masterpiece dated 1955, in nickel plating. Just got it some Pachmayr wraparounds as the diamond grips that came with it are not ideal (for me) for shooting.

jhvaughan2
November 21, 2012, 12:56 AM
While I am not arguing, I am looking at page 180 of the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson, 3rd Edition.

It says under the title Model 14: K38 Target Masterpiece

"double action revolver built on the square butt K frame with five screws. This model is continued from the postwar K-38 Target Masterpiece:"

SCSW is a key contributor to these misnomers. It also calls revolvers "pre-xxx". Nothing was named "pre-" anything. "pre" and "Target Masterpiece" are terms that came into play after something else was named.

Roy Jinks' book on the history of S&W is more precise. There was the .38 M&P, & .38 M&P Target. The improvement was the ".38 Masterpiece" (and .22 Masterpiece, and .32 Masterpiece") It wasn't till later when the ".38 Combat Masterpiece" was released that "we" felt we had to add "Target" to the original masterpiece.

Kind of like the .45 Colt. Its name was the ".45 Colt Government". After the .45 ACP became the government cartridge, and we got the .32 long colt .38 long colt; the original became the .45 Long Colt.

Guillermo
November 21, 2012, 02:24 AM
Roy Jinks' book on the history of S&W is more precise.

certainly he is a renowned historian.

if the gun in question was never called a "target masterpiece" certainly the misinformation is widespread.

I noticed the NRA museum refers to it with the same nomenclature.

http://www.nramuseum.org/the-museum/the-galleries/the-new-prosperity/case-47-camp-perry/smith-wesson-model-14-target-masterpiece.aspx

Radagast
November 21, 2012, 03:06 AM
Jim Supica is a curator at the NRA Museum and the one of the authors of SCSW.
That being said, I stand by my statement of having see a pic of a gold box labeled Target Masterpiece.

SaxonPig
November 21, 2012, 10:59 AM
I am told by serious collectors that S&W never used the term Target Masterpiece. Others have, but not S&W. It was simply the K38 Masterpiece and when the short barrel version came out in 1949 at the request of cops who wanted the same target quality revolver in a size better suited for holster wear it was dubbed the Combat Masterpiece.

That's what the serious collectors say. I say call it whatever you want.

But lose the cheesy Jay Scoot plastic stocks with the wood backing. Worst looking things ever inflicted on the gun owning public.

Guillermo
November 21, 2012, 11:26 AM
"Masterpiece Target" could easily be read as "Target Masterpiece"

Or perhaps it was just "vernacular".

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/hammerdown-7/TheSWK-FrameTargetMasterpieceTri-1.jpg

Personally I don't care. Smith never called their short barreled guns "snubbies" but it is a perfectly good term for them that everyone understands.

I do, however, appreciate the quest for accuracy.

HOOfan_1
November 21, 2012, 11:53 AM
but sorta like the (fake) mother of pearl...although my wife walked in and said "oh, you got a pimp gun".

George S. Patton would be proud of her. Or at least George C. Scott as Patton would be.

Guillermo
November 21, 2012, 11:59 AM
They're ivory. Only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol.

George C. Scott as George S. Patton

mec
November 21, 2012, 11:27 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=175130&stc=1&d=1353554650
A model 19-3 from the 1970s is like a k38 masterpiece with an underlug. This is an unusually good group for me

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=175131&stc=1&d=1353554652
A K-22 from 1947. It has a pre-war ejector rod head and 1/10th" sights.

mec
November 21, 2012, 11:30 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=175132&stc=1&d=1353554937
and this is a Military and Police (k-frame) target model that was sent to an ammunition concern in Buenos Aires on May 27, 1929. The hammer and action job were done after the gun left the factory.

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