Thanks. Think I'll look at some others. LGS trying to sell me one. I took that as a red flag.
November 21, 2012, 02:13 AM
The KelTec and the Ruger are the better choices out their . I have 5 Kel Tec spread in my family at present . PF-9 on my hip tonight .
November 21, 2012, 02:16 AM
For what it's worth, I carried a kel-tec for a short time and found it satisfactory. My friend regularly carries a S&W bodyguard, and it is also satisfactory. The Ruger seems fine, but I have exactly five shots down one, so my opinion on that gun isn't particularly well informed.
November 21, 2012, 06:25 PM
Might want to look at kahr p380, DB380 or taurus tcp 380. We have 2 of the TCP 380's in the family and are a better choice to the KT and ruger version.
November 21, 2012, 06:51 PM
I recently downsized to a .380 and can only share that there are a lot of current choices. I think many of them are very good. I had to really spend time holding a variety of them. I wouldn't worry too much about every weakness compared to a full size duty gun, but I also wouldn't choose one that feels like you are gripping a zippo cigarette lighter either.
I found a lot of good info to consider by researching on this site and typing in each choice into YouTube and watching reviews.
I would also consider how you might really carry the piece. Good luck. It's a hard choice at the moment, and that is great news for shooters.
November 21, 2012, 08:27 PM
NAA Guardian 380
Carrying the G26 just doesn't work all the time for me. So, I am considering getting a pocket 380 for those times.
Does anyone have experience with the NAA Guardian 380? It seems to be a little heavier than Ruger, Keltec, etc. I'm thinking that may not be all bad.
How is the reliability - anyone with 500 plus rounds through one?
Don't trade a G26 for a NAA Guardian in 380. The Guardian 380 weighs as much as the G26. Capacity is 4 less than the G26 and it is a weaker cartridge. Recoil on the Guardian is snappy. Way snappier than the P3AT or LCP because the Guardian is straight blowback. After shooting the NAA and then going back to the P3AT, the P3AT feels like its sibling - the P32. I kid you not.
I have two NAA Guardians in 380. Bought a pair for the wife and me. We don't carry either one. One has 300 something rounds through it and the other is still un-fired. Reliability from the one with 300+ rounds is excellent with FMJ. With HP or the Winchester truncated cones, it doesn't feed reliably.
If you want something smaller than a G26 go with a KT P3AT or PF9 OR a Ruger LCP or LC9.
November 21, 2012, 11:54 PM
I'm not planning on getting rid of my Glock , I love the thing. I want something pocketable for the times I can't carry the Glock.
Thanks for everyone's input. I think I'll buy a KT P3AT Friday since it's tax free that day in S.C.
November 22, 2012, 07:58 AM
The recoil on the NAA is brutal. Blowback design is antiquated.
I had one and sold it. I now own a Kahr P380 and a Sig P238. Both are a pleasure to shoot.
November 22, 2012, 10:29 AM
I have owned several of the small .380s and shot several more. I bought one of the NAA Guardian .380s and traded it to a gun store at a loss. I do mot get rid of guns, I just accumulate so the fact that I dumped it should yell you something. It was the nastiest little gun I have ever shot painful recoil combined with poor accuracy and a price that is too high do not make a good combination.
I carried a Kel-Tec for years and it was a fine gun, when I wore it out (I shoot my guns a lot) the company replaced it free. The Ruger LCP is almost a direct copy of it and should be just as good. It felt the same as the Kel-Tec to me when I shot it. The Sig P238 is a wonderful gun, low recoil and very accurate, I just have a problem with a singe action pistol for pocket carry. My girl friend loves hers.
The Kahr feels about the same to me as the Sig in terms of comfort and is pretty accurate also. The Magnum research gun recoils about like the NAA. What I carry as a back up now is the Taurus 738. came by it in a trade and decided I should shoot it. It was a step up in accuracy and recoil from my Kel-Tec. It has proven reliable for me, as I said. I shoot my guns a lot.
November 22, 2012, 12:31 PM
I've got an NAA .32 and a KT P32, although the NAA is solid and well built I much prefer the KT. It has a much better trigger pull, and even though it weighs a lot less than the KT the recoil is much more comfortable than the NAA.
November 22, 2012, 12:35 PM
I think I'll buy a KT P3AT Friday since it's tax free that day in S.C.
Umm, yeah we don't believe you. You'll have to supply pics of it and its carry rig as proof.
November 22, 2012, 12:40 PM
I had a NAA Guardian .380 for a short period of time. It was far too heavy in the pocket and the trigger pull really stacked up before the break. I tried a little work on the trigger and improved it a bit but it was still horrible.
I have a Diamondback 380 now and am very pleased with it.
November 22, 2012, 01:21 PM
I have been told the bill passed the House. I will find out for sure Friday morning.http://www2.wspa.com/news/2012/feb/22/lawmakers-push-reinstate-gun-tax-holiday-ar-3279662/
November 22, 2012, 01:51 PM
One thing to note about the Kel Tecs... The magazine catch is PLASTIC/POLYMER. When you put a loaded mag into the mag well, depress the mag release. When you take out the empty mag, depress the mag release. This will have your mag catch last A LOT longer and you will avoid problems moving forward. These guns are not made for thousands and thousands of rounds. Once I had mine broken in, I shoot a mag through it every month or so. Yeah, I have 7 KT's...
November 22, 2012, 01:54 PM
I had an NAA Guardian and the only thing I can say good about it was it looked good.
Mine was unreliable, hurt to shoot and felt like I was carrying a brick in my pocket.
I replaced the Guardian with a KT P32 and it was by far the better gun.
When KT came out with the P3AT it became my pocket gun of choice.
My Son purchased an LCP and after shooting it extensively I passed and stayed with the P3AT.
I purchased a Diamondback 380 and it was a total disaster even after a factory rebuild.
The Sig P238 is now by far my pocket pistol of choice with my Taurus TCP coming in second.
I have shot both the Bodyguard and the Kahr p380 and IMO the Taurus is a better pistol than either of them with the P238 head and shoulders above all of them.
November 23, 2012, 11:58 PM
Can't say anything about the NAA .380 other than it is somewhat larger than my NAA Guardian in .32 ACP. I've owned my .32 Guardian for about 9 years now and have been extremely happy with it. The little .32 carries and conceals easy and has been very reliable. Sights leave a lot to be desired - but it is a close range design that does what it is supposed too when concealment is a priority.
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