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schmidtundve▀on
November 21, 2012, 03:43 PM
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Guy fined for baton possession (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-20436164)

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M-Cameron
November 21, 2012, 04:10 PM
police baton = $2,700 fine

Cricket bat = perfectly legal

tire iron = perfectly legal

makes sense if you dont think about it.

glistam
November 21, 2012, 04:12 PM
Says here it was "an offensive weapon." Did he write profanity all over it?

Owen Sparks
November 21, 2012, 04:12 PM
He could have substituted some other suitable object that would have served the same purpose without the 'evil' stigma of being a weapon.

JohnKSa
November 21, 2012, 07:25 PM
I carry a large flashlight in my vehicle in case I break down and need some light. If I were to require a striking implement it would serve admirably for that purpose as well. However, that guy's baton is useless if he needs some light to change a tire.

In reality, he was fined for being stupid. He could have had any number of useful objects that are legal and benign in appearance and that could also be used as batons in a pinch.

TurkeyOak
November 21, 2012, 07:48 PM
I saw a show about motorcycle gangs. One MC, name forgotten, carried a long maglight on a belt loop and a lock on a notted bandana in a back pocket. In a fight they had a club ( they called them kill lights) and a brass knuckle.
If stopped they could say the light was for night time repairs and the lock was to secure their helmet.
Smart thinking on their part.

Carl N. Brown
November 21, 2012, 08:00 PM
Headline: "fined for baton possession"

Photo caption: "fined ... after admitting possessing an offensive weapon"

Story lede: "fined for carrying a police-style baton in his car"

Which is it? Did he (merely) possess a baton? Well, no it was carried in a car in public. Did he actually admit to possessing it as a weapon for offense? Was he carrying in the car for defense? Or is a police baton considered an offensive weapon by design intent regardless of use or user intent?

The problem with stories like this, there may be a plea involved (this is the lesser of what he did and could have been charged with) or more backstory. For mere possession the fine appears excessive.

It is BBC and UK. The terms may have a clear legal definition but the use in the news item appears mixed up.

Where I come from, "carry" of a weapon is distinct from "possess" or "transport". You cannot carry in public a whole list of prohibited items as weapons of offense or defense. You can get a permit to carry a handgun for defense, and as I recall you can get certified to carry a cane for defense after training in proper use by a martial arts instructor. But you can possess (own) prohibited weapons in the home as curios, ornaments or keepsakes, unless you have a history of criminal violence. "Carry" is intent to use as a weapon; you can transport (usually cased, locked and inaccessible from the passenger compartment).

Wangmuf
November 21, 2012, 08:10 PM
What is a victim surcharge? Who did his possession of a baton victimize?

B1gGr33n
November 21, 2012, 08:36 PM
Should've invested in a cane...

ApacheCoTodd
November 21, 2012, 08:55 PM
Every now and again they'll still come up with something that even I will have to say - really!?! about.

When we were in Somalia we had to forever have gloves and balls about to justify softball bats after getting pooh in the form of nanny-ninny questions from a well known international news outlet. Funny - gunned-up like you read about and they focused on the bats as "offensive weapons".

hso
November 22, 2012, 12:21 AM
In the UK you're by default carrying an offensive weapon in your car if you have a police baton unlike here in the U.S. where there might be a chance of explaining it away as something other than a weapon.

As pointed out, a number of other easily explained equivalents can be carried in a vehicle to help avoid the discomfort of trying to explain why you have a PR 24 in your vehicle in a jurisdiction prohibiting carrying clubs.

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