JA Ceiner suppressor issues


November 21, 2012, 08:15 PM
All. I have a really old suppressor manufactured by Johnathan Arthur Ceiner way back in the 80s. It is integral with a "stub" barrel of a High Standard 22 long rifle pistol. The barrel starts at about a 1" diameter "bull barrel", but is machined right down to a tiny soda straw underneath the suppressor tube. The suppressor tube engages the 1" "bull barrel" in some unknown way.

I have taken the baffles out twice for cleaning since I bought the thing, maybe 1991 or 2. All of the baffles come out except one, all the way at the back of the suppressor, even with the muzzle of the stub barrel. The one that doesn't come out seems to serve a dual purpose.

One purpose is as a sort of spacer for the other baffles. It is maybe an inch or a little more of dead space before the first baffle. The other purpose is as a sort of block for another chamber located behind it.

The stub barrel is maybe an inch inch and a half long, and has many holes longitudinally drilled in it, so that as a bullet is still in the bore of the barrel, engaging the rifling, gasses are bled out behind it to lower its velocity. Surrounding the stub barrel is a dead space which is closed off at the muzzle of the barrel by this same baffle/spacer I cannot figure out how to get out.

I also cannot figure out how to remove the suppressor from the barrel, thinking as I do that perhaps if I can get the tube off the barrel for a moment, I may be able to clean out that dead space located around the stub barrel.

The suppressor has a rather robust grub screw in a threaded hole which transverses the tube and engages the barrel underneath it. I have been able to remove the grub screw without a lot of difficulty, thinking maybe it held that one stubborn baffle/spacer in place, or that it kept the tube from unscrewing from the barrel. But neither will the baffle come out, nor can I unscrew the tube from the stub barrel.

Is it likely threaded on there and just stubborn, needing some Kroil or something to free it up, or do you suppose it is press fit on there, and how can I tell?

I have tried over the years to learn the proper maintenance and whatnot of this item by calling JA Ceiner, but they don't answer the phone or respond to any of my attempts to answer my questions.

So I turn to you guys.

Sorry to be so long winded.


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November 21, 2012, 09:23 PM
Ceiner has a reputation for being, unpleasant. Any way check out any the the following and you might realize why he hasn't answered the phone in a while.

As far as the suppressor problem, check out silencertalk

Double Naught Spy
November 21, 2012, 10:33 PM
Ceiner has a reputation for being, unpleasant.

That was a very kind way of describing that situation.

November 21, 2012, 11:09 PM
The man DID have a product no one else had for a while. ( My dad has a Beretta 92/96 .22lr kit, that has done yeomans service as well as an AR-15 kit). Didn't he charge for customer service questions?

November 22, 2012, 05:10 AM

Prince Yamato
November 23, 2012, 01:50 AM
Isn't Ceiner in prison now on multiple felony charges? I don't think you'll get an answer from him anytime soon.

November 23, 2012, 02:20 AM
Website says updated October 31st, 2012. Maybe someone else is running the show? If I got that company, I would change the name ASAP! :eek:

November 24, 2012, 07:32 PM
believe it or not the POS had a booth at knob creek this past fall show. went up to him and asked him how his problem's turned out.....he avoided me like the plague. :) he has a hard time even standing up straight!!

November 30, 2012, 08:41 AM
So sorry to hear of his woes.

Anybody here know of someone who works with these devices who may be able to assist me in my quest?


November 30, 2012, 10:45 AM
I'm not sorry, you reap what you sow.

November 30, 2012, 02:43 PM
Back to the OP...I'm not sure it does come out. I'd bet it's a single expansion chamber, with the spacer used to stabilize the barrel.

November 30, 2012, 05:04 PM
Many, many years ago, I had a catalog from him. I was impressed with the variety of bolt-action rifles he offered with full suppressors, and that you could send in your own rifle for modifying. Sure glad I never did. I have heard about his "unpleasant" demeanor, and all I've seen his name associated with in years is a .22 converions kit for 1911's that I've heard is junk.

Sounds very much like a certain scumbag in Colorado Springs.

November 30, 2012, 06:24 PM
Many of his suppressors were never meant to be disassembled, so that could be part of the problem.

Prince Yamato
December 1, 2012, 11:04 AM
Look up "Stalking Rhino Industries" or SRI. They work on old suppressors and fixing suppressor issues.

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