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JO JO
November 23, 2012, 07:45 PM
anyone use the rcbs range master 750 digital scale ? are the any good ?
I use a redding beam now and was thinking of adding a digital scale with a cost
around $100 tried and not so happy with the hornady gs 1500

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robMaine
November 23, 2012, 08:44 PM
I have one and I am happy. I have noticed I have to re-zero it sometimes after removing the pan, dumping the powder and putting the pan back on. But that might be user error...

Mike 27
November 24, 2012, 12:21 AM
I have the Hornady LNL bench scale and I think it was about 85 bucks and it works great. Had it for a year or so with no issues.

moonzapa
November 24, 2012, 12:56 AM
I use the RCBS Chargemaster combo with dispenser. I like it a lot. I've checked it against a PACT electronic scale and it has been spot on accurate. The combo dispenser works well except for when using large grain powder, but hasn't been an issue with me. If you just want a good electronic scale, check out PACT. I've had mine for 9 years and it still is accurate and dependable.

ArchAngelCD
November 24, 2012, 12:58 AM
tried and not so happy with the hornady gs 1500
What's wrong with the Hornady GS1500 scale? I have one, is there something I should be looking out for? :confused:

ColtPythonElite
November 24, 2012, 01:02 AM
Been using a Pact BBK for over 15 years with no complaints.

JO JO
November 24, 2012, 03:15 AM
with my gs 1500 the issue I had was with a 6gr paper clip I have it would show
5.9/6.1/6.3/6.2/ on four back to back weigh ins and on my beam it weighs 6.0 gr
every time. I dont have much experience with digital scales hopping to find one
more consistent or is this a normal thing for digital

thump_rrr
November 24, 2012, 06:42 AM
I purchased the RCBS Chargemaster combo for $290.00 if you purchase another $10.00 worth of RCBS products you get a $50.00 mail in rebate which can go up to $75 if you have some other proofs of purchase.

Once you have one you will love it.
If it were me I'd save up and take the plunge.

FROGO207
November 24, 2012, 08:15 AM
All the higher end electronic scales seem to work reasonably well according to those that use them here. However a word of caution to those that would not spend the money to get "better" scale either beam or electronic. I have tried several inexpensive digital scales that have had serious issues with repeatable accuracy as well as turning off to save the battery often. They all will weigh a known check weight with acceptable results but to do it repeatably like for measuring charges in a pistol with Bullseye for an hour, just forget it.:banghead: What I have spent on a variety of cheap ones would have purchased any of the expensive ones and left cash for other things to spare.

Blue68f100
November 24, 2012, 09:26 AM
I have the RM750 for over 5 yrs now. It has been very reliable and accurate. I do turn in on hrs before use for it to warm up and stabilize. This is required for all electronic scales for repeatability and zero stability. Mine is located on a shelf that is not attached to my reloading bench so any press shake does not impact it. I have since been looking at scales that have a 0.02gr resolution. If your reloading 380's or any powder charges that are <4gr it may be something you want to consider. Look at to see what % 0.1gr is on your charge and you will find the answer but in most all reloading cases the finer resolution is not needed.

dragon813gt
November 24, 2012, 01:41 PM
Look at a PACT DPPS. $130 and as much of it as possible is made in the US. It's also reliable and repeatable. In the same price range is the Gempro 250. You can pick them up on Amazon. I have not tried one, yet, but have seen a lot of good reviews. There is also a PACT BBK for $90. Has the option of running on AC which is how I would use it. The battery powered ones are garbage. There are plenty of people that will tell me I'm wrong. But I've bought and tested almost every digital scale marketed to a Reloader. Most of them failed miserably.


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gamestalker
November 24, 2012, 05:36 PM
Electronic scales will do OK when working with heavier powder charges, but as someone already mentioned, handgun target loads are going to give you plus and minus readings that will drive you crazy. And consider then the power saver mode shutting you off making re-zeroing a must, the warm up necessary, all elements I do not have to worry about with a beam scale. I have a GS1500 and have only used it a couple of times, the only couple of times it will probably ever get used unless my 5-10 ever gets stolen.

GS

LightningMan
November 24, 2012, 06:05 PM
I have a RCBS RangeMaster 750, and I like it, but will only use it with the plug-in outlet adapter that comes with it. Its because I had more problems getting to zero out when using the battery. Even with using an outlet, if you plug it in "cold" (haven't used in a while), it can take a few tries getting to stay zero'ed, as it will drift on you. If you let it sit for a bit after plugging it in, and turning it on, then zero it, it will stay zero'ed. At least that's been my experence with it. LM

bob4
November 25, 2012, 09:41 AM
On the less expensive digital: In a word " Don't".
I have been using a MTM digital mini. Up to now it's been OK. Yesterday I noticed my groups opened up quite a bit. When I got home using a 50 gram check weight it was off considerably, -.3+ I think it was. Not enough to be dangerous to me but if someone was working a hot load it may have made a difference. I was adding more than I wanted. Good thing I'm 2.5 under max charge.:what:
In the beginning it jumped right to 50 with a check weight. As time went on it got there slower and slower. Yesterday it didn't make it after watching it for a min. New batteries and it's right on. I don't do mass loads , just 20-25 rifle rounds a week for about 2 mos now, now that I'm closing in on my groups even less. I'll have to tend to agree that using one of these cheapies for lots of loads is probably iffy at best. I say stay clear until you can swing a nicer scale. I will be looking into a new scale real soon. It'll be interesting to compare it to a nice beam.

Blue68f100
November 25, 2012, 09:56 AM
If I was going to buy another set of digital scales it would be these :
https://www.storesonline.com/site/696296/product/GT1251

0.02gr accuracy and has a 30yr warranty.

All std scales have the same accuracy/deviation ±0.1gr even beam. Beam have the advantage of not needing power but they are no more accurate than electronic ones. Scales are the one reloading tool that you do not want to go cheap on. Spend the money and get a good one. Loading rifle cartridges a ±0.1gr deviation has no impact, error is too low. If your loading a small pistol case that has only 3gr of powder that ±0.1gr error (0.2gr) is 6.7% and that's if you think your dead on. Since most charges in those small cases only give you a spread of 0.3gr you get the idea. If your loading max your probably over charged on some.

You also need a set of calibration weights to check ALL Scales. With these weights your hands should never touch them. The oils form your skin will change the weight.

JO JO
November 25, 2012, 12:37 PM
maybe its best to stick with my redding beam scale, just thought rcbs range master
750 on sale for 109.00 would be worth it I might hold off

7mmb
November 25, 2012, 07:37 PM
I upgraded to the 750 from my RCBS 505 beam scale about five years ago and love it. I plug it in and leave it on so I never need to worry about warm up or losing zero, it doesn't have an auto shut down when plugged in. Yesterday I double checked it against the 505 with several different weights (check weights, cases, bullets) and it is still spot on. It's much faster than a beam scale. For checking powder I don't remove the pan. I throw into an empty case and then dump into the pan. It stays very accurate that way. Don't put off getting one. Once you get one you won't know what you did without it.

budman46
November 26, 2012, 01:41 PM
digital scales use load cells; pressure vs. strain determines weight displayed. more expensive usually means more reliable, not more accurate.

i worked with digitals in my laboratory for over 30 yrs; no vendor's digital was inaccurate...all gave the same readings. serviceability, parts availability and company reputation affected price, not accuracy.

bob4,
sounds like a warm-up/calibration issue to me. a 0.3gr error in 50gr is less than 1% which wouldn't affect your groups as you describe. bench resters use fixed powder measures, loading at the range, which can deviate that much and not ruin groups.

bob4
November 26, 2012, 06:10 PM
bob4,
sounds like a warm-up/calibration issue to me. a 0.3gr error in 50gr is less than 1% which wouldn't affect your groups as you describe. bench resters use fixed powder measures, loading at the range, which can deviate that much and not ruin groups. Could have been me I suppose. Thanks.

KevinR
November 26, 2012, 06:25 PM
RCBS Charge Master 1500
Have to Re-Cal every time it gets turned off. Do not like that, be it seems to be very accurate.

dragon813gt
November 26, 2012, 06:52 PM
The calibration takes about 30 seconds. I don't see it as a problem. I recalibrate every time as insurance that it's reading correctly.


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fguffey
November 27, 2012, 02:51 PM
There are not many scales I do not have, I have one set that was made before the ‘the Internet’, long before the Internet, no poise, no index, I stack (known) weight on one side and off set/balance the two sides by increasing the weight on the other side. Check weights come in a box of 30 pieces.

F. Guffey

KevinR
November 27, 2012, 09:04 PM
The calibration takes about 30 seconds. I don't see it as a problem. I recalibrate every time as insurance that it's reading correctly.


No its not a problem, I just dont like it.

10 Spot Terminator
November 28, 2012, 08:23 AM
I LOVE my 750 . Like 7mmb I too have had mine for appx 6 years and leave it plugged in 24/7 and have yet had to recalibrate it. Just last week I checked it again ( for the umpteenth time ) against my 5-0-5 beam scale and it was dead on. As with all digital scales it is important that it sets on a very solid platform away from any air flow influance from the HVAC system or a fan etc. They say heat and cold van effect the readings on digital scales but at temps from a low of near 60 degrees to a high of near 85 degrees I have not had an issue, here again using the beam scale to check. Great piece of equipment and RCBS service dept. ROCKS should you ever have an issue .

Taurus 617 CCW
November 28, 2012, 08:29 AM
I upgraded from a Lee balance beam scale to a Frankford Arsenal digital pocket scale as an intermediate step until I could afford a full size scale. I have been using that little scale for the last four years and have done over a thousand rifle cases with it. It is still on the original battery and has been 100% reliable. I had planned on purchasing a Dillon D-Terminator eventually but the Frankford Arsenal has done so well that I'm not so sure I want to switch anymore.

budman46
November 28, 2012, 09:49 AM
i'll keep a beam balance as insurance, but i use inexpensive digitals exclusively. my check weight is a speer 52 gr match hollow-point bullet.

RandyP
November 28, 2012, 10:43 AM
I have no negative issues to report with my MTM DS1250 mini digital - found one online a couple years ago for about $30. I buy my button batteries from an outfit on flea-bay for pennies apiece so changing to fresh ones often is no problem or cost.

This digital is 'accurate enough' for MY needs - namely mid range plinking loads using only Win 231/HP-38 and plated or FMJ bullets. That and the digital screen is much easier on my tired old eyes.

Will the various models of affordable (under $40) scales -probably all made in the same factory in China where the digital calipers come from - be the right choice for all reloaders? Of course not - even if they were there will always be those folks with the financial means to own the very best - and good on 'em. But they are IMHO a good choice for a lot of us.

I keep my incredibly accurate Lee balance beam on my bench should I wish to verifiy the digital scale, but several tests show the digital to be just fine and again for my needs 'accurate enough'.

Whacked
December 2, 2012, 02:31 AM
The oils form your skin will change the weight.
Work has a mess of scales of different precision and weight limits that must be calibrated yearly to keep certifications.
Last time we had them calibrated, I noticed the operator/owner did not use gloves when handling the calibration weights. I asked him about that because I heard about the hand oil on weights bit. His reply is that for 40 years of doing this near daily, it has not had any impact on his calibration weights and yes, he must have his weights calibrated by an outside source too. Mind you, this is for Laboratory equipment of various kinds.
So unless you drop the calibration weights or otherwise change the mass of the weights (i.e. chip it) you don't have anything to worry about.

thump_rrr
December 2, 2012, 07:39 AM
One scale that I am curious about is the Jennings Mack 20.
It has .02 grain resolution , a 300 grain capacity, a cost of around $70, and it comes with an AC power adapter.

idoono
December 2, 2012, 09:14 PM
+1 for the 750. Leave it plugged in/on and you should be OK. I keep mine covered when not in use.

Idoono

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