Looking for a tough .357" bullet for a 357max carbine.


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R.W.Dale
November 23, 2012, 11:17 PM
That's maximum not magnum. Velocities will be 2400fps + for 158g bullets around 21oo for 180g projectiles.

I know there's a 35 caliber ssp from hornady but they're not cheap and have a pretty poor BC even compared to handgun profile bullets. What I want is a close to $20 a box .357" bullet between 158 and 180g tougher than your average jhp.

What do we know about the 158g xtp flat point, or some of the sierra jsp's?




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suemarkp
November 23, 2012, 11:39 PM
Have you ever tried anything for the 35 Remington? You're in that velocity and performance range, but I don't know if a 358 bullet will chamber OK. If not, you could try to run them through a 357 resizer. You should be able to find cheap bullets for a 35 Rem. If you only want to spend $20/box, I hope you're thinking boxes of 50.

cfullgraf
November 23, 2012, 11:50 PM
Speer used to have, may still have, a 357 Magnum load data in their manual for the 180 grain spire point 35 caliber rifle bullet. There was no special work was done on the bullet.

Over all cartridge length was a bit of an issue particularly in revolvers but I have slept since I looked at that manual. I think it was Speer #9 or #10 circa 1980 or so.

So, the 35 caliber rifle bullets may be a source to consider for 357 Maximum.

R.W.Dale
November 23, 2012, 11:50 PM
, I hope you're thinking boxes of 50.

No per100

35 caliber rifle bullet prices have quite honestly skyrocketed beyond the realm of being realistic.





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Certaindeaf
November 24, 2012, 12:07 AM
Try a hardcast gas checked Keith SWC or a flat point.. about 170 grains.
Most anything jacketed lead, the lead is dead soft. In a hard cast lead slug, the whole thing is quite hard and tough.

joneb
November 24, 2012, 02:33 AM
I would give the Hornady XTP/FP a try.
http://www.hornady.com/store/38-Cal-.357-158-gr-FP-XTP/

Steelworker
November 24, 2012, 07:29 AM
Midsouth has 180gr SSP BLEM bullets on sale now. 9.99/100. They shoot fine.

steveno
November 24, 2012, 08:02 AM
try the Speer 180 grain rifle bullet. at one time you could get the Remington 150 gr pointed corelokt for the 35 Remington. I don't know if that bullet is offered any more. both of these bullets are .358 but I never had any problems with them in a TC 14 inch barrel.

buck460XVR
November 24, 2012, 10:03 AM
According to this, the .357 XTP-FPs are good to about 1800 fps.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/underrated_hornady_XTP.jpg

Fatelvis
November 24, 2012, 10:45 AM
The Hornady 180XTP is the most accurate in both my Maximums. But I have been having good luck working up a load with the 215grn Lyman 358627GC.

RhinoDefense
November 24, 2012, 11:03 AM
180gr WFN is my vote.

Boxhead
November 24, 2012, 11:15 AM
This.

http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=526

poco loco
November 24, 2012, 12:59 PM
Lyman 358156 cast hard and gas checked.

Large meplat and they seem to do very well with full throttle w296 loads in a Magnum carbine, very minimal leading sized properly and good accuracy.

R.W.Dale
November 24, 2012, 01:29 PM
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=002853505B100

Many thanks to a fellow poster for sending me a hot tip on the bullet I needed at an astonishing price.

I've got 8 boxes coming. :D




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Captcurt
November 24, 2012, 02:15 PM
If you want something besides the xtp you might try the Nosler Partition. I would bet money that they will withstand the Max.

Fatelvis
November 24, 2012, 04:28 PM
HOLY COW!!!! R.W I had to get 500 of those too!

Boxhead
November 24, 2012, 05:42 PM
That is not a "tough" bullet.

Fatelvis
November 24, 2012, 05:47 PM
That is not a "tough" bullet.
Agreed, but it might be great for silhouettes and mighty cheeeap!

R.W.Dale
November 24, 2012, 06:49 PM
That is not a "tough" bullet.

It is at 357 maximum speeds compared to 357 magnum revolver bullets. These are designed with maximum and 35 rem single shots in mind

In a 35 caliber rifle cartridge no not so much.




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Fatelvis
November 24, 2012, 06:52 PM
What manufacturer's blems? I thought Hornady stopped making them awhile ago.

R.W.Dale
November 24, 2012, 07:03 PM
What manufacturer's blems? I thought Hornady stopped making them awhile ago.

Hornady I presume being a SSP

Midway still lists these bullets new production

At $30 per 100




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Steelworker
November 25, 2012, 10:41 AM
Midsouth doesnt advertise the bullet's maker in the blem section. I've weighed and mic'd the bullets and they are spot on. I think its a good deal. You will have to modify or buy a seater plug for these, otherwise you will deform the soft point.

Certaindeaf
November 25, 2012, 11:09 AM
Won't those get bunged up in the magazine tube?

R.W.Dale
November 25, 2012, 12:38 PM
Won't those get bunged up in the magazine tube?

What magazine tube?




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Certaindeaf
November 25, 2012, 12:43 PM
I don't know. What carbine do you have?

Fatelvis
November 25, 2012, 12:45 PM
You will have to modify or buy a seater plug for these
Yikes, I didnt think about that! How do you go about making one?

R.W.Dale
November 25, 2012, 01:23 PM
I don't know. What carbine do you have?


a rolling block magnum and a TC encore maximum




Yikes, I didnt think about that! How do you go about making one?


Since I use Lee dies I'm pretty sure I can just swap out with a pointy bullet seater plug from another set of dies.



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Certaindeaf
November 25, 2012, 01:52 PM
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Copy that. Why'd you buy .358's when you were asking for .357's? That opens it up considerably.

R.W.Dale
November 25, 2012, 01:57 PM
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Copy that. Why'd you buy .358's when you were asking for .357's? That opens it up considerably.

Because of the price. I use the two diameters interchangeably in a platform that can shoot longer bulletd

Most of the time .358" bullets cost close to twice what their .357" counterparts do. To put this in perspective I ordered ssp's half what xtp's cost.

In retrospective I may not shoot too many of these in the rolling block with its .355" bore but they'll be the bees knees for the encore.




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Steelworker
November 25, 2012, 07:12 PM
I had a friend with a lathe "open up" an extra swc seater plug that I had laying around. Hopefully a buddy of yours has a lathe and can help you out. Just be sure to take him a sample bullet so he knows what the plug should look like.

WVRJ
November 25, 2012, 08:27 PM
Thanks a ton,Boxhead.I've been looking for the 180 gr Partitions for a long time.Nosler seems to have dropped them,and I love what they do out of my 1894CP in 357 mag.Made my day!

R.W.Dale
November 26, 2012, 02:14 AM
Looks like I'm set on a seater die.

I had forgotten about a set of scratched (size die) Pacific durachrome I had retired awhile back. The seated with this set has a wadcutter plug and two others for different profile bullets both of wich are hollow with different bevels inside that will seat spitzers just fine.

Now I need do procure a few more maximum cases than the 15 I have currently preferably without getting hosed on shipping and handling for one bag o brass from somethingusa.com






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Steelworker
November 30, 2012, 08:39 AM
Did your bullets show up yet? What did you think of them?

Fatelvis
November 30, 2012, 11:26 AM
My Horn 180SSP bullets showed up at my doorstep yesterday. All 5 bags of 100 look great! I can't figure out why they were seconds, other than they might not be as shiny as they "perfect" ones. Over 66% off? Certainly worth it!

R.W.Dale
November 30, 2012, 01:48 PM
My 800 arrived yesterday and I agree, why these are seconds is not readily evident.




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Woody402
November 30, 2012, 02:52 PM
Speer hot core .357 bullets are also a really good bullets. Built tough should withstand max velocity.

Walkalong
November 30, 2012, 06:30 PM
My 300 look great as well. I packed them up for a rainy day.

R.W.Dale
December 1, 2012, 03:46 PM
Bullets load great and seat with very little variance in COL

Look for a load report to be forthcoming soon.

175604



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el indio
December 1, 2012, 06:10 PM
did you look at cast performance 180 gr wfngc. there are hardened lead with a gas check. i shoot them in my blackhawk and they are quite accurate.

witchhunter
December 9, 2012, 02:05 AM
You might try a Sierra 180 Flat Point Jacketed silhouette bullet in .357. They shoot great in my .357 maximum contender.

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