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LUCKYDAWG13
November 23, 2012, 11:37 PM
hello i just got back from my LGS and they had a sweet little gun
a kimber solo in 9mm ok im not rich but this is a nice little gun
what i want to know is this worth it $750 ish or would a kahr cw9
be just as good and about $250. less. i want a smaller pistol that i can
just shoot a lot goes bang all the time and like to eat cast bullets and
be a good carry gun
thanks

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skt239
November 23, 2012, 11:47 PM
Do a google search on the Solo. They are very ammo specific and may not meet your requirements.

smalls
November 23, 2012, 11:52 PM
Did Kimber resume manufacturing of the Solo? I thought they halted production until design flaws were fixed.

LUCKYDAWG13
November 24, 2012, 12:00 AM
thanks i see what you mean that might not work with cast well you
think for the price it would eat anything you feed it. so what about
the kahr cw9 is this a good pistol

bdejong11129
November 24, 2012, 01:41 AM
I can tell you that the new ones are not ammo specific. While they recommend the use of 147gr my friend has been feeding his a steady diet of 115gr hand loads and it eats them all without a single failure. Of course it likes all kinds of 147gr bullets as well.

Brian

Disclaimer-this is my opinion and yours may vary.

BamAlmighty
November 24, 2012, 03:28 PM
Sig P938... cheaper and a lot better pistol in many ways. Eats anything I put through, SA trigger, slightly slimmer, better sights, and a company that will stand behind their product unlike Kimber only offering a 1 year warranty.

C0untZer0
November 24, 2012, 06:39 PM
The PM9/CM9 eats almost anything you feed it.

If you want a "smaller" pistol, the Solo is on the large side of the pocket nines:



I'm getting a Rohrbaugh R9 - it is a picky eater and partial to Gold Dots in general, but once you've found something it likes, it's reliable with that ammo.

I've read too many stories of people having problems with a Solo - people who really wanted to love the pistol but got frustrated with it, and Kimber.

Do a little Googling and you'll turn up their stories.

Rohrbaugh R9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.9in
Length:5.2in
Height:3.7in
Weight:13.5oz
Capacity:6+1 Rounds

Kahr PM9 / CM9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.1in
Length: 5.42in
Height: 4.0in
Slide Width: .90in
Weight: Pistol 14 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Capacity: 6+1

Kahr MK9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.0in
Length: 5.3in
Height: 4.0in
Slide Width: .90in
Weight: Pistol 22.1 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Capacity: 6+1

The Boberg is taller height wise but shorter OAL:

Boberg XR9-S (Shorty)
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.35in
Length:5.1in
Height:4.2in
Width: .96in
Weight:17.5oz
Capacity:7+1 Rounds

Diamondback DB9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.0in
Length:5.60in
Height: 4.0in
Width:0.80in
Weight:11oz
Capacity:6+1 Rounds

SIG SAUER P290
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.9in
Length: 5.5in
Height: 3.9in
Width: 0.9in - 1.1in w/slide catch
Weight: 20.5 ounces w/magazine
Capacity: 6+1

Kimber Solo
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:2.7in
Length:5.5in
Height:3.9in
Width: 1.2in
Weight:17oz
Capacity:6+1 Rounds

Beretta Nano
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.07in
Length: 5.63in
Height: 4.17in
Width: .90in
Weight: 17.67 ounces
Capacity: 6+1

Ruger LC9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.12in
Length: 6.0in
Height: 4.5in
Slide Width: .90in
Weight: 17.10 ounces
Capacity: 7+1

Glock 26
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.46in
Length:6.29in
Height:4.17in
Weight:19.75 oz w/o magazine
Capacity:10+1 Rounds

Esoxchaser
November 24, 2012, 06:52 PM
Had a Solo. Sold it for pennies on the dollar to someone familiar with it's history of issues. (And thats a long list). Couldn't see representing it as a PD weapon to anyone, I could never live with myself if they got themselves killed thinking they had functional personal protection in their hand. The guy I sold it to made it into a doorstop for his shop after mounting it in a solid polyurethane block. I bought a Sig P938 that has been flawless. Everybody is happy. Almost. I will just never, ever buy another Kimber.

MedWheeler
November 24, 2012, 07:50 PM
CountZer0, I noticed you placed the Diamondback DB9 on that list, with some company it typically doesn't run with. In that light, the Kel-Tec PF9 is noticeably absent..

Edit: your return to the thread to add the PF9 and the SCCY entries (the CPX-2 is a promising-looking gun so far) has been noticed..

LUCKYDAWG13
November 24, 2012, 08:09 PM
well i looked at of them i think in the past week i see a kahr mk9 in my future
thank you all

Plan2Live
November 24, 2012, 08:35 PM
I dry fired several Kahrs in local Gun Stores and at local Gun Shows and didn't like the trigger. I shot an MK9 on the range and loved the trigger. The Kahr is on my short list of guns to buy for my beginner handgun classes. I think it is a much better choice than a S&W Airweight and want to offer it for side by side comparison with the Airweight and let the students decide.

bdejong11129
November 24, 2012, 08:58 PM
I know it flopped when it first came out but the new ones are fantastic. I have shot several of them and they have performed flawlessly. One was right out of the box, no break in at all and it has been that way every time my friend shoots it. Don't dismiss it because of troubles with version one. I pocket carry a Sig p238 and the trigger on the solo is much nicer. It was surprisingly good for a striker gun. If they could get that feel in the glock I would love them even more.

Brian

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C0untZer0
November 25, 2012, 12:04 AM
Some other sub-compacts:

Kel Tec PF-9
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.1in
Length:5.85in
Height:4.3in
Weight:12.7 oz w/o magazine
Capacity:7+1 Rounds

SCCY CPX 1 & 2 (gen 2)
Caliber:9mm
Barrel:3.1in
Length:5.7in
Height:4in
Width:1in
Weight:15 oz w/o magazine
Capacity:10+1 Rounds

I'm not sure about the SCCY being just an inch wide - I think that's not counting the controls...




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bannockburn
November 25, 2012, 09:47 AM
I have tried a number of small 9mms, including a KelTec PF-9, Beretta Nano, and Glock 26, and went with a Kahr CM9 because it had a great DA trigger and it felt the best in my hand, compared to the others. Have not had a chance to try out a Solo but probably wouldn't have gone with one given its cost and early problems. Might still look into a SIG P938 (wasn't out at the time I bought my Kahr), as I really like my SIG P238.

flatlander937
November 25, 2012, 10:37 AM
I second the CM9... I was originally looking for a CW9 but ended up with a CM9 and an additional 7rd extended magazine... turned out to work great because I can make the grip bigger/smaller as my clothing dictates.

Only ammo I've found it doesn't like is Federal 115gr FMJ, it gets caught under the feed ramp due to the OAL + bullet nose design(it's very "pointy" compared to other FMJ ammo of the same and similar weights). This only occurs on my 7rd mag because the additional round doesn't have quite as great support for the top round.

WWB 115gr , Aguilla 115 and 124gr, Magtech 115gr, Wolf 115gr, Remington 115gr JHP are all fine and I've shot 100+ of each through JUST my 7rd magazine to ensure they don't have the same problems I had with the Federal.

340PD
November 25, 2012, 11:11 AM
I have seen a lot of Solo's come into the our range. Most are very ammo fussy. Shoot one before you buy one. They are not for everybody. I have, and can recommend, both the Kahr PM9 with it's long smooth trigger, it is very similar to a DA revolver action, and a S&W Shield, with a more traditional striker fired trigger system. Both are very nice, small, reliable carry guns that I would buy before I would invest in the Solo. Just my 2

scaatylobo
November 25, 2012, 11:52 AM
I own a Kimber solo

A Kahr PM40

A Rorghbaugh R-9

All three are NOT fun to shoot,and I am a shooter that goes throgh about 2000 centerfire rounds per year just for my S/D guns.

I might also add that I am now 65 and cannot abide the same recoil that I did 10 or more years ago.BIG difference and I cannot express that in words alone.

I have had problems with the Kahr and they were AMAZING in their response and both sending me shipping and the return of it to me = AMAZING.

I generally only carry the 3 above as BUG's.

But I can shoot all three fairly well [ shoot a qual of 50 rounds for the HR218 yearly ].

My play on the R-9 is that is the largest FEELING of the 3 and I am most likely to sell that off first.

I also own a Glock 27 and I am sorry that I did not get the 26 instead as I now [ a decade later ] feel the .40 S&W recoil more than the 9MM or the .45ACP.

PX15
November 25, 2012, 12:02 PM
JMOfartO:

My favorite pistols are sub-compact 9MM..

I've had several, but the one I prefer the best, now, is the Kahr CM9.

This is my first Kahr, and it won't be my last.

SWEET trigger, feels good in the hand, and small enough to conceal in a back pocket (if you have big back pockets). :D

I had a Ruger LC9 before the Kahr and it was a good little pistol, but the trigger pull was from Atlanta to LasVegas long.

I gave it to my adult Grandson after I bought my Kahr.

Check 'em out.

J.

hariph creek
November 25, 2012, 12:39 PM
I recently settled on a two-tone Sig P290RS. Paid $493, shipped, from FIREARMS4YOU(sp?).
TOP GUN SUPPLY is having even better deals for Cyber Monday.

The Solo is a nice looking gun. It seems that it wasn't meant to be shot allot, and tears itself apart. Much like the Rorbaugh and Diamondback. I have no use for a gun like that.

The Kahr is a tested and proved design. Their polymer guns have never felt good in my hands, though. If it fits you, I'd say it's a viable option. I think it's the "Yard Stick" by which to compare this class of gun.

I really like the Sig P938. However, one of the features I wanted for this type of gun is smooth and snag free.

The Shield is great, good price too, of you can find one. Just a bit bigger than I want.

The KelTec? Had one, never again!

I'm glad I settled on the P290RS. It's at the heavy side for one of these sub-micro-compact-itty-bitty nines. This helps make it very shootable. It is not to heavy for pocket carry but, doesn't hurt your hand to put a couple hundred consecutive rounds through.
I've put 200rds of various FMJ, 80rds Gold Dot Short Barrel, and 200rds of my handloads through (125gr TC Moly-coat lead from Bear Creek Supply). Not a single problem, no issues.
The trigger on the RS (ReSet) variant is very much like a double action revolver, only a bit lighter. I've been carrying snubs for years, so it is an easy transition.
It's sturdy, shoots bigger than it is, and conceals smaller than it shoots. I like it!

C0untZer0
November 25, 2012, 05:35 PM
The are quite a few Rohrbaugh owners who've owned and shot their R9s since 2004 and the guns haven't shaken themselves apart.

You'll find people who have been shooting them on a weekly and monthy basis for for 7 years and the guns haven't cracked or broken.

They've just changed the recoil spirngs when needed.

elde
November 25, 2012, 05:55 PM
I've personally been shooting my Rohrbaugh R9 for four years once a month or so about 30 rounds per trip. I change out the recoil springs as per factory procedure, every 200 rounds or so ($4.95ea).....and guess what? It hasn't "torn itself apart" yet. BTW, anyone who would compare a Rohrbaugh to a Diamondback deserves to own a Diamondback.

CZ57
November 25, 2012, 08:19 PM
LUCKYDAWG13, have you looked at the S&W Shield? It is an excellent pistol for CC, big enough for range shooting and you should be able to shoot any type load you want to through it. It is also considerably less expensive than the Solo. ;)

LUCKYDAWG13
November 25, 2012, 09:45 PM
no i dint look at the shield yet i will see if they have one before i
put down on the kahr

TarDevil
November 25, 2012, 09:45 PM
I've been anxious to find someone here who has experience with the P290RS. It's on my short list for sure, now!

460Kodiak
November 26, 2012, 04:35 PM
That sounds over priced by about $50.

Take a look at the Springfield XDs before you jump.

MedWheeler
November 26, 2012, 10:41 PM
Elde writes (about the Rohrbaugh):

I change out the recoil springs as per factory procedure, every 200 rounds or so.

Every 200 rounds!? :what: Is that what they really recommend, or did you mean 2000? That's more often than once every two sessions for me and my Kel-Tec.

hariph creek
November 27, 2012, 11:42 AM
I apologize for the assertion that the R9 "tears itself apart." I also would not actually compare it, quality wise, to the DB9. However I stand by my belief that neither was meant to be shot allot. Not only will the DB9 fail to stand up to extended shooting (as stated by the manufacturer), unlike the R9 (with very frequent spring changes). Neither is very pleasant to stay proficient with.
Tiny is great. For me, personally, I want something with real sights. Something that can be shot allot, without hurting me or the gun. 200rds is the start of a good day's shooting. This is however, just my opinion. I am only relating my parameters for selection. I do not mean to disparage or negate anyone else's choice.
We all have to find our "comfort zone."

Just One Shot
November 27, 2012, 12:14 PM
If you are paying $500.00 for a CW9 you are paying too much. Here in Ohio I see them on sale regularly for $369.00-$379.00. In fact, there's a gun store in Findlay that sells the Kimber two tone for $659.00 that comes out to $701.84 with tax. Might be a good idea to shop around to see if you can find a better deal.

The_Armed_Therapist
November 27, 2012, 03:26 PM
Just a heads up... but if you're looking at a CW9 that's only $250 less than a $750 Solo, don't buy it. Keep looking! You can pick up a new CW for $350...

The_Armed_Therapist
November 27, 2012, 03:27 PM
If you are paying $500.00 for a CW9 you are paying too much. Here in Ohio I see them on sale regularly for $369.00-$379.00. In fact, there's a gun store in Findlay that sells the Kimber two tone for $659.00 that comes out to $701.84 with tax. Might be a good idea to shop around to see if you can find a better deal.

Didn't see this until I submitted mine, rendering my post irrelevant. :cool:

Babarsac
November 27, 2012, 05:27 PM
I think the Kahr's are a very good deal for the money when compared to the Kimber Solo. Since I have a HK P7 I'm set in the CCW department. If you see a deal on the P7 that would be my 1st choice to buy. Other than that check out the Kahr lineup.

Or dare I suggest a wheelgun :D

Storm
November 27, 2012, 05:40 PM
The Kimber Solo seems like a slick gun but its teething problems ruled it out for me.

That said, the gun that I did pick, the SIG P290, also started out with some teething problems but has since become a favorite. My gun, manufactured in March 2011 was one of the earlier ones with a trigger issue. After 35 rounds the hammer would not fall to make contact with the firing pin. SIG sent a label and the turnaround was lightning fast. The trigger was fixed and upgraded also with a new mag release installed. The new trigger was noticeably lighter and smoother than the original. The gun has been flawless since. I should add that this is the original non-reset (RS) trigger. That doesn't matter to me as my training is tap-rack. Plus, if need be, the trigger can be reset with a minimal rearward movement of the slide of about 2mm. While I don't recommend that, it would be a viable option except being one requiring relatively fine motor skills. I would also note that some have commented that the older non-RS upgraded trigger is somewhat smoother and lighter than the current RS trigger, but I can't confirm that through any experience. Nevertheless, folks seem very happy with the RS. SIG did add a bit of a beavertail to the RS and seems to have included a bit more of a fingertip to the mag floor plate. I'm not sure what that improved as slide bite really isn't an issue and that mag floor plate doesn't look to me like it would improve grip. The pinky is still going to go under the mag. Increasing overall dimensions on a sub carry gun without a considerable payback seems questionable, but who knows?

As to size, the 290 is very deceiving. If you look at its dimensions listed above it is one of the smaller pistols in its class. It is much smaller than you would think if you just picked it up in a gun shop. Being short and rather stumpy gives the 290 the illusion that the gun is bigger than it really is. In a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster the gun carries extremely well in cargo pants pocket. The gun is on the heavy side but with the right holster the gun is forgotten. I have seen some reviewers criticize the gun as being too big, or not needing to be that big, and I have no idea what the heck they are talking about. In every dimension that a carry gun matters it is pretty doggone minimal in size. Weight continues to be an issue for pocket carry, but the right holster solves that issue for the most part.

The P290 is accurate for its purpose, and then some. At least it's accurate enough for me. The gun has the same basic sights that you would find on a P220. The optional eight round extended mag is a big bonus. I haven't worked much with it yet but would only expect handling and accuracy to improve.

SIG shot themselves in the foot releasing this one too early for general consumption which has lead to a rocky start and a gun that is now a real sleeper. My experience is that it deserves much more respect and consideration. Sorry to go on like this but SIG seems to be releasing so many subcompacts at once that the P290 gets left in the dust when it could/should be leading the pack.

One other gun mentioned is one that I liked quite a lot, but not enough to keep. The Kel PF9 is one that I shot well and found to be well sized for its task. I found it accurate and reliable but had overall concerns about its durability over a span of years. I traded it away to pay for part of my Walther PPS, a gun which is in a class by itself.

LUCKYDAWG13
November 27, 2012, 08:46 PM
thanks all by me the Kahr cm9 goes for $425
the sig goes about $625
and the solo $700
oh ya the used Kahr mk9 $ 599

hariph creek
November 28, 2012, 02:34 PM
I got my P290RS, with laser, for $493, shipped. I'm seeing better deals, now, if you look around.
I feel I'm hijacking this thread. I'll bump my review I did a few weeks ago.

hardluk1
November 29, 2012, 04:55 PM
LGS price for a CW9 Kahr is right around $375 dollars and is also a top choice.
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-CW9.asp

Don't over look a KT p11-
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/p-11/

Trad Archer
November 29, 2012, 08:57 PM
Had one, thought it was the biggest piece of junk I ever had. A complete jammo-matic.:cuss::banghead::cuss::banghead:

C0untZer0
December 1, 2012, 09:03 PM
For a while the P7M8 was the smallest production nine available.

I have a P7M8 and while I think it's a supurb gun, I want a pocket pistol now and I'm getting a Rohrbaugh R9.

Nasty
December 2, 2012, 09:52 AM
I bought a DB9 two months ago almost as a lark...what a surprise it has been.

Several hundred rounds through it so far...no problems whatsoever. FWIW, the maker does not say it has a limited life and there are no scheduled spring replacements. They *do* say to restrict to 124 gr and lighter and no P+. I can live with that.

Target below is 75 rounds rapid fire at 20 yards offhand.

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/raynewton/Photobucket/db9x75rdp.jpg

RH45
December 2, 2012, 10:53 AM
I have either handled, or owned all of the pistols mentioned, and yes, there were a lot of issues with the early Kimber Solos, but, I bought one earlier this year because, at the time, it was the only little 9mm that Crimson Trace offered a lazer grip for.
I think I've only put about 1K through mine so far, and with quality ammo, it has run 100%, and is one of my favorite carry guns.

C0untZer0
December 2, 2012, 01:41 PM
I said the same thing about the DB9, I don't recall seeing where Kimber acknowledged a design problem or announced any change to the Solo.

What would make the buying public think that the pistols are different now than they were a year ago?

Nasty
December 2, 2012, 05:40 PM
As stated in the other post...DB did add a third trigger pin.. Changes have been made.

RH45
December 2, 2012, 07:56 PM
Although Kimber didn't announce any changes to the Solo, that I'm aware of, all you have to do is search for reviews, and you'll see positive reviews in the last 10-12 months, and very few, if any, negative reviews on the newer pistols.

exdetsgt
December 2, 2012, 10:39 PM
About six months ago I bought a Beretta Nano. As it has better sights and a smoother trigger than my Kahr CW9, I sold the Kahr. The Beretta is actually fun to shoot and doesn't punish your hand like most small 9's. I have approximately 500 rounds through it and not a single malfunction. It is now my EDC. I also have a Glock 26, but prefer the narrowness of the Beretta.

I said the Nano was now my EDC, but last week I picked up a Smith&Wesson Chiefs Special Model 36-1 J-frame. This particular one is an odd bird: it has a 3" barrel and a square butt, rather than the very common 2" barrel and a round butt. Bought it because I had never seen one before. So now I'm alternating EDC with it and the Beretta.

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