Rossi 92 in 45colt as first/only/all purpose rifle


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TennJed
November 24, 2012, 03:59 AM
I grew up hunting on occasion and still do. When I do I have a multitude of family members with land and rifles. I am a handgun fanatic. I love shooting and collecting them. I have just never gotten around to getting a rifle. I have reached to point where I want one and feel I "need" one. (I do have a Ruger 10/22 so the rimfire rifle is covered)

I reload and my favorite caliber is 45 colt. I am considering a Rossi 92 in 45 colt with a 24" barrel. What is everyone's opinon on this as a first rifle. My primary use for all firearms is fun and hobby, but self defense is important. I am pretty sure this gun would be a hoot to shoot, but how do you think it would stack up as an all purpose gun (100-150 yard hunting, self defense, SHTF [ I know those thread are frowned upon, but this would be part of the guns role])

Should I break down and get a AR or AK? I know both of those would have higher capacity and longer ranges.

I am driving myself crazy trying to pick out my christmas present and I keep going back to the Rossi. Already reloading for 45 colt plays a big role in wanting this gun. ARs get a lot of hype and I am sure it is for a good reason.

What are your thoughts?

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langloisandy
November 24, 2012, 07:03 AM
Tenn,

I ran a 45 Colt levergun for YEARS...great cartridge that can be loaded close to 44 mag power factors. You will be well served by it!

Andy

eldon519
November 24, 2012, 07:23 AM
For the uses you described, it sounds like an excellent choice to me. I might have a look at the 20" as well or if you ever plan to put optics on it, the 16". You'll sacrifice a little capacity and a little velocity, but it will be much handier. If you plan to keep iron sights on it, the 20" or 24" would probably be easier to shoot accurately.

USSR
November 24, 2012, 11:48 AM
TennJed,

For the purpose you have outlined, it is hard to find fault with your assessment. Like you, I reload for the .45 Colt and it is my favorite cartridge. Wish I had the where with all to buy a .45LC lever action to join my S&W 25-5.

Don

VA27
November 24, 2012, 11:58 AM
I think you'll be pleased with it. I had one in 454 and it was a little beast! I sold it to my BIL in a fit of madness.

SaxonPig
November 24, 2012, 11:59 AM
For a rifle it will be greatly underpowered. The lowly 30-30 will easily outclass it and most riflemen do not consider the 30-30 to be a powerhouse.

For fun shooting it's great. For defensive purposes at close range it's fine. For hunting large animals (deer?) I think it's marginal at best. Certainly not the best choice.

BTW- There is no "all around rifle." Impossible for one rifle to do everything.

22-rimfire
November 24, 2012, 12:11 PM
It's interesting how hunting deer with a rifle in 45LC is marginal (powerwise), but a great choice with a handgun.

I think the rifle is fine for deer as long as you keep your range under 150 yds, preferably 100 yds. The 30-30 is more powerful and it is mostly considered a 100 yd gun but okay to 150 for sure.

I don't have any experience with the Rossi lever gun. I thought one in 480 Ruger would certainly be an interesting combination.

joecil
November 24, 2012, 12:37 PM
I'm shooting Ranch Dog 290 gr cast bullets over 25.5 gr of Lil'Gun and at up to 100 yards it is hardly a mild load. Ranch Dog developed the bullet for pigs and deer and has taken both with it with a 16" barrel scout version of the 45 Colt by Rossi. I'm shooting them from a 20" octagon barreled Rossi but have not taken any game with them. I prefer ranges inside 100 yards as I don't have a scope but iron sights still on mine. A 30-30 has a bit more range and perhaps power but these are pretty close also. Oh and the bullets are available through http://www.carolinacastbullets.com/45_ACP.html though the mold has been sold out and discontinued but hopefully Lee might pick it up in the future.

snakeman
November 24, 2012, 12:54 PM
If your rossi is a good one that works worth a flip it might do well. I took a dive into the rossi 92 pool a while back and the darn thing never worked. It would not feed ammo! I sent it back to rossi and 8 weeks later I picked it up. It still didn't work! The gun store let me swap it for a winchester 94 angle eject in 30-30 that was never fired. I still haven't even shot that gun but it feeds ammo so it's already a better gun.

USSR
November 24, 2012, 12:59 PM
For a rifle it will be greatly underpowered. The lowly 30-30 will easily outclass it and most riflemen do not consider the 30-30 to be a powerhouse.

Ah, SaxonPig, you've been reading energy tables again.:D A 250+gr .45 caliber bullet traveling at well over 1,000fps kills all out of proportion to the energy table numbers. Personally, I would feel better equipped putting a bigger hole in whatever I am shooting at, since clean through shots on deer-size targets are a given with either the .30-30 or the .45 Colt. While the .30-30 extends the effective range, the OP has limited himself to inside 150 yards which is not a problem with a good .45 Colt rifle. Just MHO.

Don

shafter
November 24, 2012, 05:37 PM
I think that for what you want to use it for you will be well served. I have a Rossi 92 in 357 magnum and I love it. It feeds ANYTHING and has never given me any problems.

If you are ok with keeping your shots at 100 yards or less you will do just fine with 45 Colt. Not to mention 45 Colt is one very easy caliber to reload for. Have you considered the 20'' version? I think it handles the best out of all the configurations.

krupparms
November 24, 2012, 06:15 PM
The Rossi 92 is a good choice for your stated purpose. I have used one &found it to be very able to take deer at 150 yards. We don't get many shots that far around here, most are less than 1/2 that range. The .45 colt knocks them down with no problems at all. Good Gun. Good choice. IMO. :)

SaxonPig
November 24, 2012, 07:46 PM
"It's interesting how hunting deer with a rifle in 45LC is marginal (powerwise), but a great choice with a handgun."

I never said the 45 Colt pistol was good for deer. I think it is not. I said the 45 Colt from a rifle is marginal.

USSR
November 24, 2012, 08:52 PM
I never said the 45 Colt pistol was good for deer. I think it is not. I said the 45 Colt from a rifle is marginal.

Well, I've killed em with 12 gauge slugs, .30-06, and a.357 Magnum (handgun), and nothing outside of a 12 gauge slug put them down so completely as a 265gr LSWCHP out of my S&W 25-5 last year. Empirical data trumps theoretical data every time.;)

Don

Carl N. Brown
November 24, 2012, 09:07 PM
I have a Rossi 92 in 357 magnum and I love it. It feeds ANYTHING and has never given me any problems.
Mine has problems feeding .38 Spl wadcutters. No problems feeding conventional roundnose lead, jacketed softpoint, jacketed hollowpoint. But I did not buy it to shoot wadcutter ammo, come to think of it.

Tarheel59
November 24, 2012, 10:35 PM
I've shot the Rossi 92 in .45 Colt in CAS for 5 or 6 years now... The speed shooters don't really care for it... But I doubt there is a stronger or more trouble free rifle in this class.

The feeding problems are more prevalent in the .38/.357 rifles and it is caused by case OAL. The rifle is designed to handle .357 length cartridges. If you reload .38spl, you can "long load" the .38spl cases and avoid problems as well.

I've never had a problem with mine in .45 or my wife's in .38/.357. The 92 Rossi is more accurate and faster than I am, so I've never seen a reason to change/upgrade.

I have not hunted with it, but I wouldn't hesitate to do so. Shot placement and discipline on distance would be key. The .45 spits out a good sized chunk of lead at a midrange speed. Terminal ballistics are one thing, the rainbow trajectory is another. Personally, I wouldn't push beyond 50-75 yards...

Tarheel59

Saddlebag Preacher
November 24, 2012, 10:41 PM
I have one and am also a .45 fan. The great thing about it is I can hunt with it with LeverEvolution Ammo, buy cheap practice ammo to practice. Take my lee hand loader and the spent brass and, if ammo gets too scarce, I reload with BP or Pyrodex. It makes a great backwoods gun for truck, atv or horse.

SaxonPig
November 24, 2012, 10:50 PM
There's one about the African elephant dropped with one shot from a 22. Empirical proof that the 22 is an elephant gun? IMO at very close range a good 45 Colt load CAN be used for deer. But is it the best choice?

dagger dog
November 24, 2012, 11:40 PM
I own and shoot a Rossi 92 24" 45 Colt, mine was "usable" out of the box, added Steve'sgunz kit, and it slicked up real nice.

You may want to replace the sights, they are a weak copy of what Rossi thinks lever gun sights should be.

Fit and finish is very good as in poor, fair, good, very good, excellent, function as in reliability excellent, you need to keep the cartridge OAL in spec, some semi wad cutter mould designs can get too long and cause problems.

One word of caution, mine has the feed ramp extended into the bottom of the chamber ahead of the cartridge rim, and bulges the brass from not being supported, I have shot some hotter Ruger only loads with no problems,but the brass takes a beating and won't last long .

TennJed
November 25, 2012, 12:41 AM
There's one about the African elephant dropped with one shot from a 22. Empirical proof that the 22 is an elephant gun? IMO at very close range a good 45 Colt load CAN be used for deer. But is it the best choice?
The primary purpose of this gun is not to hunt with. I want this gun to be one that could be used for hunting if need be, but this is more of an all purpose gun. If I wanted strictly a deer gun I would look elsewhere. As stated I have family guns to hunt with.

Thanks for all the info guys. As far as the 24" vs the 20", I assumed the 24" would give me better accuracy and a little longer effective range. If it is just a marginal difference I might go with the 20". What is everyone's opinion on the accuracy and reach difference?

Water-Man
November 25, 2012, 01:09 AM
Negligible for your purposes. Get the 20".

Tarheel59
November 25, 2012, 01:11 AM
I would recommend the 20" over both the 16" and 24".... At 20", you've got a very compact and carry friendly rifle, the magazine will hold 10 rounds, and although I've not chronographed it, I would bet that with most if not all powders - you're getting all available power out of the 45colt. I wouldn't consider the 16" at all and to me the 24" just doesn't balance as well.

BTW, the heavy octagon barrels look nice and swing smooth, but there is a lot of difference in weight and feel. Personally I have a strong preference for the handling characteristics of the round over octagon barrels as well.

Tarheel59

CraigC
November 25, 2012, 01:47 AM
It's mostly a matter of preference. Raw accuracy is not affected but you may shoot it a little more accurately a little more easily because of the added weight and sight radius. Even with the hottest loads, the .45Colt will reach maximum velocity in 18-20". I used to believe all the hype about short, light rifles but since spending the last several years hunting with 10lb rifles, I kinda prefer the longer guns. So the 24" octagon appeals to me most. Although I do admit that probably the 20" carbine would be your best compromise.

wileyjackhammer
November 25, 2012, 02:13 AM
Great gun, the little Rossi model 92 in .45 Colt. I've used one in Cowboy Action Shooting since about 1994. I still use it, now with a 1873 Winchester replica as my main rifle....
I gave one to my grandson in .45 Colt for him to use in Cowboy Shooting, he is 12 years old now. An 1873 Rifle was to long for him to handle at the time.....and the little Rossi never failed me and so far his has worked perfect.
wileyjackhammer

MCgunner
November 25, 2012, 10:58 AM
Prefer the 20" myself, mine being in .357 magnum.

Should I break down and get a AR or AK? I know both of those would have higher capacity and longer ranges.

About the crappiest handling rifles in the field, certainly no match for a good lever gun. Just wrap your hand around the balance point of the gun when walking, or cradle it with no magazines poking you. Thumb the hammer back to shoot, completely ambidextrous...important to a lefty like me. Mine doesn't have the hammer safety all of 'em have, now, and I'd take that off the gun if I had one.

Consider getting the .454 Casull. I kinda want one, not for the .454 Cartridge, I'd probably just shoot .45 Colt in it, but it has a screw in magazine tube follower. One gets home, just takes out the magazine spring/follower and dumps the rounds out of the magazine, then jack the one out of the chamber. The one thing that irritates me about my Rossi, all lever guns, is unloading after the hunt....or walk about or whatever. I'd carry the gun more as a walk about gun, but for the pain of unloading when I get back to the truck. I usually wait to get home so I don't lose rounds in the dirt. And, I usually onlly load 5 so I won't have that many to jack out of it when I get back. THIS, though, also allows me to put several .38s in it and jack up the sight if I see or hear squirrel and want to go after it, so loading the magazine short has a couple of advantages for me.

MCgunner
November 25, 2012, 11:09 AM
Oh, BTW, I prefer the .38/.357 version of the gun to the .45. More versatility. I load a 165 grain keith style SWC over 16.8 grains of Li'l Gun and get nearly 1900 fps. That's light .30-30 territory. The .357 is another beast out of a 20" barrel and I've taken deer at 80 yards quite dead with it. It'll take deer/hog to 100 yards easily and has the accuracy, too. It's making almost 700 ft lbs at 100 yards, so it's like putting the muzzle of my Blackhawk to the hog/deer cause the Blackhawk only makes about 780 ft lbs at the muzzle and I've taken a hog at 60 with that.

Okay, so deer/hog are covered with the .357, I load a 105 grain cast SWC in .38 brass over 2.3 grains of B'eye. It clocks 900 fps and is 1.5" at 50 yards accurate, great squirrel gitter and mimics a .22, little less velocity with more bullet. It also conserves lead and powder when plinking.

The .45 is a might much for squirrel or small game even loaded light. I load .357 and .45 Colt, so that's not an influence, though I load .357 on a progressive and don't have the set up for .45 Colt on a progressive, yet, but I shoot a lot more .38 than anything else.

MCgunner
November 25, 2012, 11:10 AM
double tap

mavracer
November 25, 2012, 02:40 PM
If you handload the '92 action is plenty strong enough to make a 45 Colt enough for any large game out to 75 yards and medium game out to 150 yards easily.
One thing I'll mention is the carbine butt plate on my 16" 44 mag is more comfortable with heavy loads than the cresent rifle butt plate on my 24" 45 Colt..

mgkdrgn
November 26, 2012, 12:23 PM
For your stated purposes you could do a LOT worse, and not a hell of a lot better. Add to that the fact you already reload 45 Colt ...

d2wing
November 27, 2012, 10:02 PM
In my state .357 or .44 mag are the minimums for legal deer hunting if that matters

Walkalong
November 27, 2012, 10:30 PM
Some posts went away.

Please leave the personal stuff out of it and just post your opinions for all to judge for themselves.

No more disparaging remarks aimed at others. Thanks.

cpt-t
November 28, 2012, 12:12 AM
TennJed: I have SS ROSSI in 45 LC with a 20 inch barrel. I have been shooting this little rifle for about 10 years now. Bought it to Cowboy Action with to match my pistols. I reload for the 45 LC and it is one of my favorites. I reload 250 to 255 gr RNFP`s, my rifle feeds them better than SWC`s. I have hunted with this little gun quite a bit and have taken 2 small deer, and several pigs, again nothing above 200 lbs. And all of them under 100 yds. My rifle holds 10 rounds of 45 LC`s & a 20 inch barrel I might have bought a 24 inch barrel but the 20 inch was all they had at the time. I have had no problems whats so ever with my Rossi, and would buy another one. My Son shoots a 24 inch barrel 45 LC in a Marlin lever gun Might check both of them out. Both of these rifles carry and handel like a dream, very fast to shoot with, So I would think they would both make a great self defence gun.
ken

CraigC
November 28, 2012, 01:08 AM
Some posts went away.
A lot of good, relevant, technical information went away too.

warnerwh
November 28, 2012, 02:53 AM
I'm also a handgun person but recently purchased a Rossi .357 16" and just traded for a .44 20" barrel. I don't know about you but I like nice light and crisp triggers and with these guns it's fairly easy to do if you are mechanically inclined. A spring kit and a little stoning will make these slick with an excellent trigger pull.

I've not had a chance to check the .44 but with the .357 I am getting 1.25" groups at 50 yards using the stock sights. I was shocked but not because the rifle was accurate but because these days my eyes don't work so well and did not expect much better than 2-3".

I was wary about the Rossi brand but am not anymore. A 92 in .45 colt will do what you want and they are fun guns to use too. Btw the .44 feeds SWC's fine or at least I put in 10 and they fed perfectly. The .357 will only feed SWC's with a bit of stumbling here and there.

I'd get the 20" because you're going to like the handiness of the rifle. Also you won't gain anything ballistically with a 24" barrel.

BSA1
November 28, 2012, 09:41 AM
My question is what type of 45 Colt handguns does the O.P. own?

As pointed out the 92 is a very strong action. Many users of the 45 Colt know it's biggest limitation is the type of guns it is used in, not the strength of brass. With this grand old cartridge over a 125 years old there are lot of firearms designed for different pressure levels with the Colt SAA the weakest and Freedom Arms the strongest. Accidently using high pressure hunting loads in a weaker design such as the SAA could lead to problems.

HoosierQ
November 28, 2012, 01:19 PM
Other than the fact that none of them were chambered for that specific cartridge, pretty much the entire post Civil War western USA was "won" with just such a rifle...I mean that's "the gun that won the west", what we now call a pistol caliber lever action rifle/carbine. I think since you reload that cartridge I'd say you are in an even better position. If you have a lot of brass on hand you're golden.

Knowing what little I do about you, I'd say the answer to your question is "yes" that platform would be perfect for what you want it for. What I cannot do is speak to the pros and cons of the Rossi itself...compare it to Marlin or Henry or any of the other .45 lever guns.

The platform seems perfect.

I want same in .357.

BCRider
November 28, 2012, 03:28 PM
The '92 is certainly strong enough. That fact is abley shown by Rossi offering a '92 chambered in .454Casull as well as .44Mag. So your .45Colt loads even up to "Ruger Only" levels would be fine.

They are also cheap enough that you can invest a few dollars in having a local smith do a one through and slick the action up to something approaching cowboy action smoothness for only a little money if you should so desire. Or if you're reasonably handy there are spring kits and some great information online that you can use as a guide to doing this same work yourself. Most of the work involves lightly stoning off corner burrs and lightly surfaceing the roughness from the machine marks. This general LIGHT smoothening along with replacing the rather strong ejector spring is up around 90% of what is needed to make these rifles as smooth as silk.

The one big issue is the top eject which really makes it hard to install a scope if that is your desire. On the other hand if you fit the rifle with a Skinner rear bolt mount peep/ghost ring and match it to the front sight you can have a fast to use and very light and compact sight setup. This assumes that you don't happen to like the normal iron sights. If you do then great.

I've shot my own Rossi in .357 using both .38Spl and light to strong .357Mag enough to know that it's more than accurate enough for any sort of free style or lightly braced shooting. No lever gun will match a proper bench rest gun but they can get close enough that they are good at the sort of options you mentioned.

Marlins are another good option if you want to mount a small scope. But search for info about the dreaded Marlin Lockup and realize that NO mechanical object is without some risk of mechanical failure or other issues. So while a Marlin could be the better gun for you it won't be due to any weakness with the Rossi that I can see. Instead it'll be a case of options that suit you better.

And finally if you are going to carry it around a lot I'd echo what was said above about going with the 20 inch round barrel over the heavier 24inch octagonal.

TennJed
November 28, 2012, 08:50 PM
Thanks for everything. One more thing. I actually reload for 357, 38sp, & 45 colt. I originally thought I would go for the 45 colt because I thought it would be a little more powerful and maybe have a slightly better effective range. If I did want to try a 50-75 yard deer hunt would the 45 be a better option. I am now considering the 357 because it is cheaper to reload. What kind if power difference am I really looking at.

Thanks again, this thread has been really helpful.

RPRNY
November 28, 2012, 09:20 PM
240 gr Hornady SST, 0.7 grs under max of H110 (Hodgdon Data), Starline Brass, WLP primer, 20" barrel, 1486 fps at 5 yards from the muzzle (in H&R Classic Carbine) COAL 1.787". Perfectly serviceable to 100 yards.

USSR
November 28, 2012, 10:13 PM
TennJed,

I have killed deer with both the .357 Magnum and the .45 Colt. There is simply no comparison between the 2. The .357 Magnum will work, but the .45 Colt puts them down with authority.

Don

Hunter125
November 28, 2012, 10:46 PM
But is it the best choice?

I think the only two questions that you need to ask about a hunting gun is:
1) What is your preference?
2) Is your preference ethical for your chosen game?

If the answer to #2 is yes, there's no reason to criticize someone's choice.

MCgunner
November 28, 2012, 11:38 PM
Thanks for everything. One more thing. I actually reload for 357, 38sp, & 45 colt. I originally thought I would go for the 45 colt because I thought it would be a little more powerful and maybe have a slightly better effective range. If I did want to try a 50-75 yard deer hunt would the 45 be a better option. I am now considering the 357 because it is cheaper to reload. What kind if power difference am I really looking at.

Either will kill deer to 100 yards. I've chronographed a 300 grain XTP over 20 grains 2400 in my SIL's .45 20" Rossi. IIRC, it clocked something under 1600 fps. Quick calculation about 1700 ft lbs. My 165 grain .357/16.8 grains L'il Gun gives me just under 1900 fps. That's around 1300 ft lbs. I didn't run the numbers on the exterior ballistics program for the .45, but did for the .357 (estimated BC) and got 700 ft lbs at 100 yards. I've taken deer at 80 with it quite dead, smallish doe. The .45 has a little more heat to work with, so it should give a little more latitude at extended ranges, but the .357 has enough. I would stretch neither past 100 yards.

What I like about the .357 is the economy and the versatility as I said earlier. A 105 grain SWC (Lee mold) at 900 fps using 2.3 grains B'eye shoots 1.5" at 50 yards with a little more pop than a .22 due to the weight of the bullet. It's around 200 ft lbs. It makes for a great small game and plinking load.

I do have more serious rifles for deer and hog, but I don't really need more power. What I do like is a scope and the Rossi lacks that ability. The Marlin has that, but I sure like the looks of the 92, beautiful lines, beautiful fit, beautiful wood, deep bluing even after 25 years she's a real looker. Lever guns ain't supposed to have scopes on 'em. :D That's why I own bolt guns and a CVA Wolf. JMHO, though. My eyes ain't gettin' any better and I sure appreciate glass. :D

BCRider
November 29, 2012, 03:55 AM
That light 105 popgun loading sounds like fun. I might have to try some of those. Thanks McGunner.

For a .357Mag option there are also a number of 180 grain bullets which should carry more energy out farther or ensure a solid strike at the "usual" sort of distances that one would use for 158gn rounds. So there ARE options.

I can't comment on the energy but I know from shooting at one of the local ranges where there's a 200 yard gong that I didn't need to aim much over the top to get a pretty consistent success at hitting it with my Rossi and some .357Mag rounds. So longer distance target shooting is certainly a viable option.

USSR
November 29, 2012, 08:30 AM
When you're talking about hunting with handgun rounds (whether in a handgun or rifle), forget about energy tables. It's all about bullet caliber, weight and construction, and the ability to completely penetrate the game animal. Game animals don't read energy charts and they only respond to either shutting down the CNS or loss of blood pressure.

Don

meef
November 29, 2012, 01:46 PM
What I do like is a scope and the Rossi lacks that ability.Huh-uh. Nope. Don't neither.

Check out:

http://store.stevesgunz.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=76http://store.stevesgunz.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=76

Bill_Rights
November 30, 2012, 01:09 AM
meef,

Used be that Rossi shipped the .454 Casull version with a loose scope rail exactly as offerred by Steve's Gunz. Covers the rear sight dovetail slot. Maybe they still do ship with these. I don't know. Apparently the newer .45 LC Rossis do not ship with scope rail.

That said, I agree with MCGunner: Lever guns ain't supposed to have scopes on 'em. :D

meef
December 1, 2012, 01:57 AM
It's true, the current 45LC Rossi 92s do not ship with a scope rail - that's how/why I found Steve's Gunz, to correct that situation.

Never was a fan of scopes myself a hundred or so years ago. Now I find I like them more and more.

Eventually I'm going to have to install radar-locking capability on my guns, I suppose.

:(

MCgunner
December 1, 2012, 10:43 AM
For a .357Mag option there are also a number of 180 grain bullets which should carry more energy out farther or ensure a solid strike at the "usual" sort of distances that one would use for 158gn rounds. So there ARE options.

WEEEEELL, the 180s do carry more momentum, but that's all. If you like heavies, they'll work for ya. The XTP is an accurate bullet and good penetrator. I just kinda prefer my cast, gas checked bullet and it ain't broke, works well. Buffalo Bore sells a 158 jacketed bullet that they claim something like 2200 fps out of a rifle. THAT is cookin'! The slightly lighter bullets seem to perform pretty well. There's a guy that posts occasionally here, "goosegestapo" that turned me on to Li'l Gun. He says he gets that sort of velocity out of a 158 and loves it for deer or hog hunting with a .357 rifle.

Previous to Li'l Gun, I'd been using the ol' standby, 2400, and it works okay, but I get a bit more with probably less pressure (I'm below book max) with the Li'l Gun, though. I really like it for the rifle, but it has a rep for eroding forcing cones in revolvers, probably a little too slow for revolvers. I've got one box of it loaded up for the Rossi for use as hunting ammo.

As for scopes, my old eyes never were that good. I turned 60 this year and they're not that great now. But, I did shoot a nice 9 point yesterday with irons and my SKS. I prefer the sights, ghost ring aperture, I have set up on the Rossi. Hey, I still got it, you can ask my wife! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif Kinda reminds me of John Wayne, think it was "Big Jake", a line about using his Greener (shotgun) as his eyes ain't what they used to be. :D

mavracer
December 1, 2012, 11:07 AM
If you like heavies, they'll work for ya. The XTP is an accurate bullet and good penetrator. I just kinda prefer my cast, gas checked bullet and it ain't broke, works well.
Rossi's will work fine with cast bullets, but if he gets a Marlin with micro groove rifling they can be problematic with cast. Mine is ok at best with cast bullets although I haven't tried gas checks.
357 will work fine for deer although a 45 Colt loaded to "ruger only" will have a little mor margin for error.

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