ST. Louis County (MO) HB 279!!!


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wow6599
November 27, 2012, 06:42 PM
Anyone who lives in St. Louis County needs to read this. Be at Clayton tonight (11/27) to voice your opinion.

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2012/11/missouri-st-louis-county-council-to-vote-tonight-on-ordinance-to-restrict-your-right-to-self-defense.aspx

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gunlaw
November 28, 2012, 12:07 AM
not aware of this Since I am a St.Louis Co atty I may want to know. the link did not work. Thanks

wow6599
November 28, 2012, 01:14 AM
not aware of this Since I am a St.Louis Co atty I may want to know. the link did not work. Thanks

I received the email this afternoon from the NRA-ILA regarding the bill.....and they removed the content from the link? Here is a copy of the bill, which did pass this evening. Look at page 9, sections 11-14.

http://www.nraila.org/media/10808904/mo_county_bill_279.pdf

fanchisimo
November 28, 2012, 01:28 AM
So they are declaring that if you do any of those it becomes an automatic hate crime?

wow6599
November 28, 2012, 01:32 AM
So they are declaring that if you do any of those it becomes an automatic hate crime?

Good question.

Here is what the email had in it from the NRA-ILA -


Missouri: St. Louis County Council to Vote Tonight on Ordinance to Restrict Your Right to Self-Defense



Today, November 27, at 6:00 p.m. CST, the St. Louis County Council will decide whether to pass County Bill 279, an ordinance that would limit your inherent right to self-defense. While the most of this ordinance focuses on anti-discrimination policy, there are several anti-Second Amendment provisions.

You can review a copy of this proposed ordinance here. (Page 9, Sections 11-14)

Sections 11-14 would prohibit discharge of a firearm in any vehicle, boat or building in St. Louis County. As you can see, this would greatly hinder your right to self-defense. Not only is this a blatant disregard for your right to defend yourself, but this ordinance violates state law by prohibiting you from carrying a firearm for self-defense in certain locations outlined in Section 13.

Please attend tonight’s County Council meeting and voice your opposition to the anti-Second Amendment provisions in County Bill 279. This meeting will be held tonight, November 27, at 6:00 p.m., at the St. Louis County Council Chamber, Administration Building, 41 South Central Avenue, Clayton, Missouri 63105. Also ask your family and friends in St. Louis County to join you in contacting members of the St. Louis County Council and respectfully urging them to vote “NO” on County Bill 279. Contact information for the St. Louis County Council is provided below:

Charlie A. Dooley – County Executive

(314) 615-7016

cdooley@stlouisco.com

Hazel Erby – District 1

(314) 615-5436

HErby@stlouisco.com

Kathleen Kelly Burkett – District 2

(314) 615-5437

KBurkett@stlouisco.com

Colleen Wasinger – District 3

(314) 615-5438

CWasinger@stlouisco.com

Michael O'Mara – District 4

(314) 615-5439

MOmara@stlouisco.com

Pat Dolan – District 5

(314) 615-5441

PDolan@stlouisco.com

Steve Stenger – District 6

(314) 615-5442

SStenger@stlouisco.com

Greg Quinn – District 7

(314) 615-5443

GQuinn@stlouisco.com

wow6599
November 28, 2012, 01:34 AM
It has now been voted on, so time to use the names, numbers and email to "fix" this.

phototrail
November 28, 2012, 03:11 PM
Not that I am in favor of this ordinance, but a careful reading would not specifically prevent self defense with a firearm. The ordinance -- specifically section 722.050 -- while poorly constructed, only makes firearm use "more illegaler" is you purposefully attack because of one of the protected people groups (based on race, creed, religion, color, sexual orientation, etc). This we should already not be doing.

Granted, yes -- this *could* open the door for a justified defensive gun use to be misconstrued as a hate crime if the attacker was someone covered by this (based on race, creed, religion, color, sexual orientation, etc). That is a shame and that's why I oppose this, and may alone be grounds for opposing it, above and beyond potential violation of the 2nd amendment. We know how a defensive gun use against someone can be misconstrued in the media the courtroom if a "protected" group is involved. Shame.

There are deeper implications and inevitable misapplications of this ordinance, but I will continue to do what I do, and will not allow a potential problem of this being misconstrued to prevent my self-defense. I'll take my chances with the judge rather than the mortician.

fanchisimo
November 29, 2012, 02:23 AM
I don't think it's if you shoot a person of this group, it's if you shoot the person because they are part of that group. IE shooting a gay man versus shooting a gay man because he's gay.

hso
November 30, 2012, 12:27 AM
The window of opportunity has closed on this and another course of action needs to be posted.

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