The New Redemption Muzzle Loader


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arcticap
November 27, 2012, 08:29 PM
A new company named LHR Sporting Arms has designed an innovative muzzle loader.
The company is run by 4 former employees of Thompson Center Arms.
The Redemption is the name of this new break action muzzle loader which is "USA Made" in Rochester, New Hampshire, and it's slated to be released on the 1st day of 2013.
It features an externally threaded collar that entirely solves the problem of stuck breech plugs.
The collar allows the barrel to be removed without tools and secures one of the two different primer adaptors that are included to accommodate different powders.
It has a sliding button safety located on the receiver and also a decocking button.
It's striker fired and has a match trigger.
It has an optional walnut stock and the forend is attached by a sling swivel stud.
And the entire barrel inside and out and critical components has a special
mil-spec nitride-based rust prevention coating that's named Armornite™ Corrosion Protectant.

http://lhrsportingarms.com/Redemption.html

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Pancho
November 27, 2012, 11:37 PM
Except for the over the top trigger guard that is one nice looking gun and the breech idea is great. I wish for the daring 4 success.

a98kdoc
November 27, 2012, 11:54 PM
May not qualify as a muzzle loader as it can be loaded from the breach?
I don't see anything that stops that.
Goverments can be picky

arcticap
November 27, 2012, 11:59 PM
The Redemption comes with a "Life Time Promise":

lhr's lifetime promise

You've heard it before, the "Lifetime Warranty" on your rifle, but is it really? Many Lifetime Warranties are limited and only cover the original owner and the certain aspects of your rifle.

At LHR we believe in our rifles, which is why we offer our "Lifetime Promise." A promise that we will always take care of you and whomever else may own your rifle down the road.

http://lhrsportingarms.com/WhyLHR.html

Busyhands94
November 28, 2012, 12:25 AM
Steve, that looks like a mighty fine smoke pole! I love how you can get it with a wooden stock and forarm. I like wood on my guns, and I figure the only way I'd really dig an inline would be if it were to have wood on it.

frontiergander
November 28, 2012, 12:46 AM
May not qualify as a muzzle loader as it can be loaded from the breach?
I don't see anything that stops that.
Goverments can be picky



It loads from the muzzle. You put a primer in the back of it.

Busyhands94
November 28, 2012, 12:58 AM
Technically speaking, you could do the same thing with a cartridge firearm. I could take a shotgun, size/prime a fired hull, cut off the brass base, stick it in the breech, pour powder down the barrel and stick a ball and/or shot in there and seat the load.
And in case you are wondering... done it, it was seriously cool. Possibly one of the coolest ways to use a shotgun not to get too off topic.

Would the govt' call it a muzzleloader? Probably not since it was originally sold as a shotgun and shoots shells.

But this rifle doesn't shoot cartridges, so I think it would be safe to assume that they'd call it a muzzleloader. It's got a ramrod under the barrel, and takes BP only. Can't argue with that as far as what is and isn't a muzzleloader.

Jim, West PA
November 28, 2012, 01:12 AM
Reckon i'm a purist. All i can say is....the muzzel loader aint broke. Never was.Never will be.
I find it blassfeeeemous to refer to any o' those modern in line removable breech primer ignited plastic stocked stainless steel scoped things muzzel loaders.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=172357&d=1348420464

frontiergander
November 28, 2012, 02:31 AM
A percussion muzzleloader is new technology to the guys that shoot flintlocks and flintlocks are new technology when the guy shooting a matchlock complains about that new fangled flintlock. Its cheatin!

Patocazador
November 28, 2012, 07:29 AM
A percussion muzzleloader is new technology to the guys that shoot flintlocks and flintlocks are new technology when the guy shooting a matchlock complains about that new fangled flintlock. Its cheatin!
My dad picked up a matchlock when he worked in Saudi Arabia. Yeah, it was covered with silver tacks and scrolling - all done rather primitively. The barrel walls were so thin that only a crazy man would shoot it. It still had a piece of smudged wick in the hammer. Talk about hangfire!!!

J-Bar
November 28, 2012, 07:53 PM
I am always delighted when a new gun company starts up, and when new gun designs are marketed. I wish them years of success.

But I am going to use my Hawken in the deer woods in a couple of weeks, and would still do so if this one was on the market now.

Hey, what do you expect from a cowboy who is looking forward to competing with 1860s this weekend!!??

loose noose
November 28, 2012, 10:36 PM
Sorry folks but I agree wholeheartedly with Jim on this subject, even though I own a TC Scout that sits in one of my gun vaults. I don't have any trouble with a new gun company starting up, but man don't call it a muzzle loader ifn it aint. :scrutiny: Right Jim?;)

Pancho
December 6, 2012, 01:06 AM
Explain if you will how you could PRACTICABLY breech load this gun. I'm trying to imagine it.
1)Set projectile at pre-determined depth in the breech based on desired powder charge minus the take-up of the breechplug.
2)Must use powder that doesn't require compression because you can't compress against a movable object (the projectile).
3)Insert breechpug
4)Screw on hub
5)Prime,aim, pull trigger, and hope it all comes out all right.
Putting such a fine edge on the word muzzleloading would certainly exclude the Colt and Remington percussion revolvers too.

4v50 Gary
December 6, 2012, 01:56 AM
The Ferguson was a breech loader as was the 1859 Sharps rifle. Here no metallic cartridge is used and so it should be good to go.

OrangePwrx9
December 6, 2012, 09:28 AM
Except for the trigger guard, that thing is sweet. I'd give it a year or two for the bugs to shake out. If it's still around in 2015 and the reports are good, I'll find a way to put one in the safe.

Jim, I prefer sidelocks too but, as a practical BP hunter looking to humanely down game, it's silly to pretend that technical advances can't improve muzzleloading. One thing for sure, the innovations on the inline side keep things interesting.

Maybe the spirit of TC never left Rochester, NH.

woodnbow
December 6, 2012, 10:52 AM
AFAIG, the Smith carbine loads from the breech too. BATF doesn't seem too concerned..

Pancho
December 6, 2012, 09:33 PM
I don't know this but did the Sharps have an unrifled chamber to load the round?
I only assume that the Redemption has a fully rifled barrel making it very difficult to load from the breech as suggested in post #3.

alienbogey
December 9, 2012, 04:28 PM
So long as folks hunt with it only in modern rifle seasons then no problem.

Pancho
December 10, 2012, 01:30 AM
Ohio doesn't have a rifle season for deer. Rifles can only be used for squirrels and varmints like coyotes and wild hogs.
One year I unknowingly hunted illegally by using a CVA Express .50 cal. double rifle.
The game warden gave me a break because he'd have to call the main ODNR office to get a ruling. They later included double rifles as being legal.

SleazyRider
December 10, 2012, 05:21 AM
Me bein' a traditionalist at heart, this may the the rifle that pushes me over the edge into gittin' me an inline rifle. I like what I see on their website.

Pancho
December 10, 2012, 12:31 PM
Like you, I'm 95% traditionalist but I do support people that think out of the box.
For example I waited a year to buy a Judge an later I bought kel-tec's PMR30 after they got the bugs worked out. This Redemption is tempting.

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