Shooting without prescription glasses


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riceboy72
November 28, 2012, 02:20 AM
For those of you who wear prescription eyewear, do you ever shoot without your glasses to see how well (or poorly) you do without corrective measures? In the event you lose or break your glasses in an encounter, or you wake up and knock your glasses off the nightstand and can't find them but need to react to a threat inside your house, do you train to see if you can accurately and effectively shoot without them? If so, do you regularly incorporate it as part of your training?

(Please bear in mind I'm only talking about prescription glasses; I advocate wearing protective eyewear always while training).

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Trent
November 28, 2012, 02:31 AM
I'm blind without them. 20/600 in my dominant eye.

Glasses -> Gun.

There's an order to what I reach for when things go bump in the night and the dogs get riled up.

dmancornell
November 28, 2012, 02:39 AM
I'm -9.5 diopters in my right eye. I think that's around 20/1000. Maybe worse.

So no, I don't shoot without my glasses.

Downeast
November 28, 2012, 07:16 AM
I can't shoot without either glasses or contacts, I just can't see good enough at distance without them.

Lex Luthier
November 28, 2012, 07:40 AM
I do not need glasses for longer range shooting, but keep an old pair in the range bag for shorter stuff. I use the diopter ring on my binos for longer range. On clear sunny days, glasses just aren't necessary, yet.

jimbo555
November 28, 2012, 08:16 AM
I do.My glasses fall off my head on a regular basis,so I do shoot without them also.At close range(7yards or less)I'm good,no hostage shots without my glasses.;)

JohnBT
November 28, 2012, 08:53 AM
I can't see the front sight without glasses or contacts. I can see large objects well enough, they're just really fuzzy when they're six feet away.

Otoh, I'm so nearsighted I can read the Lord's Prayer engraved on the head of pin. I've thought about having eye surgery, but they say I'll need to start using reading glasses if I have it.

John

Whacked
November 28, 2012, 09:27 AM
I wear contacts so range time isnt an issue. I believe I can see well enough to defend myself at home with my 12ga, a theory I do not want to test.
But grabbing my glasses at night is the first thing I do. My cell phone is right next to my glasscase so thats the 2nd thing to grab.

I've been told that I'm a perfect candidate for LaSIK, but the thought of having my eyeballs cut gives me the heebiejeebies plus i'll go batsh** crazy not being able to see during the recovery.

robertn
November 28, 2012, 09:29 AM
I just paid for prescription shooting glasses from my eye doctor.. basically just safety glasses but with all the anti-this/that applied to them. I shoot just fine with them... otherwise I'd have to use sonar to shoot cause i am blind as a bat.

bassdogs
November 28, 2012, 10:28 AM
This thread raises a valid issue. If you are sight impaired, it makes sense to practice in a safe environment w/o your glasses or contacts. I'm not advocating shooting blindly at a potential threat and risk hitting a friendly, but knowing you can hit a target if you need to is a useful skill. Have been reading a book about personal stories of people [mostly in Alaska] who have faced Bear attacks. Several involve 2 or 3 hunters and partners often find themselves in a life or death situation of trying to save them self or one of their friends during a bear mauling. You may have had your glasses knocked off or your vision is blurred by mud, blood, or both. Its a shoot and risk hitting your friend or hold fire and he is killed by the bear. This is more than just practicing to "snap" shoot. Now we flip back to the dark house and the glasses get knocked off the table when you get up to investigate a possible threat. Hmm what do you do?

Good ??. What you would be practicing is not just shooting in a fog, but focusing judgement, target id, and risk level. Many urban combat courses deal with this without the blurred vision component. Remember the alternative of doing nothing is in reality choosing to let something very bad to happen.

xfyrfiter
November 28, 2012, 11:17 AM
Perfect use for a laser sight, most people can see the dot, even without their glasses.

[I did say MOST not all.]

Furncliff
November 28, 2012, 11:30 AM
I'm nearsighted and I've worn glasses since age 15, I'm 68. I practice with my handguns on chunks of 2x4 at 10 to 20 yards. Hitting the targets is easier without my glasses, the front sight is sharp and I pickup the target well enough so that hitting is no problem. I've tried with glasses and no glasses from the bench on bullseye targets, slow fire with some really basic revolver sights and the results are the same.

riceboy72
November 28, 2012, 01:42 PM
Thanks for your replies. I went shooting last night and shot a couple of magazines without my prescription glasses to see how I did. Thankfully I can still see somewhat decently without them, although it is less than clear (and seemingly gets worse as the years go by, of course). It reinforced to me how reliant I am on my corrective eyewear on a daily basis, and how I need to be able to shoot effectively and accurately should I not have them.

We encourage and advocate the practice of shooting off hand, as well as drawing and reloading with one hand, so the idea of shooting without corrective eyewear is another aspect I now will consider when I go to the range.

Trent
November 28, 2012, 02:03 PM
Another valid point here is ALWAYS have a back up set of prescription glasses in case the first breaks. When I travel I always have a spare set with me. Same when I go hunting. :)

Mike OTDP
November 28, 2012, 03:15 PM
I'm at the point where I need both reading and distance correction. Which means that my reading prescription is very close to my shooting prescription (I use dedicated shooting glasses)...but my distance prescription is noticably off when sighting a pistol. I'm very close to going to a red dot sight on the house gun for that reason.

Ehtereon11B
November 28, 2012, 03:35 PM
My prescription glasses are made to almost the same tolerances for strength as my ballistic eyewear. I have dropped, sat on, and accidently stepped on them a few times. So the likelihood they will break in an encounter are slim although I am not so confident to say it cannot happen.

I sometimes practice point of aim and drawing using a dry gun and laser trainer without my glasses at rude person distances. I am more likely to forget my glasses than have them break in the middle of the night.

Trent
November 28, 2012, 04:36 PM
Those tiny little screws always work themselves out at the worst times. :)

Or, if you have a screw-less lightweight flexible tie-them-in-a-knot design like I do, the arms tend to snap after awhile, or the plastic piece lets go and the posts fall out of the lens, making the arm fall right off...

I've never had glasses break at a GOOD time.

Trent
November 28, 2012, 04:38 PM
Also, being able to hit a "blob" isn't the problem. I'm sure I could still hit a target at distances I'm likely to experience.

Being able to clearly identify that the target is a hostile intruder and not my teenage 6'2" son in a hoodie sneaking out to meet his girlfriend in the woods, that's the relevant point.

Clarity gives you the ability to properly identify a target in the dim middle of the night light.

Cosmoline
November 28, 2012, 04:50 PM
I just ran into this issue when my glass glasses were icing up badly at the range. I'm pretty nearsighted and could only make out the blur of the target at 100 yards looking over the top of the glasses, but it was enough to get a 6" group with A1 AR-15 sights.

r1derbike
November 28, 2012, 04:55 PM
I have to use optics on rifles. Sidearms, I use +1 shooting glasses, so I may see the sights and target (not over 10 yards) reasonably well, at the range. I have a very small .45acp for SD.

Have been fretting about getting a laser for the sidearm, however. There may come a time where it is the only sight available for me, instantly. I have meprolights on the sidearm, and an LED light, but a combo laser/LED light for the front rail may be my best choice.

Iramo94
November 28, 2012, 05:01 PM
My eyes are so bad (-7 diopters in my best eye), I would never even try to use a firearm without glasses. I'd be afraid of making a mistake in target identification.

Cosmoline
November 28, 2012, 05:11 PM
Have been fretting about getting a laser for the sidearm, however. There may come a time where it is the only sight available for me, instantly.

I've tried a laser and found it far more difficult to see and focus on than iron sights. It's also glacially slow to use--which surprised me. Plus so much of aiming is in the body position and muscle memory, if you've done it enough you'll find you're already 90% aimed before even getting a bead on the front sight and target.

Trebor
November 28, 2012, 11:33 PM
I have very, very bad vision. I'm practically blind without my glasses.

I have tested shooting without my prescription glasses in a controlled environment. I found that, in a fight, my HUGE issue will be locating and identifying the opponent and telling friend from foe. After my experiment I had a much better understanding of what happened to the FBI agent who lost his glasses in the Miami gunfight. He's quoted as saying "Where is everybody" in the middle of the fight and, after shooting without my glasses, I can completely understand.

Although my accuracy decreased noticeably, I could still get "acceptable" hits on target. (larger groups with more shots outside the -0 or -1 rings on an IDPA target). The big problem in a fight though would be locating the right person to shoot and then making the hits in a dynamic environment with absolutely zero ability to focus on the front sight. The best I could do was to use the back of the slide/back of my hand as a crude index.

In real life, in a home invasion type scenario, I'd hope that my wife was behind me so I could be more confident that anyone in front of me is a bad guy and "ok to shoot."

On the street, if I lost my glasses in a car accident or attack and then had to fight, I am concerned about my ability to tell who to shoot (outside of contact distance) and my ability to put hits on target quickly enough.

It's not a good situation.

VINTAGE-SLOTCARS
November 29, 2012, 03:09 AM
I also use a lazer, my eyes (I'm 58 yrs old) can't focus on sights and target at the same time. I use a CT unit on my Inox Beretta 92. I can concentrate on my target and not on sights or looking for my glasses.

spikedzombies
November 29, 2012, 03:22 AM
This thread got me wondering... How much legal trouble you would be in if you shot someone without ur glasses on if your required to wear glasses to see...

"Sent Via Time Traveling Blue Police Box"

bushmaster1313
November 29, 2012, 06:59 AM
I am fortunate to be in my mid fifties and still have very good far vision.

With a revolver and no glasses I can hit a pie plate at 100 yards.

However, that's only because both sights are far enough away with my arms outstreched.

I cannot focus on the rear sight of a rifle without the lower part of my bifocals, and when looking through that lower part I cannot see the target.

beatledog7
November 29, 2012, 08:14 AM
I have prescription bifocals, but the distance portion is ground to zero correction for my left and almost zero correction for my right (dominant) eye. The purpose of wearing them is so I can see both up close (for which I also use OTC 1.25 or 1.5 reading glasses) and far away (for which I'm 20/15 - 20/20 with no correction) without the need to put on or take off my glasses. (I also wear them to drive at night in the rain, though my license doesn't say I have to.)

I have never tried wearing them to shoot. So far, the front sight is far enough away to allow my eye to focus on it without correction. My arms keep getting shorter though, and there are times when I'm at the range and I'd like to be able to read something that I can't. I ought to put a set of readers in my range bag.

2nd 41
November 29, 2012, 08:21 AM
Good thread. If I have to act in the middle of the night I would need a Time Out (J/K) until my glasses were on. I do have them close to me on the night stand.

highlander 5
November 29, 2012, 08:26 AM
Had cataract surgery at 5,detached retina in my late 40s and in my 5os had surgery done to repair the damage done by the cataract surgery,I'm 62 now. I wear glasses for distance and reading and frankly have never tried or would attempt to shoot without my glasses on.

springer99
November 29, 2012, 08:54 AM
IMHO, the combination of low light along with aged eyes is a perfect application for lazers on my HD hardware. With or without my glasses on. As an aside, you might be surprised at how well you can shoot outdoors using a reddot, even without prescription glasses. Without the need to focus on multiple focal points, sighting is just alot simpler.

Tinpig
November 29, 2012, 11:08 AM
With regular glasses I can see the target but not the front sight. With reading glasses I can see the sights but not the target. With no glasses I can't find my rifle.

Getting old sucks.
:cool:

Tinpig

bushmaster1313
November 30, 2012, 01:12 AM
This makes me think of the funniest part of the oral argument in Heller:

CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: So how long does it
9 take? If your interpretation is correct, how long does
it take to remove the trigger lock and make the gun
11 operable.
12 MR. DELLINGER: You -- you place a trigger
13 lock on and it has -- the version I have, a few -- you
14 can buy them at 17th Street Hardware -- has a code, like
a three-digit code. You turn to the code and you pull
16 it apart. That's all it takes. Even -- it took me 3
17 seconds.
18 JUSTICE SCALIA: You turn on, you turn on
19 the lamp next to your bed so you can -- you can turn the
knob at 3-22-95, and so somebody --
21 MR. DELLINGER: Well --
22 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Is it like that? Is
23 it a numerical code?
24 MR. DELLINGER: Yes, you can have one with a
numerical code.

Official - Subject to Final Review
1 CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: So then you turn on
2 the lamp, you pick up your reading glasses --
3 (Laughter.)

Texan Scott
November 30, 2012, 02:04 AM
At indoor distances, I see well enough to aim for center mass.

thefamcnaj
November 30, 2012, 02:24 AM
This thread got me wondering... How much legal trouble you would be in if you shot someone without ur glasses on if your required to wear glasses to see...
That's a great question I've never thought of that. I'm required to wear glasses when operating a vehicle. If I cause a wreck or damage someones property and I didn't have my glasses on I'm assuming I would be in more trouble than If I wreck with them on, because that's one of the restrictions on the back of my license.
I'm sure a DA would bring up the fact you weren't wearing your glasses, if you were in a self defense situation, and shot your fire arm. Especially if you: miss, damage something, or if anything didn't go right.
As to the op I've never trained without my glasses. Its such a daily habit to wear them all day every day. At work my safety glasses have my script in them, and those are also my range glasses. I've never even thought about it until I started reading this thread to be honest.
I'm right eye dominant and thus use it to aim/shoot with. Its pretty good without my glasses so long as I keep my left eye closed. Which there again I close my left eye when I shoot. Its a lot to think about and consider from a defensive situation as well as a legal situation.
My glasses are the first thing I reach for any time I get out of bed be it a bump in the night or just going to the fridge.

RJTravel
November 30, 2012, 02:45 AM
For years I tried to become good with a handgun - to no avail. I began divesting myself of all handguns since I just could not shoot them well. One day I didn't have my regular glasses and shot without them - and did really well. I am slightly nearsighted and when I found that the front sight was incredibly in focus without my glasses my markmanship went up several levels.

BlindJustice
November 30, 2012, 09:09 AM
Ok, I've revealed this before, and somewhat explains my user-id.

I'm legally blind even with prescriptionn glasses. I do where them for
safety firing handguns at my indoor range. Range, about 5-7 yards maximu,, but I can keep most of thd shots in a 10" black tarrget 22/ 38 Special/357 Mag / 9mm & 45 ACP. It's frustrating at times but I enjoy it for the most part. Shot the the dang overhead trolley once.

Randall

VA27
November 30, 2012, 01:02 PM
Yes, I do. I also encourage others to do so. I'm not talking a hundred or even fiify yards, I'm talking inside the house distances. It's an important confidence builder.

Cosmoline
November 30, 2012, 02:09 PM
How much legal trouble you would be in if you shot someone without ur glasses on if your required to wear glasses to see..

If you shoot the wrong person or miss the target and hit a bystander it could certainly be an issue.

Texan Scott
November 30, 2012, 02:43 PM
The big difference between driving a truck illegally without required glasses and shooting a violent intruder in your home is this: INTENT.

When you get into the truck without your glasses, you are KNOWINGLY and WILLFULLY breaking the law. Any damage you do after that point is willful and criminal negligence on your part; you MEANT to drive while legally blind.

When you take off your glasses and go to bed at night, you do not ever do so in the full awareness that at or about 0300 hrs, you will be awakening to see a narcopsychotic felon with a knife standing in your bedroom doorway. You didn't go to bed INTENDING to shoot someone without your glasses.

Warp
November 30, 2012, 07:26 PM
I do not.

I can't even begin to use the sites on a handgun without correction. Point shooting it is.

My AR with iron sites and the big, close range rear site up is the best thing I've found for uncorrected shooting. I don't usually run irons though.

420Stainless
November 30, 2012, 09:04 PM
I am near sighted and must remove my glasses to see the sights on a handgun in focus - so I always shoot with just safety glasses. Can't shoot open iron sights on a rifle well at all. The rear sight is fuzzy with glasses and the front sight is fuzzy without:banghead:. Still seem to do pretty well with a peep.

Fortunately, although my far vision is fuzzy, it is not so bad that I can't distiguish and center on a target.

beatledog7
November 30, 2012, 10:03 PM
The rear sight is supposed to appear fuzzy.

RJTravel
December 1, 2012, 05:02 AM
Without glasses the sights are in clear focus, however the target is a bit fuzzy. Once I was moose hunting and shot a moose. A nearby farmer got really, really mad and insisted I shot his cow. My far vision may be a little fuzzy but I could prove that it was a moose. He asked how. Easy - only a moose would moo.

420Stainless
December 1, 2012, 10:35 AM
The rear sight is supposed to appear fuzzy.
True, but when its so fuzzy you can't tell if the front sight is centered or level with the top of the notch it doesn't work too well, at least not for me.

Andrew Leigh
December 1, 2012, 11:13 AM
Glasses are probably the single most frusrtating part of my shooting experience, I shoot scoped hunting rifles exclusively.

I needed to get reading glasses then within 6 months my distance vision went. Currently I wear multifocals which is OK for general use but with shooting no can do.

When on a hunt the multifocals are great but when addressing target the position of my eyes > glasses > scope does not work. The position of the glasses on my face is such that my eye looks through the portion of the lens that focusses far, but the scope is only 4" inches away.

I am considering having a pair of glasses made with my normal long distance prescription in both lenses but by having a "bifocal" portion at the top of the right lens so my right eye can focus through it on the scope. This will pretty much leave me snookered for reading but this would not be required out on the hunt. I would also have to check how this will affect my use of a rangefinder.

Any suggestions?

xfyrfiter
December 1, 2012, 11:45 AM
I also shoot only scoped rifles other than my AR, and I focus my crosshairs and AO so that I can shoot without glasses. When I was a much younger man I had 20/10 in both eyes, at 25 yo it had deteriorated to 20/15, and then was 20/20 for a quite a few years, now I am looking at trifocals, it sucks getting old.

GreyCoupe
December 2, 2012, 09:28 AM
I'm lucky; -1.75 in my dominant eye, -1.5 in the other. I can almost pass my driver's test without them. In fact, when shooting at the 5 and 7 yard ranges, I peek over my glasses to keep the front sight sharp, and let the bull's eye blur behind it.

Fotno
December 2, 2012, 10:17 AM
I'm blind without them. 20/600 in my dominant eye.

Glasses -> Gun.

There's an order to what I reach for when things go bump in the night and the dogs get riled up.

My eyes are so bad (-7 diopters in my best eye), I would never even try to use a firearm without glasses. I'd be afraid of making a mistake in target identification.

These two posts mirror both my nearsightedness, and my approach to shooting without my glasses. In other words, at other than bad breath distances I wouldn't think of it.

Big Lew in NC
December 2, 2012, 02:38 PM
I used to shoot the IHMSA game well at age 30. I could ven hit the 500 meter targets. Now at 50 I have tri-focals. I recommend you practice with regular safety glasses that have no prescription and get used to it so you can defend yourself and your home. There are special glass that can be ordered when you are competing. Just practice a lot with regular safety glasses and you'll do fine.

22-rimfire
December 3, 2012, 11:07 AM
This thread got me wondering... How much legal trouble you would be in if you shot someone without ur glasses on if your required to wear glasses to see...

Didn't know there was a requirement to be able to see to exercise a right.

armedandsafe
December 3, 2012, 09:41 PM
Andrew, I buy the common stick-on reading lenses from OPTX. I cut a little dot (larger than a BB and smaller than a 9mm ;) ) to place on the inside, upper left corner of my right glasses lens. It has taken me about 20 years to go through my first pair and start on my second. The dot tends to come off when you hand your glasses to the tech at the optometrist.

http://www.safetyglassesusa.com/bf34.html
http://blog.optx2020.com/114/5-ways-to-use-stick-on-lenses

Now, you will need to know the approximate diopter of your prescription. Then buy the nearest stronger to cut and fit. Talk to your eye-guy for further advice. Mine let me bring my rifle and pistol into the shop and did some trials with his trial lenses. The biggest problem we had with that was when the two women came over to look at the Hawken I'd brought in.

I've pictures around someplace. I'll look and see if I can find them to post.

Pops

That little dot of magnification in the upper corner of your vision will bug you for a bit, but I've never had anybody tell me it took more than a day to forget about it.

Andrew Leigh
December 3, 2012, 11:35 PM
Andrew, I buy the common stick-on reading lenses from OPTX. I cut a little dot (larger than a BB and smaller than a 9mm ;) ) to place on the inside, upper left corner of my right glasses lens. It has taken me about 20 years to go through my first pair and start on my second. The dot tends to come off when you hand your glasses to the tech at the optometrist.

http://www.safetyglassesusa.com/bf34.html
http://blog.optx2020.com/114/5-ways-to-use-stick-on-lenses

Now, you will need to know the approximate diopter of your prescription. Then buy the nearest stronger to cut and fit. Talk to your eye-guy for further advice. Mine let me bring my rifle and pistol into the shop and did some trials with his trial lenses. The biggest problem we had with that was when the two women came over to look at the Hawken I'd brought in.

I've pictures around someplace. I'll look and see if I can find them to post.

Pops

That little dot of magnification in the upper corner of your vision will bug you for a bit, but I've never had anybody tell me it took more than a day to forget about it.
Awesome, will check it out.

JTHunter
December 4, 2012, 12:50 AM
Considering I can't read newsprint at 6" because I'm so near-sighted, I can't see the targets.
I've had bifocals - they didn't work for me. I went back to single vision lenses on this prescription and, if I need to read some fine print, I just lift them up and use my bare eyes.
When I'm at the computer, I use an old prescription that is about 1 diopter weaker and hang some of those cheap "reading glasses" on the front that lets me see the screen quite well. If I need to look at something over 2-3' away, I just look over the tops of the readers and through the upper portion of the regular glasses.

hardheart
December 4, 2012, 02:26 AM
Didn't know there was a requirement to be able to see to exercise a right.
Which is why shooting with your eyes closed is a great idea.

otasan56
December 4, 2012, 08:17 AM
I have prescription shooting glasses (impact resistant).

Iramo94
December 6, 2012, 03:28 PM
Didn't know there was a requirement to be able to see to exercise a right.

This reminds me of a poem often attributed to an epitaph on a grave somewhere.

Here lies the body of Samuel Jay,
Who died defending his right of way.
He was right, dead right, as he drove along
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong.

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