Albino Deer Hunter Angers residents


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627PCFan
November 28, 2012, 10:20 AM
An out of state hunter may have irritated some locals by shooting an albino deer.(Isnt it technically a pie-bald if it has some coloring?). Would you or would you have not shot the deer regardless of the local "code"?

My view is its a genetic abnormality and should be removed from the herd. Thoughts?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/27/legal-shooting-albino-deer-angers-wisconsin-residents/?test=latestnews

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dgroff85
November 28, 2012, 11:13 AM
I think that I would have "passed" on shooting the deer. I do understand your thoughts of "genetic abnormality and should be removed from the herd" but I've never seen one before and I don't I would shoot it "unless" it was sick or diseased. As always just IMO

MCgunner
November 28, 2012, 11:16 AM
Hmm, by the title, I was thinking the hunter was the albino. First thought, "Hope he has sun screen".

shaggy430
November 28, 2012, 11:25 AM
It clearly wasn't an albino if it had brown on it's hindquarters. No mention on if it had red eyes or not. And, yes, I probably would have shot it. If it was a legal buck on public land then it would be fair game. Here's my piebald I got a couple of years ago and I consider myself very lucky to have gotten it.

627PCFan
November 28, 2012, 11:57 AM
Thats a good looking mount.

We had about 5, dont want to call them a heard, locally a few years ago near my parents house in Maryland. I swear they were only safe when it was snowing, but local hunters for whatever reason didnt pick them off and that says something coming from the "if its brown its down" crowd.

Hunterdad
November 28, 2012, 12:41 PM
Shaggy, that is gorgeous. Congrats!

Art Eatman
November 28, 2012, 01:01 PM
I guess that if I had some way of knowing that an unusally-colored deer was a local "pet", so to speak, I'd not shoot it.

But if it were out in one of my usual hunting areas, I'd likely figure, "Hey, look at that!" Bang/whop/plop.

Husker_Fan
November 28, 2012, 01:17 PM
What do people have against "albino deer hunters?" I thought we didn't judge hunters by the color (or lack thereof) of their skin.

shaggy430
November 28, 2012, 03:44 PM
Thats a good looking mount.

Shaggy, that is gorgeous. Congrats!

Thank you.

Patocazador
November 28, 2012, 04:37 PM
I'd shoot it in a heartbeat!

Certaindeaf
November 28, 2012, 04:55 PM
I don't like white meat.

351 WINCHESTER
November 28, 2012, 05:05 PM
Our hunt club was told by the game warden to shoot any piebold or albino regardless of sex. He told us they were genetically inferior and were bad in general for a healthy herd.

shafter
November 28, 2012, 05:27 PM
I guess that if I had some way of knowing that an unusally-colored deer was a local "pet", so to speak, I'd not shoot it.

But if it were out in one of my usual hunting areas, I'd likely figure, "Hey, look at that!" Bang/whop/plop.

This ^

I have nothing against shooting an albino deer but I'd probably pass on it if I was an out of stater and knew that there was an informal agreement by the locals to not shoot it. Still, it's nothing to get worked up over. It was legal and I'm assuming ethical kill.

buck460XVR
November 28, 2012, 06:27 PM
Albino deer are protected in most of the state. This deer was shot in the southern CWD zone, an area of the state the DNR has been trying to eliminate all deer since the disease was discovered there in 2002. The locals will get no sympathy from the state.

hq
November 28, 2012, 06:44 PM
He told us they were genetically inferior and were bad in general for a healthy herd.

That's exactly what my wife (PhD, genetic engineering) said when she read this thread over my shoulder. Albinos may be "cute" and "pets" of sorts, but they carry genes that are harmful to the gene pool of deer population if they manage to breed.

If you see an albino calf/fawn with a doe of normal color, the genetically best option is to shoot them both, to remove both sources of recessive albino gene from the population.

We had deer burgers for dinner tonight, my kids' favorite, and as usual I showed them a picture of where the meat came from. The reaction might be different if I showed them a picture of a "white bambi"... :scrutiny:

splattergun
November 28, 2012, 08:28 PM
The piebald effect is a sign of inbreeding. Definately not a healthy herd, considering there are about 8 of these 'rare' critters in that area. :what:

buck460XVR
November 28, 2012, 09:19 PM
Biologists claim that there is a 1 in 20000 chance of any deer being born albino. That means outta the 1.5 million deer running around in Wisconsin there should be about 75 or so of them statewide. There's a small herd of them in Northern Wisconsin(in the Boulder Junction area) that has become quite famous and are referred to as "the ghosts of the forests". There has been a book written and TV specials done on them. True albinos do not necessarily have pink eyes. Piebalds are not Albinos and are generally due to inbreeding. We have quite a few Piebalds on the Fort McCoy military base just down the road from here. The animals around the barracks and parade fields are safe from hunting and tend to not roam far from this protected area, hence they become inbred.

http://www.lakesuperiornews.com/portals/0/LSN%20Images/Outdoors/whitedeer.jpg


If you follow this youtube link you can see a video of a monster Albino buck filmed not far from here in the Bluffs and Coulee region. Monster Albino Buck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpL3RKrKqmU)

wombat13
November 29, 2012, 01:08 PM
The largest herd of white deer in the world is on the grounds of the old Seneca Army Depot. They aren't albino (because only their hair is white) but they are white and there are 200 of them (out of 800 deer on the site).

http://www.senecawhitedeer.org/

Zombiphobia
November 29, 2012, 02:54 PM
Those people are just jealous that an out of state hunter got their trophy, is my theory.

Patocazador
November 29, 2012, 03:29 PM
Biologists claim that there is a 1 in 20000 chance of any deer being born albino. That means outta the 1.5 million deer running around in Wisconsin there should be about 75 or so of them statewide. There's a small herd of them in Northern Wisconsin(in the Boulder Junction area) that has become quite famous and are referred to as "the ghosts of the forests". There has been a book written and TV specials done on them. True albinos do not necessarily have pink eyes. Piebalds are not Albinos and are generally due to inbreeding. We have quite a few Piebalds on the Fort McCoy military base just down the road from here. The animals around the barracks and parade fields are safe from hunting and tend to not roam far from this protected area, hence they become inbred.

http://www.lakesuperiornews.com/portals/0/LSN%20Images/Outdoors/whitedeer.jpg


If you follow this youtube link you can see a video of a monster Albino buck filmed not far from here in the Bluffs and Coulee region. Monster Albino Buck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpL3RKrKqmU)
True albinos have no pigment. Therefore, their eyes, noses and hooves look pink because the coloration of blood vessels show up in the areas not covered by hair and their eyes ARE always pink or some variation of it. If they have blue or grey eyes, they are not true albinos.

buck460XVR
November 29, 2012, 03:39 PM
True albinos have no pigment. Therefore, their eyes, noses and hooves look pink because the coloration of blood vessels show up in the areas not covered by hair and their eyes ARE always pink or some variation of it. If they have blue or grey eyes, they are not true albinos.

This excerpt is from an interview on Wisconsin Public Television during a show dedicated to herd the Manitowish Waters area. Altho I'm not a professor of genetic studies, I do tend to believe them.

I was always told that albino deer had to have pink eyes. I contacted a professor of genetic studies at the University of Minnesota who tried his best to educate me. The bottom line, he said there are many forms of albinism and pink eyes are a strong likelihood but not a necessity.

Generally they'll have pink ears, their noses will be pink and the eye of an albino deer will be either pink or light blue or light gray. They almost look like eyes of a goat.

Pink eyes or purple, because of the Wisconsin DNRs intent on the deer herd in the CWD zone where the deer in the OP was shot, I doubt very much if the locals will get any satisfaction from them.

303tom
November 29, 2012, 07:45 PM
If it has antlers I would shoot it, if not I would pass..............

ZeroJunk
November 29, 2012, 08:19 PM
As luck would have it I saw a little albino buck this afternoon. Only the second one I have ever seen. Really never considered shooting. They can't see very well and stand out like a sore thumb.

Texan Scott
November 29, 2012, 08:53 PM
I knew a petty officer who once, about sumrise after a really long night in Bahrain, was relieving himself in some sort of public fountain built into the wall of a building, when he was scared silly by the morning call to prayer blaring from the loudspeakers on the minaret directly overhead. He RAN.

Sometimes offending the locals is just not a good idea. Nobody likes a rude out- of- town guest.

huntsman
November 29, 2012, 09:18 PM
It's not like he shot the Great White Buffalo

Mamertine
November 29, 2012, 11:46 PM
I don't think I'd want to shoot it, just a personal thing.
I saw this one a few years ago in Wyoming.

Sorry it's not a great photo, but the antlers were very odd. It didn't have the fear of humans like the rest of the herd (who all moved on as our truck stopped). Plus all of the ranchers in the area seemed to like it. Kind of a novelty I suppose.

blarby
November 30, 2012, 12:25 AM
Fixed that'n for ya.

ZeroJunk
November 30, 2012, 02:00 AM
I don't think I'd want to shoot it, just a personal thing.
I saw this one a few years ago in Wyoming.

Sorry it's not a great photo, but the antlers were very odd. It didn't have the fear of humans like the rest of the herd (who all moved on as our truck stopped). Plus all of the ranchers in the area seemed to like it. Kind of a novelty I suppose.
I was around one quite a bit a few years ago and suspect the reason he didn't run is because he could not see you well enough to have any idea. I could come up on her from downwind to about 50 yards anytime.

Texan Scott
November 30, 2012, 02:11 AM
Probably a good thing you didn't shoot, Mamertine... that looks like a very expensive goat. :neener:

Mamertine
November 30, 2012, 06:44 PM
I was around one quite a bit a few years ago and suspect the reason he didn't run is because he could not see you well enough to have any idea. I could come up on her from downwind to about 50 yards anytime.

That would make sense, and I gather that with albinism there are often other genetic issues and eyesight could easily be one of them.

Thanks Blarby :)

WardenWolf
November 30, 2012, 09:21 PM
Albinos of all kinds tend to have very poor eyesight. I'm not 100% sure what the reason is, though I believe it has something to do with lack of dark pigment to absorb and retain light within the eyes. I know one albino whose eyesight is so bad that he can't drive even with glasses.

As beautiful as albino deer are, the best thing to do is shoot them. A rare "white stag" is not harmful, but actual albinism is. I doubt I would shoot a non-albino white deer, but I wouldn't think twice about shooting an albino if legal to do so.

cottswald
December 2, 2012, 09:25 PM
Take him! Much better death than at the hands of coyotes, which is where he's headed sooner rather than later.

a-sheepdog
December 3, 2012, 02:26 PM
My thoughts are that it would be an inferior gene in the deer that caused its appearance and would shoot it. I think that protecting the herd as a whole is more important than a few odd ball deer, especially if they have issues with chronic wasting disease. A true albino deer would have a lowered immune system and could be a carrier for many diseases. On the other hand, I would be thrilled to see a nice white buck, it would definitely make an unusual mount for the wall.

buck460XVR
December 3, 2012, 02:56 PM
The law in Wisconsin protecting Albino deer in the majority of the state is an archaic one. It has been around since the inception of hunting licenses. I assume it was one of those laws based on emotion and wives tales as were many of those laws back then and not on biology and genetics. The Albinos in the studied herds show to be no more suspect to disease and only slightly more suspect to predators as normal brown deer. I think the rarity of them and the thrill and excitement of actually being able to see one in the wild far surpasses any satisfaction of killing one. As for those in the CWD zone, I doubt if they are any more a threat than any other deer. The private land owners in that part of the state allow the access and the amount/types of deer shot on their land regardless of how many free permits the DNR hands out. The deer herd there today numbers very similar to what it was back when the disease was first discovered. The idea of eliminating the whole herd or reducing it to almost nuttin' in that area is ridiculous.

22250Rem
December 3, 2012, 05:55 PM
About 15 years ago my buddy had a piebald running around on his land. The thing was running around on the adjacent land too cause the property line ran right through the middle of acres of woods where the deer usually were. The guy who owned the other land didn't want to shoot it as he considered it some kind of neat thing to have around. So my buddy agreed no one on his side would shoot it either if it was on his property. I was hunting his woods and aware that I shouldn't shoot the piebald and one cold morning at first light I had that thing broadside to me at about 20 yards. So of course I let it go by, (it was alone) and two weeks later I hear it got killed by a vehicle on a two lane state road that goes by one side of both properties. Oh well... It was neat seeing it at first light because even in that dim light I spotted it way off in the woods where I normally wouldn't have seen a normal deer.

hq
December 4, 2012, 05:46 AM
There's a definite wow-factor in an unusual trophy, too. Unless otherwise agreed, I prefer to shoot game that's somehow unusual. For example, a couple of years ago, on a hunting trip to Africa I spotted a very light colored (not white, not albino) waterbuck, and even though I wasn't after one in the first place, that individual animal changed my plans and we managed to track it down in the course of 2-3 days.

That was worth it. The shoulder mount is the crown jewel of my (small) collection.

ApacheCoTodd
December 4, 2012, 06:08 PM
I would and in fact have passed on non-standards several times in the past but can't lay my standards of conduct on others nor do I judge their actions in scenarios like this against my own.

CajunBass
December 4, 2012, 06:20 PM
Our hunt club was told by the game warden to shoot any piebold or albino regardless of sex. He told us they were genetically inferior and were bad in general for a healthy herd.

Same here. They're pretty common where I used to hunt. I remember seeing one that looked like an Appaloosa horse years ago. First one I'd ever seen.

CraigC
December 4, 2012, 11:45 PM
Don't they taste the same???

RevGeo
December 5, 2012, 12:06 PM
Wasn't there an old Bob Newhart show episode wherein he killed the 'Sacred White Buck' with his car?

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