How do you guys like the S&W M&P15-22?


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kazaam
November 28, 2012, 09:27 PM
Seems to have great reviews. Any cons? Do they all come with the flash hider (looks so cool lol)? Best place to buy one?

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chris in va
November 28, 2012, 09:42 PM
Every owner at the range I attend loves theirs. That's all I can contribute.:cool:

kazaam
November 28, 2012, 10:00 PM
If you want you can also contribute some money to my cause since you talked me into buying the CZ! :D :eek:

TexAg
November 28, 2012, 10:06 PM
Love it! About 500 rounds so far and not one hiccup. Went shooting with it last Saturday and I think it's getting more accurate! My two oldest sons fired their first shots out of it too, very light with an adjustable stock makes it a great youth gun.
I got the magpul edition, with flash hider, but there are ones out there without a threaded barrel.

2nd 41
November 28, 2012, 10:19 PM
I'm considering a PC 15-22

DammitBoy
November 28, 2012, 10:37 PM
Bought one for my son's birthday - he loves it.

We put about 500 rounds through it it's first day without any issues. Great little gun.

gotigers
November 28, 2012, 10:49 PM
My 15-22 is reliable. It shoots everything I feed it. It shoots better than 1 inch at 25 yards. It is light weight and good trigger for an AR. It is a great squirrel rifle. I get plenty of squirrel head shots. I have it set up like my 3 gun AR. It makes 3 gun practice much cheaper.

Edit: my 12 year old daughter really likes this rifle.

jogar80
November 29, 2012, 12:57 AM
Mine is excellent. Accurate, very reliable, not a single malfunction since I got it a few years back. I'd say a few thousand rounds through it. Sooo much fun, I love it!

Quentin
November 29, 2012, 02:02 AM
My buddy has one and it works well. His does not have a flash hider. I have the Colt/Walther and we often take them out. They both love Federal and Winchester value pack from Walmart - and both have feeding problems with Remington Golden Bullet (which I think S&W says to avoid in the manual). The price is right, too.

BearGriz
November 29, 2012, 02:08 AM
I like mine with a slidefire stock. I also have its discontinued little brother: the 15-22P! Both are great fun.

henschman
November 29, 2012, 02:36 AM
In my experience as an Appleseed Shoot Boss, I have seen way too many extractors break on them to ever consider buying one. I think a dedicated .22 AR-15 upper is a much better way to go.

jdh
November 29, 2012, 12:33 PM
They do not all have the flash suppressor. Some states do not allow their citizens to have that feature.

inkinskin
November 29, 2012, 03:07 PM
I love mine!! Try budsgunshop.com or find one used.

gotigers
November 29, 2012, 03:44 PM
In my experience as an Appleseed Shoot Boss, I have seen way too many extractors break on them to ever consider buying one. I think a dedicated .22 AR-15 upper is a much better way to go.

First i've heard of that. I know the early models had issues with Remington ammo, but otherwise, i don't know anyone having issues with any recent models nor have i read of it. I've shot mine a lot and hundreds of rounds in a few hours and it just keeps going.

kazaam
November 29, 2012, 07:17 PM
Should I pay the extra money for the MOE version?

meanmrmustard
November 29, 2012, 08:07 PM
It's ok. I was going to get one...til I shot a Sig 522. Better in nearly every aspect of the "tac" .22 game.

Tempest 455
November 29, 2012, 08:12 PM
I borrowed a buddy's and liked it so much, I'm buying one. Comes in next week. Here is my son shooting it. I like the look where he is like, "it's empty already"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpRVNiUgcCw

heavydluxe
November 29, 2012, 08:18 PM
I can't speak to the extractor issue mentioned above. I would take that under advisement if people are seeing failures at Appleseeds.

Everyone I've talked to speaks of them as the most fun they have shooting *and* exceptionally reliable. I saw a thread on another forum (google "carbon pudding") showing a 15-22 that has had a *ton* of rounds through it without major failure or cleaning. Probably not typical, but...


The only 'negative' thing I have heard mentioned about them is that most people I've talked to wouldn't call them 'accurate' compared to other semiauto .22 rifles in their collection. I'm not sure how to quantify that, so YMMV.

primalmu
November 29, 2012, 08:23 PM
After handling them I'm not impressed with the all polymer construction. For nearly $500 I would expect at least the upper receiver to be metal.

R.W.Dale
November 29, 2012, 08:46 PM
Mines been a veritable blast. The kids love it, I love it, it holds 2" or so at 100 on a calm day and runs on anything roughly 22lr that will go off.

First thread pic

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/2012-11-22165417-1.jpg




posted via that mobile app with the sig lines everyone complaints about

kazaam
November 29, 2012, 09:08 PM
Nice pic!!! How do you guys like the SIG 522 (mentioned above) versus this? I suppose they're not really the same thing, though. Basically I just want a fun .22 rifle. Almost 100% sure I'm gonna get the 15-22 MOE, but it never hurts to look around. Thanks all!

trueg50
November 29, 2012, 09:25 PM
Superbly designed, very light, and a blast to shoot. Just watch you magazine loading, make sure the cartridges are fully seated to the rear of the magazine.

TexAg
November 29, 2012, 09:37 PM
The extractor issue seems to be from the earliest models. If you peruse a forum dedicated to the 15-22 you won't find much mention of it in the last year or more.
I went MOE because I had plans on getting an M&P Sport and wanted to play with some of the furniture, and I did, the Sport and the 15-22 traded stocks.

Walkalong
November 29, 2012, 09:40 PM
I have shot a friends M&P 15-22 and it is a great shooter. A bit on the light side, but that isn't a big issue.

gotigers
November 29, 2012, 09:49 PM
The only 'negative' thing I have heard mentioned about them is that most people I've talked to wouldn't call them 'accurate' compared to other semiauto .22 rifles in their collection. I'm not sure how to quantify that, so YMMV.

My 15-22 is more accurate that the factory 10/22's i've shot and is equal to or better than my early 80's mod 60.

sig228
November 29, 2012, 09:52 PM
Had one but sold it. I had the MOE model. I put a brick of 22 through it. Although it was 100% reliable, and certainly a lot of fun and cheap to shoot, it felt cheap, almost toyish. The "bolt" seemed very flimsy, not sure how they hold up after a few thousand rounds. I would rather shoot 100 rounds through a real AR vs 500 through the M&P 15-22. Sorry but I don't buy the "training" argument, just shoot the real thing. The recoil from a 223 round is pretty mild anyway. If you want a varmint rifle, buy a Ruger 10/22 for half the cost. I just wasn't impressed by it.

gotigers
November 30, 2012, 08:33 AM
The training thing comes down to cost for me. I shoot 3 gun and a few other events. Shooting that much 223 with todays prices is hard to take. During training, the 15-22 is just a filler that that allows me to keep my muscle memory, trigger pulls, stances, movements as i would if i were in a match. I can get a lot of trigger time at a fraction of the cost. I can shoot 500 rounds of 22 for ~$18 vs $175 for 223.

It is much lighter, that is the only negative as a trainer for me. In 3 gun, weight isn't a big deal. I carry the AR for just a few seconds each stage.

When my 12 year old daughter and i shoot, the lighter 15-22 is the only AR she'll shoot without a bench. She loves the 15-22.

henschman
November 30, 2012, 12:26 PM
My friend, a fellow Appleseed instructor, had one that the extractor failed on during its first time at an Appleseed (as a loaner). He sent it back and it broke again. Then they supposedly gave it some kind of upgrade with improved parts, but it still broke. I would say it was just a lemon, but it happened to another 2 M&P .22s on the line at different events. I don't know whether they were old or new ones.

kazaam
November 30, 2012, 12:53 PM
My friend, a fellow Appleseed instructor, had one that the extractor failed on during its first time at an Appleseed (as a loaner). He sent it back and it broke again. Then they supposedly gave it some kind of upgrade with improved parts, but it still broke. I would say it was just a lemon, but it happened to another 2 M&P .22s on the line at different events. I don't know whether they were old or new ones.
Yikes, that sounds foreboding.

gotigers
November 30, 2012, 01:22 PM
Sorry, i have a hard time with that story. Not calling anyone out, but i have not heard of any issues with the 15-22 after the first models. I know there were issues, but they were isolated and with the first models. The Remington ammo issue was widespread, but that was more to do with Remington ammo.

I read a lot of forums, including S&W, Rimfirecentral and many others. I have not seen any reports of widespread issues. Nor have i seen issues at the range. I know bad parts get out of quality control for all companies, but this is news to me.

When did these issues happen? What models were they? When were they manufactured? Did you see the issues first hand?

Edit: spelling

R.W.Dale
November 30, 2012, 01:32 PM
I agree.

With a platform that's gone as mainstream and widespread as the 15/22 has (I call it the new 10/22) any widespread shortcomings would be well known and widely discussed.




posted via that mobile app with the sig lines everyone complaints about

arizona98tj
November 30, 2012, 02:47 PM
I got a very early one....and ultimately the extractor failed. S&W paid shipping both ways to fix it and included a new magazine on the return trip. Never had a bit of problem with it since. I've introduced several teenagers to shooting using mine....after the first magazine, they are hooked. Next on the list are my grandkids....in a few more years.

If you want to know how well they work (or don't), go to the 15-22 area on the S&W forum. As we all know, folks are much more prone to complain about something on a forum.

gp911
November 30, 2012, 02:55 PM
My cousin loves his and uses it with his young sons as a trainer. No issues so far and he's put several bricks of ammo through it.

CraigC
November 30, 2012, 03:47 PM
They are fairly well reputed but I don't particularly care for them. They are nearly all plastic and really light....too light. I don't necessarily think they're poorly made but they definitely "feel" cheap to me. IMHO, the SIG 522 is superior in every way and that is why I ordered one this week.

chuckles
November 30, 2012, 03:57 PM
I solved the 15-22 vs the SiG 522 by getting both. My 15-22 is at this moment at my local gun shop being threaded and a flash suppressor installed. Got mine at WM and it came with a plain barrel. I removed the factory sights and installed MBUS flip-ups, a Mako stock and a BCM grip. I'm very pleased with it. Not one problem, about 475 rounds down range.

Ragnar Danneskjold
November 30, 2012, 04:26 PM
I got one over the summer and I absolutely love it. I've put probably around 3,000 rounds through it at this point and had zero problems. It's an amazing training rifle. You can work combat carbine fundamentals all day long on $20 worth of ammo. This rifle has already paid for itself and more in saved ammo costs vs. buying 5.56. Even if it were to completely break today, I'd still be in the black money wise from not having to buy $1000 worth of 5.56.

Grassman
November 30, 2012, 05:50 PM
I've had mine for about a year now, and love it. I've got the threaded barrel w/ Magpul sights model, and hope to suppress it when I can afford the stamp. It's a nice little shooter, really fun (and isn't that what it's all about?) Yes it's light, that's what makes it fun. I've not had one single problem. I like it better than my 10/22, but with the accuracy nod going to the 10/22.

kazaam
November 30, 2012, 09:35 PM
Question...i freakin loved how quiet the Henry Goldenboy was, will the 15-22 be as quiet?

gotigers
December 1, 2012, 06:34 AM
Probably not. The sound of the action alone wil be louder.

Hacker15E
December 1, 2012, 08:04 AM
I think the 15-22 is a little more fun to shoot than the 10/22, but my Ruger is still in essentially bone-stock carbine condition (with Tech Sights).

birdshooter
December 1, 2012, 09:20 AM
I love mine. I've had it a couple (3?) years. I bought it before they had flash hiders. I had to return mine to Smith because it fired out of battery. They changed a spring or something and its been perfect since.

I've shot somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000 rounds including over 1,000 in two days with no cleaning while shooting prairie dogs. I would highly recommend one.

This summer I got a wild hair and painted mine.

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t445/birdshooter1/4163e10d.jpg

rdefabri
December 5, 2012, 06:36 PM
My next purchase will be the M&P15-22...hoping before Christmas!

urbaneruralite
December 5, 2012, 10:18 PM
I thought mine was awesome. Then it went auto and sent the ejector across the yard somewhere. It's a known issue with them. S&W doesn't ask questions. They just pay for shipping and fix it up for you. So, wear safety glasses and deal with the down time or buy a CMMG.

C-grunt
December 5, 2012, 10:27 PM
My brother in law has one of the pistol versions. Fun gun and he hasn't had any real problems with it. Though his is picky with some ammo.

sleepyone
December 5, 2012, 10:52 PM
i love mine too. very accurate. holds a lot of ammo and the whole family can shoot it.

Ragnar Danneskjold
December 6, 2012, 04:38 AM
I thought mine was awesome. Then it went auto and sent the ejector across the yard somewhere. It's a known issue with them. S&W doesn't ask questions. They just pay for shipping and fix it up for you. So, wear safety glasses and deal with the down time or buy a CMMG.

Hm. I've put another 750 rounds through mine just since I wrote my first post in this thread and still never had even one single issue of any kind.

meanmrmustard
December 6, 2012, 08:17 AM
I thought mine was awesome. Then it went auto and sent the ejector across the yard somewhere. It's a known issue with them. S&W doesn't ask questions. They just pay for shipping and fix it up for you. So, wear safety glasses and deal with the down time or buy a CMMG.
The Sig 522, in my experience, is a more reliable rifle. You should check those out as well.

I could only shake my head at the gents clearing malfs at the range with the 15-22, and I haven't missed mine. Normally, I'm proud to own any Smith product...the 15-22 isn't one of them.

gotigers
December 6, 2012, 08:26 AM
Edit: Nevermind. This horse is beat.

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