Fighting the Urge


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rduchateau2954
November 29, 2012, 12:03 AM
Went and checked out a new to me gun store today and in talking to a guy behind the counter about carry guns he pulls up his sweatshirt to reveal a full size 1911 at 3 o'clock. I was shocked, I never saw a bulge. Even after I knew it was there I couldn't see it.

I have been holding off on buying a carry gun because I just don't like little polymer guns or hammerless snubs. They just don't do anything for me, but here was this guy successfully carrying a freaking 1911.

Then he breaks out the dagger, a new Springfield 1911. I pretty much had to run out of the store to save my wallet.

I want it... soo bad... must fight urges...

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ColtPythonElite
November 29, 2012, 12:09 AM
Sure, carrying a full size can be done, but sooner or later the carrier usually looks for something smaller.

Old Dog
November 29, 2012, 12:15 AM
Uh ... I have been carrying full-sized 1911s now for goin' on 30 years ... And have, at one time or another, successfully carried concealed full-size Beretta 92FS pistols, SIG P226s ... I am not the only one here who believes that you don't have to go small, nor is it the usual progression ...

OP, go buy your new 1911! Put it on a credit card ... 'cause the world is gonna end in a few weeks anyway!

DammitBoy
November 29, 2012, 12:17 AM
I carry a full size 1911

Sergei Mosin
November 29, 2012, 12:20 AM
Don't fight it. Give in. You know you want to carry the 1911. You know you can carry the 1911. Do it for yourself. Do it for the children. Do it...for John Moses Browning!

gym
November 29, 2012, 12:24 AM
You can get used to anything if your chose to. It's a matter of how much you want it, and if you have the disipline to endure the first 6 months carrying it until it becomes part of you.
As long as you don't have a back problem or other skeletal defect, you will adapt to any gun.

Inebriated
November 29, 2012, 12:27 AM
I find the weight/capacity ratio of the 1911 to be... terrible... and I hate safeties.





But damn they carry wonderfully. So thin, and with a good holster, it stays very tight to the body. If you're ok walking around with 9 rounds of .45 in a 2lb package (not to say 9 isn't enough, just a point), go for it!

rduchateau2954
November 29, 2012, 12:30 AM
Ahh you guys aren't helping! I don't need to buy another gun!!

And I don't need a CC, I have cash ;) and an SKS to possibly trade if the price is right. They have a half a dozen random SKSs going for $350-$450 and mine is in better shape then most of what they have.

Plus they have a used single six, a half a dozen different mausers, and an 1851 Navy Colt that were all undressing my bank account with their eyes.

:uhoh:

But lets say I was looking for a 1911, (not that I am of course:cool:) what models would you fine folks recommend?

Whacked
November 29, 2012, 12:31 AM
You do know that if you dont buy it now, you WILL be kicking yourself later?

rduchateau2954
November 29, 2012, 12:33 AM
You do know that if you dont buy it now, you WILL be kicking yourself later?
Why?

Is there a great 1911 migration going down that I don't know about?

Old Dog
November 29, 2012, 12:35 AM
But lets say I was looking for a 1911, (not that I am of course) what models would you fine folks recommend? Well ... you did say it was a Springfield ...

The TRP is a great pistol; but seriously, you can't go wrong with a Loaded, a Champion, a Black Stainless or even a Mil-Spec ... Then there's the Micro-Compact and the EMP. Just do what I did ... buy one of each ...

Even the RIAs are decent entry-level 1911s ... Colts ... Kimbers ...

Inebriated
November 29, 2012, 12:43 AM
But lets say I was looking for a 1911, (not that I am of course) what models would you fine folks recommend?

It's all about budget.

*Prices may be off, been a while since I was 1911 shopping*
$500? RIA is about the only way to go. I believe 9mmepiphany or Sam1911 one said that RIA's are about the only ones they'd seen make it through a full class without malfunction.
A little more, and Springfield has some great models. The Ruger is also a good'n.
$1000? Sig, Colt, Springfield, Kimber I believe is about that point.
Too much more than that, and you're getting into the realm where you know exactly what you want and you're probably paying for that.

Sergei Mosin
November 29, 2012, 12:52 AM
Choosing 1911 is easy. Choosing a 1911 for yourself, now, that's something else entirely. What size? What caliber? What features? What budget? The options are virtually limitless.

DammitBoy
November 29, 2012, 12:57 AM
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8066/8229018236_83032eda85.jpg

I'm partial to these. Because 14 rounds is better than 7 rounds all day long...

Also less than $800.00 new

allaroundhunter
November 29, 2012, 01:06 AM
Colt Combat Commander (.38 Super)

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g335/ddirks22/2012-10-05234702.jpg

rduchateau2954
November 29, 2012, 01:08 AM
Well, the springfield was $700 stickered. I was comfortable with that. $1000 is a bit too high atm but I could always just wait a couple weeks.

I have enough play money to look into the $1500 range but:

- I have another $100 worth of christmas shopping to do.
- The TV in my living room is 6 yrs old
- I have to keep a "something goes boom" cushion

So right this moment my max price would be about $800. If I waited a month or so I could bump that up another $400-$500.

I don't have brand loyalty. I am not sure how I feel about Taurus, but I'm not set in any mindset.

Honestly, if I'm gonna get my first 1911, it's gotta be a .45.

DammitBoy
November 29, 2012, 01:12 AM
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8229018940_6ceb4c3c9e.jpg

I bought this last week for $748.00 new

Inebriated
November 29, 2012, 01:14 AM
To me, $800 is about all I need invested into a 1911. Maybe up to $900.

For that, you can get plenty of nice Sigs, Springfields, Paras, and a few Colts. Your choice will just depend on features and looks.

allaroundhunter
November 29, 2012, 01:18 AM
I don't have brand loyalty. I am not sure how I feel about Taurus, but I'm not set in any mindset.

Honestly, if I'm gonna get my first 1911, it's gotta be a .45.

I would skip the Taurus, and if I was to buy a 1911 it would be a .45 as well. I own the .38 Super Colt because when my grandfather passed away he left it to me. It is a great shooter, and I enjoy carrying it, but if I am going to buy another it will be a .45 without a doubt.

With your budget in mind, I would go for a Springfield Loaded.

351 WINCHESTER
November 29, 2012, 01:27 AM
You're going to need a good holster and a real gunbelt. The biggest problem with a 1911 is it's weight. You will probably benefit from a good pair of hd suspenders too. After a while you'll probably ditch it in favor of something a little lighter.

KAS1981
November 29, 2012, 01:31 AM
I paid $795 for my Sig XO 1911, and I like it much more than other choices around that price......Kimber Custom II, Ruger, Springfield.

If you can get passed the Sig profile slide and external extractor, they make a fantastic 1911.

rduchateau2954
November 29, 2012, 01:33 AM
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8229018940_6ceb4c3c9e.jpg

I bought this last week for $748.00 new
Ooo lookit the shiney!

rduchateau2954
November 29, 2012, 01:35 AM
I would skip the Taurus, and if I was to buy a 1911 it would be a .45 as well. I own the .38 Super Colt because when my grandfather passed away he left it to me. It is a great shooter, and I enjoy carrying it, but if I am going to buy another it will be a .45 without a doubt.

With your budget in mind, I would go for a Springfield Loaded.
I am not knocking the .38 in anyway. I plan on owning more than several 1911s before I kick the bucket. I am not a die hard .45 guy, but we're talking my first 1911, I gotta go .45.

CatManDo
November 29, 2012, 01:43 AM
So what's wrong with a Taurus; they have a life time warranty and are reasonably priced.

rduchateau2954
November 29, 2012, 01:45 AM
You're going to need a good holster and a real gunbelt. The biggest problem with a 1911 is it's weight. You will probably benefit from a good pair of hd suspenders too. After a while you'll probably ditch it in favor of something a little lighter.
I'm not doubting you here but if I go 1911 I can get what I want that will do what I need.

I am not sure how you guys are with guns, but for me certain guns talk to me. The Beretta 92fs, the 1911, 6" blued ruger and s&w revolvers, etc.

All the polymer guns, snubbies, and pocket pistols I've handled don't talk to me. They are simply a tool. There is nothing wrong with that, tools are a necessity, but spending a chuck of coin on a tool when the talking guns aren't in my collection hasn't been an easy thing to think about.

rduchateau2954
November 29, 2012, 01:47 AM
So what's wrong with a Taurus; they have a life time warranty and are reasonably priced.
Nothing I've personally experienced, but the talk I've observed is that the quality is hit or miss. It's either great or garbage. Maybe it's just talk, maybe it's not. I haven't done any research for myself.

Agsalaska
November 29, 2012, 01:50 AM
Not to derail the thread, but I have a snub nose Taurus 38 that is ridiculously accurate. Far more accurate than it is engineered to be. Its probably a fluke but everyone who has ever shot it says the same thing.

1911 guy
November 29, 2012, 06:39 AM
I'll admit that carrying a 1911 isn't as "easy" as carrying a pocket gun. But it's slim enough that when you finally commit to carrying a real handgun* the 1911 is a natural contender in the top of the list.

Make sure the pistol actually fits your hands, then get one that has a good track record. This would include RIA, Springfield, Colt, Wesson or any number of the semi-custom makers like Brown and Wilson. I have zero personal axperience with the Taurus, but have heard mostly good about them. My personal favorites are the RIA due to reliability and cost and the Springfields due to being a well made pistol at a decent price. Colt makes a good 1911 but demand too much just because there's a pony on the rollmark. Stick with either a 5" or 4.25" barrel. A lot of the sawed off models have issues. Like being an expensive boat anchor issues.

Avoid Para Ordnance. Looks nice in the box, that's about where the niceness ends. Some have had luck with them, I have not. Also had zero assistance from their C.S. when I contacted them.

Just get a good gunbelt and holter. I like the Wilderness Instructor belt and prefer the five stitch model. There's too many good holster makers to even try to mention them by name. Just avoid the Uncle Mikes garbage and the like. Good for knocking around, stinks for carrying concealed.

*"Real handgun is defined as a handgun in a serviceable caliber, 9mm and up in autoloaders, .327 Federal and up in revolvers. Frame size not too small to be comfortable to shoot for extended periods of time. Controls are useable, not vestigial sheet metal tabs protruding from the side of the handgun. Sights are useable as well, not nubs on top of the slide.

youngda9
November 29, 2012, 09:36 AM
Best start with a great belt...a 1911 is a heavy firearm, a full sized 1911 is heavier yet.

TAKtical
November 29, 2012, 09:42 AM
I carry a full size 1911 or glock every day IWB.

Elkins45
November 29, 2012, 10:50 AM
... and I hate safeties.

Have you tried a Para Ordinance LDA? It's a fantastic choice for people who like the 1911 platform but are uncomfortable with Condition 1 carry.

DammitBoy
November 29, 2012, 11:35 AM
Ooo lookit the shiney!

Here is some extra-shiney...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8064/8229017896_f49a9a0e58.jpg

This one speaks to me. :D

bannockburn
November 29, 2012, 11:45 AM
If you want to go with something a little more comfortable to carry in a full size M1911, try looking for a Colt Lightweight Government. Usually I prefer a Commander size pistol for CCW, but when I tried the Lightweight Government I really liked the balance of the gun and how well it felt in my hand.

PabloJ
November 29, 2012, 12:56 PM
Went and checked out a new to me gun store today and in talking to a guy behind the counter about carry guns he pulls up his sweatshirt to reveal a full size 1911 at 3 o'clock. I was shocked, I never saw a bulge. Even after I knew it was there I couldn't see it.

I have been holding off on buying a carry gun because I just don't like little polymer guns or hammerless snubs. They just don't do anything for me, but here was this guy successfully carrying a freaking 1911.

Then he breaks out the dagger, a new Springfield 1911. I pretty much had to run out of the store to save my wallet.

I want it... soo bad... must fight urges...
I would have zero problem walking away from Springfield 1911. The ONLY 1911 I would buy is "standard length barrel" short grip Detonics 'Streetmaster'. It's entirely possible certain Performance Center S&W would also get across my doorstep.

ku4hx
November 29, 2012, 01:09 PM
I've carried an S&W 1006 on and off since circa 1990 and as far as I can tell nobody knows it's there unless I choose to show them. But I'm a big guy and I dress for the occasion.

As to holsters, we're all different, but I've got more holsters than guns with no less than three for each handgun I own; it's just the nature of the beast. As far as I'm concerned, if you plan to carry you're going to collect holsters a lot faster than you going to collect guns.

BP Hunter
November 29, 2012, 01:15 PM
I have had my Taurus PT1911 for many years and and has gone through thousands of flawless rounds. I carry it occasionally. But it has spent many years in a holster and the bluing is turning into stainless.:D

Certaindeaf
November 29, 2012, 02:00 PM
People have been conceal carrying 1911's for a very long time. They are one of the best if not the best for conceal carry as they are about the slimmest of full-size guns. Same goes for the Hi-Power.

Certaindeaf
November 29, 2012, 02:09 PM
Best start with a great belt...a 1911 is a heavy firearm, a full sized 1911 is heavier yet.
I always thought a 1911 was a full-size three pounder unless otherwise qualified.

el Godfather
November 29, 2012, 03:39 PM
1911 slim profile is ideal, full size or commander size.
I carry H&K USP 45 mostly when carrying a 45. I do it for shear capacity sake.

Like the OLD DOG said buy it before the world end. Heck buy one of each kind.

Skylerbone
November 29, 2012, 04:40 PM
I like 1911s. Carry one on occasion. What speaks to me in a holstered firearm is reliability, concealabity, carry ability, shootability and accuracy.

Here's the $319 solution I dug up to meet those criteria:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=167507&d=1341375471

It's nearly a pound lighter, trigger is great, accurate as I am and thus far completely reliable. Contemplate what you want in a 1911 then make your list and budget. At that point you can determine which specific models should meet your needs. Then we can haggle over which has the best warranty, is flawless, tighter, more accurate and dispenses M&Ms magically. Until then stock up on essentials including family time.

Ky Larry
November 29, 2012, 06:12 PM
For years I carried a full size Kimber Custon Defender II in an IWB Gould and Goodrich holster with an Aker belt. In the last year, I've started carrying my CZ PCR 9mm in an Aker IWB holster.I love the look, feel, and function of Ol' Slab Side but it just got too heavy.

Urban_Redneck
November 29, 2012, 06:28 PM
The Springfield Range Officer can be had for $800

http://www.handgunsmag.com/files/2011/08/range-officer-1-300x200.jpg

:cool:

fredg
November 29, 2012, 08:52 PM
I carry a full size 1911 cocked and locked in this holster:

Bianchi Black Widow
http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/Prod.php?TxtModelID=5

It rides high and very tight to the body. As been said, a good thick heavy gun belt is a must.

I was at my sons house the other day with only a slightly loose t-shirt and he didn't even know I was carrying. Of course I was just standing and walking around, he would have probably seen it if I sat down, but he would have to be looking for it.

If I am in a gun unfriendly area I will wear a button up shirt over the t-shirt so I can bend and move freely without worry.

rduchateau2954
November 30, 2012, 09:47 AM
Looking at 1911s and every one I clicked on was sold out.

Stupid panic, I'm gonna have to make the rounds at the gun stores.

rduchateau2954
November 30, 2012, 11:05 AM
Wow the selection is insane!

With a limit of $800 the possibilities are endless. What features are better than others, what should I look for? What finish holds up better against holster wear?

I'm like a kid in a candy store, but I only have enough for one piece!!

As far as candy goes, this one gives my eyes high blood sugar.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411538986/Rock+Island+Armory+1911+45ACP+2+Tone

DammitBoy
November 30, 2012, 11:55 AM
Stainless will hold up best, and for $800 I'd go with the Ruger SR1911 for the win. It is built better than the money you spend on it. I've seen 1911's with a msrp of over $1000 that were not this nice.

The only problems you'll have finding one and stopping people from drooling on it...

Skylerbone
November 30, 2012, 02:05 PM
What features are better than others, what should I look for?

Reliability.


That comes from things fitting correctly. Not a standard feature on every 1911 these days. I still say consider saving a bit more before rushing in.

MachIVshooter
November 30, 2012, 02:29 PM
I have enough play money to look into the $1500 range but:

- I have another $100 worth of christmas shopping to do.
- The TV in my living room is 6 yrs old
- I have to keep a "something goes boom" cushion

I hate to discourage anyone from buying a frearm, and I don't know what your living situation and expenses are, but if $1,500 is all the liquid funds you have available, I'd strongly recommend waiting. Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm just trying to impart a little hard-earned wisdom. In my younger years, I spent every dime I had and then some. I'm 31 now, and after having to sell many things at a loss, going through a bankruptcy and nearly losing my home, I know better than to leave myself with a pittance of a reserve.

It would sure suck to buy that new $800 1911, only to have your transmssion go out a week later or some other unforseen hardship befall you and have to sell it quickly for $200-$300 less than you paid.

777TRUTH
November 30, 2012, 07:25 PM
I've carried large frame guns in the passed and it can work.

Unfortunately the older I get the more I want a lighter gun.

orionengnr
November 30, 2012, 09:17 PM
Sure, carrying a full size can be done, but sooner or later the carrier usually looks for something smaller.
My experience, and the majority of the posts I read, seem to indicate the opposite...at least in the long term.

Some people (myself included) start out with what they have (in my case, a G23). Many trend smaller initially, as I did (a string of j-frames and Kel-Tecs) before experimenting with larger pistols.

--I no longer own a j-frame. The only revolvers I own are K-and N-frames, which I carry from time to time.
--I still love my Kahr PM9, but my Kahr P45 gets more carry time by far.
--I am down from four 3" alloy 1911s to one, and have a couple of Commander-sized 1911s, which I carry more than everything else put together.

AnthonyRSS
November 30, 2012, 09:32 PM
I'm heavier now, but for years I carried a full size 1911 when I was 6'0 165lbs. Concealed. A good holster and belt make all the difference in the world. Now its mostly a lw commander sized. The weight makes a bigger difference than the size. The slimness of the 1911 makes it easy to carry.

Carrying a gun needn't be comfortable, but it should be comforting.

MachIVshooter
November 30, 2012, 11:46 PM
Carrying a gun needn't be comfortable

Uh, yes it should be. For the extreme majority of folks, if carrying is too uncomfortable or too great an incumbrance, they'll abandon the lifestyle.

If the only gun I had to carry was a full size, I wouldn't carry it very often.

Sergei Mosin
December 1, 2012, 09:41 AM
I feel like I've really arrived at THR now that somebody is quoting me in their signature. :D

EddieNFL
December 1, 2012, 09:19 PM
Sure, carrying a full size can be done, but sooner or later the carrier usually looks for something smaller.
Yep. Going on four decades and I expect it to happen any day now.

rduchateau2954
December 2, 2012, 01:11 AM
I feel like I've really arrived at THR now that somebody is quoting me in their signature. :D
haha I kept going back to your post and it makes me laugh everytime.

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