pietta 1860 london model?


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jason41987
November 30, 2012, 02:14 AM
hmm, noticed cabelas was selling an 1860 london model... had a steel backstrap and trigger guard of the correct navy profile... did some researching online and i actually did find a couple 1860s imported into the UK by colt that appeared to have navy grips... so though rare, may have existed... however, i heard it wasnt uncommon to put navy grips on an 1860 anyway in the 19th century... so this is what i ordered from cabelas.. im thinking i might antique the finish though.. with the steel grip frame it should look REALLY nice with the antiqued finish

also.. standard 1860 armies just dropped in price, only $180 at cabelas for a steel one... mine cost $70 more... but i would pay that much alone on a new backstrap, and another $50 for a trigger guard if i were to switch the grips over myself.. which is something i would have done, so this will save me some money

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unknwn
November 30, 2012, 09:22 AM
I purchased mine a couple of months ago for the same reason. The grip frame and grip wood is NOT the usual Pietta '51 profile but a more original design without the belling of the grip base that all the normal (for Pietta) Navy grip frames come with. I wish I could find some sort of London,England something-or-other to embed into the grip panels, but.....
The jet black steel triggerguard & backstrap finally sealed the deal for me though. It's just an unusual gun comparatively, even as it comes from the box. If I could be certain that the .36 would have the matching grip frame I'd be tempted to add one of them to the collected display.
Too bad the wood wasn't as figured as I'd have liked (or in my case-at ALL !) , but I guess you can't have everything.
I went and spent the savings from my sale price discount on a '51 Marshall half-fluted cylinder and had it professionally blued. What a difference !
I'm in the process of mating a '51 shoulder stock to mine. Matching the wood to metal between the gun grips and the stock & then getting the wood stained to my satisfaction is where I'm at with it right now (along with blackening the brass of the shoulder stock).
I'll try and post (my first) pics when it is all said and done.
Enjoy your London , as a .44 it's almost really a Pietta fantasy , but I like mine enough to have spent a lot of extra time and treasure on it to make it MY special fantasy 1860 London.

ozarkguy
November 30, 2012, 11:07 AM
I can tell you that Cabelas 1851 London Navy has a different grip design than their regular 51 Navy. I bought one last year and it is great. Does not have that flared out bottom to the grip like the regular Navy's. The 51 London looks exactly like it's pictured in Cabela's description. Got mine last year for $249.99 and also had a $20 rebate. It too was $70 more than their regular 51 but I really liked the blued steel grip frame and trigger guard. I've been tempted by that 1860 London as well, and $219.88 is a good price along with the current $20 rebate.

Tommygunn
November 30, 2012, 12:01 PM
I have both the Pietta 1851 Navy London version and the 1860 Army London version and both are nice looking guns.

I can tell you that Cabelas 1851 London Navy has a different grip design than their regular 51 Navy. I bought one last year and it is great. Does not have that flared out bottom to the grip like the regular Navy's.

True, it seems to be a more faithful grip shape.


It seems to date I have collected most every iteration of the Pietta Navy Colt there is.
Squareback TG, silver plated TG and BS, regular brass TG & BS and blued steel TG & BS.
And several of the armies as well, the half-fluted cylinder (which actually DID exist -- it was available as a special order from Colt) the full-fluted version (a Uberti version), the weathered "antiqued look" version, and the regular version as well.

Fingers McGee
November 30, 2012, 01:00 PM
You have a link to that 1860 London model?

jason41987
November 30, 2012, 01:01 PM
hmm, yeah, this is an 1860 london, not 1851 london, it does use the same grip frame though, just installed on an 1860 army instead

its from cabelas, if you type "1860 london" into their search youd get it

Tommygunn
November 30, 2012, 01:49 PM
Use this link:


http://www.cabelas.com/product/Pietta-1860-London-44-Caliber-Revolver/1320141.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3D1860%2Blondon%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts%26x%3D10%26y%3D6&Ntt=1860+london&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products

Hoof Hearted
November 30, 2012, 02:48 PM
MAN I wish that pistol was a Civilian three screw instead of a four (or five) screw military frame:banghead:

HH

jason41987
November 30, 2012, 04:39 PM
4 or 5 screw? are you referring to the screw for the shoulder stock found on military models?

1KPerDay
November 30, 2012, 04:49 PM
Looks to me like it has the Navy grip frame. Interesting.

jason41987
November 30, 2012, 06:37 PM
yeah 1k.. thats the grip frame pietta uses on the 1851 navy london model, so its the correct navy profile too and not piettas typical "flared" grip profile... i ordered one already, i can give a review once i get it

Fingers McGee
November 30, 2012, 07:44 PM
I'd prefer the three screw model that isn't cut for the shoulder stock myself; but the cut frame was the standard 1860 frame.

Hoof Hearted
November 30, 2012, 08:35 PM
Yea, you're with me there Fingers.......
I had heard there wa a "civilian" model made by Pietta and marketed by Cabela's (they are the largest Pietta dealer), or maybe I was just dreaming:cool:

jason41987
November 30, 2012, 08:47 PM
hmm... could probably get a threaded bolt to fit in there with some locktite.. then cut off the bolt head and polish it smooth, blue over it and not have a giant screw sticking out.. just a thought

ozarkguy
December 1, 2012, 07:38 AM
Yea, you're with me there Fingers.......
I had heard there wa a "civilian" model made by Pietta and marketed by Cabela's (they are the largest Pietta dealer), or maybe I was just dreaming:cool:
Hoof, you are correct, Cabela's did list a 3 screw 1860 Civilian a few weeks ago. I think it was priced around $249 to $269, can't remember exactly. Don't see it listed now.

Hoof Hearted
December 1, 2012, 08:49 AM
Hoof, you are correct, Cabela's did list a 3 screw 1860 Civilian a few weeks ago. I think it was priced around $249 to $269, can't remember exactly. Don't see it listed now.
Damn..........always a day or dollar short!

unknwn
December 1, 2012, 09:28 AM
A couple of weeks ago I was putting together an order for Dixie and contacted them especially about getting some "plug" style of bolt? to fit the extra holes in my 1860 Pietta frame.
I asked for a part number that wouldn't stand so proud from flush of the frame surface.
Well, I was instructed to use a particular number, and I even explained again that I didn't want some of the same as what came with the gun and was assurred that these were much more "flush" than the one's that were supplied with my gun.
So, $7.00 for the pair later, I now have an extra set of the parts that exactly match the originals AND are distinctly what I was trying to avoid.
So much for trusting that the "experts" at the company know what they are talking about.
Right now I am looking for the most economical source for proper threading tools to get my own plugs of a nature made to "fill the bill".
By the way, that thread is 6mm x 0.75 , the same as thread as used for the current Pietta nipple threads. Just thought you might like to know.

Hoof Hearted
December 1, 2012, 09:31 AM
A couple of weeks ago I was putting together an order for Dixie and contacted them especially about getting some "plug" style of bolt? to fit the extra holes in my 1860 Pietta frame.
I asked for a part number that wouldn't stand so proud from flush of the frame surface.
Well, I was instructed to use a particular number, and I even explained again that I didn't want some of the same as what came with the gun and was assurred that these were much more "flush" than the one's that were supplied with my gun.
So, $7.00 for the pair later, I now have an extra set of the parts that exactly match the originals AND are distinctly what I was trying to avoid.
So much for trusting that the "experts" at the company know what they are talking about.
Right now I am looking for the most economical source for proper threading tools to get my own plugs of a nature made to "fill the bill".
By the way, that thread is 6mm x 0.75 , the same as thread as used for the current Pietta nipple threads. Just thought you might like to know.
It's a simple matter to turn the head down (either lathe or drill and file) then reslot or just finger tighten with locktite (after cold blue). I can do it for you.......

HH

unknwn
December 1, 2012, 09:42 AM
Thats what I'm going to buy the threading tools for. So that I can make an arbor to thread the plugs into and chuck them up in a lathe chuck.
A tap for making the arbor, and a die to chase the threads on the plug if needed after the work is performed.
Delicate work cutting down that almost non-existant head to just barely over flush and reslotting though.

Smokin'Joe
December 1, 2012, 11:22 AM
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc510/SmmokingJoe/IMG_00031.jpg
A plastic plug from Ace Hardware can be cut down and used.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc510/SmmokingJoe/IMG_0084.jpg
OR

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc510/SmmokingJoe/IMG_0019.jpg
A 1/4 inch black plastic rod can be cut and put in place of the screws.

Both of these techniques are durable but nothing can be done to make it seem that the screw holes were not there.

jason41987
December 1, 2012, 03:12 PM
couldnt you just buy civilian frame from a pietta distributor?... i mean, its not like you couldnt swap just about every single part over to that considering the barrel assembly comes off, unlike the remingtons... if i need a spare pietta part, taylor's and company usually has it

jason41987
December 1, 2012, 03:17 PM
anyway.. it doesnt matter to me.. the extra screw doesnt bother me as much as it seems to bother a lot of other people.. i could find a bolt to fit, cut it to flush length and slot it and have one as low profile as you could get and id be fine with that

Smokin'Joe
December 1, 2012, 03:27 PM
Strangely, every part for black powder hand guns is available for sale except the frames.

unknwn
December 1, 2012, 06:04 PM
My difficulty with those plugs is that I am using a shoulder stock meant for use on an 1851 because the grip frame is shorter on these London models.
The 1860 frame has those plug/bolts that are used for some aspect of the shoulder stock meant for the 1860 style of stock. The plug/bolts protrude enough to interfere with the brass wings on the '51 shoulder stock.
Those plastic dealies are interesting. They could be left enough proud of the frame surface to help isolate the s. stock's brass from the case color finish of the frame, I gonna' try them.
Thanks for the idea Smokin Joe .

Smiling Bob
January 19, 2013, 10:27 PM
Tommygunn,

Sent you a PM

Smiling Bob :D

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