Krag-Jorgensen?


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EMNofSeattle
November 30, 2012, 09:21 PM
I was browsing firearms for awhile today, and found a Krag Jorgensen rifle for 400 bucks, seemingly in good shape. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with Krags? My biggest concern is I don't know of anywhere that retails the ammo for that rifle, but I might be willing to learn how to handload if it's a quality enough piece. They were short-lived as far as being a military service rifle, but I was wondering if anyone has owned or fired one?

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DurangoKid
November 30, 2012, 09:54 PM
You had better look that Krag over very close. There is something wrong with it for sure. Even the most stupid gun salesman knows a good Krag goes for $1,000 bucks and up. You should be able to find 30-40 Krag ammo at one of the big sporting goods out lets. Check out the bore very close and the complicated magazine.

EMNofSeattle
November 30, 2012, 09:56 PM
Well now that I've looked this up, it's a sporterized carbine, not a stock unaltered Spanish-Am war vintage piece, does this change anything?

ewlyon
November 30, 2012, 10:03 PM
Always a good idea to look it over well, but ive seen a krag for 250 that had been sporterized but the only big thing wrong was a broken rear sight. Even that had been dovetailed so it would have been an easy fix.
In regards to ammo it can still be found online adn you might be able to find some at the gun shows. Here is a link to some ammo, although you might be able to shop around and get a better price
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/rifle-ammo-3040-krag

DurangoKid
November 30, 2012, 10:21 PM
Sporterized means some one has reduced the value of a firearm. It is most likely not a carbine. It should have a saddle ring bar or holes in the left side of the stock. It is probably an infantry rifle cut down. These rifles cut up with parts missing an worn bores can be bought cheap for making lamps.:uhoh:

RPRNY
November 30, 2012, 11:08 PM
Beware the neigh sayers. I have two Mauser sporters (6.5x55 and 8x57) that were well done (albeit no barrel Chop) and both were purchase sub $350. The Swede is extremely accurate with a gorgeous trigger but is not the most beautiful rifle. The Persian was very well done with an amazing trigger, low safety and very nice stutzen full stock. It is not yet quite as accurate as the Swede but I'm still experimenting with loads.

So, your Krag is not a duffer for sure. It could be. But just because it's been sporterized doesn't mean it is. Tough to buy sight unseen but $400 for a good sporter well done seems about right - Krag sporters should bear a premium for their relative scarcity. Very smooth actions. Not hugely strong. More oomph than a 30-30, not as much as a 30-06. It's a nice deer round.

It would be best if you could see and handle it. Check for clean bore, complete fully functional magazine and feed, stock cracks, especially around the wrist, and have a good long hard look at the crown if it's been cut down (that would be my biggest worry) .

madcratebuilder
December 1, 2012, 07:18 AM
What model of Krag? US Krags went to the civilian market in the 1920's, many have been sportered and many have been rebuild to original. It's the unmolested Krags in excellent condition that are 1K plus, a original in average condition is much less, 6-800 bucks if you take your time and look around.

A sportered Krag shouldn't run over $300-350.

DurangoKid
December 1, 2012, 12:05 PM
I would like some nice average $600 dollar Krags. I do gun shows in the NW and look for them. Please post some where that you are finding these $600 dollar complete Krags. I need 10 if I can find them. Let me know. Thx

gpb
December 1, 2012, 05:54 PM
Watch for a cracked bolt lug on Krags.

DurangoKid
December 1, 2012, 07:16 PM
You are right on that one. It is like the bargain P-17 Enfields with cracked reciever rings. IMO paying $400 to $500 for cut up 80 and 100 year old army rifles is not a bargin in most cases. That is my choice, you may choose other wise.:)

wrench
December 1, 2012, 10:40 PM
I love my Krags:)
Around here, nice condition shooter Krags that have not been sporterized start at about $700, on up to a grand or so. Over that, they are either overpriced, or they are collector grade rifles.
Sporterized rifles $200-$400.
Ammo really is a handloading proposition, factory ammo is expensive, and not always available.
They are graceful, accurate shooters, with a tremendously smooth bolt.

Owlnmole
December 2, 2012, 02:32 AM
I would not be afraid of a nicely sporterized Krag. I shot one when I was a kid--an original carbine. It's a sweet cartridge and a lovely action, just make sure to have it checked out by a pro.

madcratebuilder
December 2, 2012, 06:49 AM
I would like some nice average $600 dollar Krags. I do gun shows in the NW and look for them. Please post some where that you are finding these $600 dollar complete Krags. I need 10 if I can find them. Let me know. Thx
There are a lot of sellers that think their Krag is worth a lot, that doesn't mean you need to pay the asking price.

They were very cheap at one time.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/Krag/T2eC16hyUE9s6NGYQBQsrwmQvG60_57.jpg

I just picked up this sub $600 1898 rifle. Most the finish is worn off the metal, wood is good and it's unmessed with. I don't understand guys paying big bucks for parts rifles or rebuilds.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/Krag/krag01.jpg


The finish on the carbine is very nice and pushed the price to near 1K.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/Krag/pix105900521.jpg

Cocked & Locked
December 2, 2012, 07:18 AM
I know the history on this one back to a point. The first 40 some years of it being in existence I know nothing about. It was sporterized initially during the WWII era.

I added the recoil pad as the butt plate had turned to yuck. It had a vintage Redfield receiver sight which I still have. I added the no drill scope mount and scope.

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/17383006/400965650.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/17383006/400965647.jpg

sasakwa
February 1, 2013, 07:45 AM
I recently purchased a 30 40 sporter that was sporterized by Griffin and Howe in the 20s or 30s. Just because it isn't bone stock does not mean it is garbage. When I was stationed in Alaska I enjoyed watching the "experts" with their 300 win mags and $2500 scopes not able to hit the gong at 500m. My buddies and I would be tagging it offhand with our old surplus rifles. Point is that for anyone to look down on someones gun because it isn't all matching numbers and otherwise perfect is silly and generally a sign of an analy retentive snob. Snobbery is that which destroys our sport from within. If you like your rifle and can put lead on target then who cares if it is original or has matching numbers. Matter of fact there are a lot of matching number broomhandles out there that are fakes, better to have non-matching enjoyable guns than perfect hangar queens.

Trent
February 1, 2013, 07:48 AM
Well now that I've looked this up, it's a sporterized carbine, not a stock unaltered Spanish-Am war vintage piece, does this change anything?

I bought a sporterized Krag last month, done nice and clean, for $600.

If it isn't badly hacked, I'd say run with it.

bannockburn
February 1, 2013, 07:54 AM
I have a Model 1896 Krag Jorgensen that I restored from a parade/drill rifle that had been chrome plated and had a heavily varnished stock. I would never consider sporterizing it but I wouldn't mind picking one up someday.

Trent
February 1, 2013, 07:54 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=688928&highlight=krag

Here's the thread on mine. I thought I'd found a good deal on a carbine. Turns out I found an average deal on a sporterized look alike. It was the spur of a moment purchase, which happens when I walk in to a shop with cash in my pocket, which is why I normally don't carry any cash.... too impulsive.

Had I done my homework before hand, I would have offered him 400, and probably met at 500.

But I'll take the loss of a c-bill for the education I received. Don't I wish that ALL of life's lessons came so cheaply!

I still love looking at it, even knowing it's not the ultra-rare piece I was searching for, it looks great, and once the weather warms up and I can get to work on my display wall, will have a place of honor with the other old bolt actions I've accumulated. :)

RPRNY
February 1, 2013, 10:01 AM
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa272/LRDG/Krag/pix026959664.jpg

Under $300. It's a full on sporter but done well. Mag cutoff lever removed but shaft filled, scope safety installed, bright shiny aftermarket barrel that slugs a true .308, Fajen stock, and some work done on the trigger. I assume it was also reblued at the time of its sporterization.

Totally unoriginal but smooth as butter and since I am not an acolyte of velocity, I am a fan of the 30-40 cartridge. Working up a load for the Lyman 311284 210 gr cast bullet.

cal30_sniper
February 1, 2013, 12:48 PM
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa272/LRDG/Krag/pix026959664.jpg

Under $300. It's a full on sporter but done well. Mag cutoff lever removed but shaft filled, scope safety installed, bright shiny aftermarket barrel that slugs a true .308, Fajen stock, and some work done on the trigger. I assume it was also reblued at the time of its sporterization.

Totally unoriginal but smooth as butter and since I am not an acolyte of velocity, I am a fan of the 30-40 cartridge. Working up a load for the Lyman 311284 210 gr cast bullet.

And a Weaver V9. That's some extra class alone.

Very nice rifle. If I ran across one like that, even for more than you paid, it would probably be going home with me.

theotherwaldo
February 1, 2013, 03:05 PM
Just put Bubba's scoped Krag on lay-away for $250.00. Pistol grip is grafted on to the cut-down rifle stock. Stock also has a slightly oversized butt pad and an oddly suggestive schnabel tip. Finish is about half gone and the cut barrel sports a mauser front sight and no rear.
Bubba probably committed this crime around 1960,
Bore looks adequate, the orphaned-brand 3x side-mounted scope looks OK, and the bolt lugs aren't cracked. I think I'll like it, after a bit of TLC.

gpb
February 1, 2013, 05:31 PM
Congratulations on the Krag.

It sounds like with some elbow grease it'll make a nice shooter.

David4516
February 1, 2013, 06:54 PM
I picked this one up for about $300, it was drilled and tapped but didn't have the scope mount. I bought that separately, and the scope too (just a basic Bushnell Banner)

I have only had it out to the range once, and had some issues. Not sure if the problem is with my reloads, or the headspace on the rifle.

I am a fan of the .30-40 cartridge and wish it were more popular/common. Would be cool to see it offered in new rifles. Heck even an NEF "handi rifle" in .30-40 could be cool.

A friend of mine purchased a Krag that had an after-market barrel and stock in the early 2000's for about $350. He later ended up selling that rifle to my dad, and dad still has it. It is probably the most accurate rifle I've ever had the privilege to shoot, and that was what inspired me to buy a Krag of my own.

RPRNY
February 1, 2013, 07:24 PM
David4516

The only thing standing between you and a 30-40 Handing rifle is buying a 30-30 and spending some time with a chamber dreamer. And you can run your loads at factory .308 levels! Just don't mix them up....

What are you Krag issues? Since the 30-40 headspaces on the rim what is driving your headspace concern?

vtail
February 1, 2013, 10:52 PM
I don't have pics handy, but I found a couple of Krags in a closet of an old building I was having torn down. Even found a big bag of 20's headstamped cartridges and a couple of the brass front sight covers. One was stamped 1900 on the stock and I think the other may have been 1901.

On one of them the previous owner had started some kind of restoration, and the metal butt plate is missing. Also, the metal spring that goes in the flip open magazine was out.

Any idea where i can find a metal butt plate to get the one back together?

I know almost nothing about Krags or know anyone who does.

David4516
February 4, 2013, 10:58 AM
What are you Krag issues? Since the 30-40 headspaces on the rim what is driving your headspace concern?

I started a thead on it here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=684952


I think my problem is most likely reloads that are too mild. I didn't want to beat up my 100+ year old rifle so I started low, but might have gone too low.

CyBerlin
February 4, 2013, 11:13 AM
I inherited a Krag .30-40 Carbine from my Granddad. He purchased the gun from the government during the Depression for a few dollars and used it to hunt deer in Wyoming during the 1930's and 1940's.

Like many craftsmen of the time, he sporterized the gun, adding a pistol grip and a Monte Carlo ridge to the stock. This was a fairly common occurrence among folks like my Granddad who had wood working "shops" in their basements.

The stock on my Krag is apparently one of the rarer Carbine stocks which had an oval cut-out on the left side above the trigger.

Krag .30-40 rounds are quite expensive. They were over $1 per round when I inherited the gun nearly a decade ago. The action of the bolt is the smoothest of any gun I've ever handled; some say the action is like moving a hot knife through butter. However, the bolt is also the (potential) weak link on this gun as it has only a single locking lug. (I guess if you consider the cutout in the stock to be a sort of backup lug, then this gun has two lugs.) Removing the bolt requires knowledge of a secret procedure that is documented somewhere on the Internet.

Here are some pictures of mine:

http://imageshack.us/scaled/iphone/14/right1j.png

http://imageshack.us/scaled/iphone/248/right2.png

http://imageshack.us/scaled/iphone/834/patchleft.png

http://imageshack.us/scaled/iphone/824/stockmods.png

http://imageshack.us/scaled/iphone/687/trapdoor.png

http://imageshack.us/scaled/iphone/804/serialnumber.png

Geneseo1911
February 4, 2013, 11:19 AM
Krag parts are very hard to find and very expensive. Remember this was the first US Rifle to use smokeless powder...it's old; it was also only produced from 1898-1902, when we had a very small standing army, so there weren't that many to start with.

The side loading magazine is very unique, and mine is probably my favorite rifle. I had to find a replacement rear sight, which turned up on gunbroker.

Another source I used (they had the screws to attach the aforementioned sight) was S&S Firearms out of Glendale, NY. They focus on WWII and earlier re-enacting stuff, so they have uniforms and patches and all kinds of cool stuff. Some 1903, 1917, M1 parts, a fair number of Krag parts, and LOTS of Trapdoor and muzzleloader parts. They have lots of original OLD stuff, pretty neat place.

Cocked & Locked
February 4, 2013, 11:41 AM
CyBerlin...very nice Krag with family provenance. It don't get no better than that!

Molasses
February 4, 2013, 12:59 PM
I picked up these, summer of 2011, spent $300...for the pair. I keep looking at them and wishing that the carbine stock was the one that DIDN'T have all "woodworking" done to it.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q201/Molasses_photos/Toys/MVC-112F.jpg


http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q201/Molasses_photos/Toys/MVC-113F.jpg

Cosmoline
February 4, 2013, 01:03 PM
Watch for a cracked bolt lug on Krags.

As in singular. That's the reason I've steered clear of Krags. One lug between you and the hereafter. They're a strong rifle but I would not shoot one unless it was in very good condition. You just don't know what stress some errant handloader might have put on that lug in the past 110 years.

jimherb
February 4, 2013, 06:47 PM
If you can find one in good mechanical condition, you will discover the slickest bolt action ever made. 30-40 round certainly good for anything that won't eat you first.

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