New gun. What do I have?


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fastford19
December 2, 2012, 01:13 AM
Picked up this new rifle and I'm trying to figure out what I have. Can anyone shed some light and help me out?

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fastford19
December 2, 2012, 01:17 AM
Above the Gardone it is stamped 941-XIX. I've found some information about these rifles but not much.

3twelves
December 2, 2012, 01:24 AM
WWII BERETTA GARDONE VT 6.5 CARCANO Italian made

MachIVshooter
December 2, 2012, 01:37 AM
A sporterized Carcano. Not sure why it's marked 6.5x53, though; The Carcano round is 6.5x52.

fastford19
December 2, 2012, 01:39 AM
That is what was confusing me. Everything I've read states 6.5x52 not 6.5x53.

56hawk
December 2, 2012, 01:41 AM
I think you have a heavily sporterized WWII Italian Model 1938 Cavalry Carbine. Looks like the sights and magazine have been changed, and the stock was cut down to remove where the bayonet would attach.

56hawk
December 2, 2012, 01:43 AM
As far as the caliber goes. I think that was stamped by whoever sporterized it. Originally the caliber was stamped on the rear sight.

fastford19
December 2, 2012, 01:44 AM
But it is 6.5x52 correct?

MachIVshooter
December 2, 2012, 02:24 AM
But it is 6.5x52 correct?

Should be.

If it were mine, I'd do some inspecting and, if nothing alarmed me, I'd go fire it and then carefully check the fired case.

There is a 6.5x53 cartridge, but it's a rimmed one. The 6.5 Carcano is rimless, so there is no way the 6.5x53 Dutch Mannlicher would chamber in a 6.5x52 rifle. It is also highly doubtful that someone would convert from a somewhat common round like the 6.5x52 to a very uncommon one like the 6.5x53R.

fastford19
December 2, 2012, 10:52 AM
Got it. Thanks everyone for the help.

OFT
December 2, 2012, 12:07 PM
With what looks like a 1903A3 trigger guard/floor plate assembly.

desidog
December 2, 2012, 04:42 PM
That's interesting. It is a carcano action but they normally feed from an enbloc clip...which would be a challenge with the 03A3 bottom metal. It could be any caliber. Id make a chamber cast.

MachIVshooter
December 2, 2012, 05:31 PM
It is a carcano action but they normally feed from an enbloc clip...which would be a challenge with the 03A3 bottom metal

I'd guess the rest of the 03 internal box magazine components were used and altered. It wouldn't be too difficult, given that the 6.5x52 rim is close to the same diameter as the .30-06 (.448" vs. .473"), and OAL of the 6.5x52 is only slightly shorter than .30-06 M2 ball (3.02" vs. 3.34")

fastford19
December 2, 2012, 05:47 PM
So what does all that mean? I only own modern firearms. Will it use the en bloc clip? I don't have any.

desidog
December 2, 2012, 06:30 PM
Probably not. Can you open the bolt and take a picture or two looking down in there?

fastford19
December 2, 2012, 06:42 PM
Let me know if you need a better look at something.

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MachIVshooter
December 2, 2012, 07:37 PM
Yup, it is now a push-feed internal box magazine rifle. Not a bad thing, provided it feeds properly. One way to find out.......

fastford19
December 2, 2012, 08:49 PM
Sweet. Glad you pointed that out!

caribou
December 2, 2012, 10:07 PM
After WWII alotta country wouldnt allow "military" caliber, so they were often alterd while being 'sporterized', and deeping the throat/neck a milimeter or so, would , in essence, change it to something a civilian could own.

The new mag certainly is an improvement , if it works.

Mexico is like that too, no Military calibers.....though someone forgot to tell the criminals that....

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