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icon308win
December 2, 2012, 09:07 PM
im going to trade rifles im getting a rem 700 cdl-sf I had a prior oneI live in NC mostly allI will ever do is shoot andmaybe a coyote.I doubt will ever get to hunt elk. Would you go 257 weatherby or 30-06

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Dthunter
December 2, 2012, 09:51 PM
go with the 3006, hands down.

It is far cheaper to shoot, more than effective for elk.

If he rifle is cheaper to shoot, you will likely shoot it much more.

257Weatherby is a great caliber, but it is expensive to shoot. if you buy this caliber, be sure to ONLY use premium bullet styles, such as Accubonds,Partitions,Barnes X, etc for hunting.

Good luck with your choice.

icon308win
December 2, 2012, 09:57 PM
the reason was thinking 257 was already have some brass and some ammo

jmr40
December 2, 2012, 10:00 PM
I like the 30-06 better, but if you handload it wouldn't really matter much. If you like the 257 it will certainly work

Savage99
December 2, 2012, 10:05 PM
There are much better designed rifles than the entry level old 700's.

Also the 257 Weatherby is an odd old cartridge that never caught on.

The 30-06 is the standard of the world. Can't go wrong with it.

However if you have chucks to hunt there in the summer I need to know what other guns you have.

Those two rounds are not the only ones.

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww15/Donmartin29/Remingtonbolt.jpg

The_Armed_Therapist
December 2, 2012, 10:14 PM
I LOVE the .257 Weatherby for long-range target shooting. It has no real advantage for anything practical. If your pockets are deep, it could be a lot of fun and take care of coyotes or deer easily. If they're not deep, or you're naturally frugal, it really makes little sense to go that route. The .30-06 is wonderfully diverse, cheap, and is negligible in "accuracy" at the practical distances that most are capable of shooting.

sirgilligan
December 2, 2012, 10:58 PM
My brother and me were just discussing these two cartridges/calibers. We both have .30-06 as our first choice. The 06 is so versatile. If you are only going to have one center fire rifle the 06 is a sound choice.

In my reloading books I look up the cartridges.

.257 has loads for 110 grain bullets from 2800 to 3300 fps, with bullets having a ballistic coefficient (BC) of .39

the .30-06 has loads for 110 grain bullets from 2900 to 3400 fps, with BC of .25 and .29

Since I have actually wrote the code for the ballistics calculator in Gun Log, let me illustrate the significance of the BC.

.257 Weather Mag
300 Yard Zero, MV 3000 fps
400 yards, -11.3 inches, Velocity 2091
500 yards, -30.5 inches, Velocity 1891

.30-06
300 Yard Zero, MV 3000 fps
400 yards, -14.9 inches, Velocity 1664
500 yards, -42.5 inches, Velocity 1411

Notice how the BC really effects the values the further the bullet travels.
Now, don't take it that the 06 at 500 yards is something under powered, it is just in this example that a 110 grain bullet in .308 caliber is not "shaped as good" as the .257.

The BC on the 120 grain .257 is the same as the 110 grain, so the values above wouldn't change, only the energy (which I didn't calculate).

Now take the .30-06 and let's pick a bullet that has a good BC. Hmm, the 150 grain A-MAX has a BC of .435. It doesn't show a load up to 3000 fps, but one for 2950.

Let's look at that:
300 Yard Zero, MV 2950 fps
400 yards, -11.1 inches, Velocity 2089
500 yards, -29.9 inches, Velocity 1953

Let's put those side by side:


.257 Weather Mag .30-06
300 Yard Zero, MV 3000 fps 300 Yard Zero, MV 2950 fps
400 yards, -11.3 inches, V 2091 400 yards, -11.1 inches, V 2089
500 yards, -30.5 inches, V 1891 500 yards, -29.9 inches, V 1953


This shows that the lowly .30-06 is an amazing cartridge. It isn't the hollywood starlet of cartridges, it is the leading man. ;-)

I have a .30-06. I would like to have a .257 Weatherby Magnum just because it is what it is.

Art Eatman
December 2, 2012, 11:27 PM
I've loaded the '06 with 00 Buck as a squirrel load, with 5 grains of pistol powder. 80-grain bullets for near 4,000 ft/sec zappers for jackrabbits. The standard varmint bullet is a 110-grain at around 3,400 ft/sec (factory). For deer, either a 150- or 165-grain, although I prefer the 150. Elk? I'd likely go with a 180.

My old Weatherby Mark V, with its 26" barrel, was reliably a sub-MOA shooter. 0.8 at 500 yards. Three-shot groups of 0.4 to 0.5 MOA at 100 yards.

Lloyd Smale
December 3, 2012, 06:05 AM
Code:
.257 Weather Mag .30-06
300 Yard Zero, MV 3000 fps 300 Yard Zero, MV 2950 fps
400 yards, -11.3 inches, V 2091 400 yards, -11.1 inches, V 2089
500 yards, -30.5 inches, V 1891 500 yards, -29.9 inches, V 1953

only problem with that comparison is that it takes handloading to get a 06 to 3000 and the 257 is idleing at 3000 fps. Add 300 fps to the 257 then compare them. that said i own both and like them both but if i could only have one rifle to hunt everything with it would be an o6.

lefteyedom
December 3, 2012, 06:14 AM
Get the 257 Weatherby if you reload. It is truly a coyote to elk rifle.

Out here in the Wyoming the 257 Weatherby is a popular round.

Of course you could get a 25/06 and save some money on brass...

No offense to the O.P., but after 106 years with 06 is pretty much a known idem.

Why do people always ask, should I get rifle X or a 30/06 ?

If you want rifle X buy it, if you find you don't like it sell and get a 30-06

There will always be a 30/06 for sell at Walmart.

Both the 30/06 and the 257 Weatherby are fine cartridge.

They are just two different approaches to how to put energy on a target.

RainDodger
December 3, 2012, 10:00 AM
If I had to have one - the .30-'06. I regret to this day, selling my .257 Weatherby Mark V however. Wonderful cartridge and a joy to shoot. Very expensive even if you reload. If you don't reaload, it's crazy to shoot the .257 if you own a .30-'06. I cannot believe how much they soak you for a box of .257 cartridges!

Reloading the .257 is a bit more intense than loading for the .30-'06 as well, in that it's a belted magnum. Not that it's harder, but you need to think it through.

I love the .257 but simply won't pay that much to shoot a rifle.

dvdcrr
December 3, 2012, 11:17 AM
My brother and me were just discussing these two cartridges/calibers. We both have .30-06 as our first choice. The 06 is so versatile. If you are only going to have one center fire rifle the 06 is a sound choice.

In my reloading books I look up the cartridges.

.257 has loads for 110 grain bullets from 2800 to 3300 fps, with bullets having a ballistic coefficient (BC) of .39

the .30-06 has loads for 110 grain bullets from 2900 to 3400 fps, with BC of .25 and .29

Since I have actually wrote the code for the ballistics calculator in Gun Log, let me illustrate the significance of the BC.

.257 Weather Mag
300 Yard Zero, MV 3000 fps
400 yards, -11.3 inches, Velocity 2091
500 yards, -30.5 inches, Velocity 1891

.30-06
300 Yard Zero, MV 3000 fps
400 yards, -14.9 inches, Velocity 1664
500 yards, -42.5 inches, Velocity 1411

Notice how the BC really effects the values the further the bullet travels.
Now, don't take it that the 06 at 500 yards is something under powered, it is just in this example that a 110 grain bullet in .308 caliber is not "shaped as good" as the .257.

The BC on the 120 grain .257 is the same as the 110 grain, so the values above wouldn't change, only the energy (which I didn't calculate).

Now take the .30-06 and let's pick a bullet that has a good BC. Hmm, the 150 grain A-MAX has a BC of .435. It doesn't show a load up to 3000 fps, but one for 2950.

Let's look at that:
300 Yard Zero, MV 2950 fps
400 yards, -11.1 inches, Velocity 2089
500 yards, -29.9 inches, Velocity 1953

Let's put those side by side:


Code:
.257 Weather Mag .30-06
300 Yard Zero, MV 3000 fps 300 Yard Zero, MV 2950 fps
400 yards, -11.3 inches, V 2091 400 yards, -11.1 inches, V 2089
500 yards, -30.5 inches, V 1891 500 yards, -29.9 inches, V 1953This shows that the lowly .30-06 is an amazing cartridge. It isn't the hollywood starlet of cartridges, it is the leading man. ;-)

I have a .30-06. I would like to have a .257 Weatherby Magnum just because it is what it is.

How can the 06 have a 100 fps advantage with the same bullet weight when its usable case capacity is roughly 8 grains less? those must be some hot 06 loads. Or some mild 257 loads or both

dvdcrr
December 3, 2012, 11:28 AM
for my situation I am a low volume shooter so the cost of ammo doesn't bother me much as long as I have a couple boxes on the shelf. I like the new factory loadings for 257 from Barnes. Real flat shooting and won't fragment due to speed up close. I have shot deer with 257 at long and close range. Great for long range shots, but for up close if you are going to take a body shot you better have the right bullet.

Gtscotty
December 3, 2012, 11:49 AM
How can the 06 have a 100 fps advantage with the same bullet weight when its usable case capacity is roughly 8 grains less? those must be some hot 06 loads. Or some mild 257 loads or both

The same way 338-06 can have a velocity advantage over 30-06 with 180 gr bullets. The same pressure acting on a larger bore area = a larger force on the bullet.

sirgilligan
December 3, 2012, 02:01 PM
only problem with that comparison is that it takes handloading to get a 06 to 3000 and the 257 is idleing at 3000 fps. Add 300 fps to the 257 then compare them. that said i own both and like them both but if i could only have one rifle to hunt everything with it would be an o6.
No it does not.

I have been using Hornady's Superformance in my BAR, MV of 3080.

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-06-Sprg-150-gr-SST-Superformance/

Results:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SRiThNDu5Lg/TtlxRXbe0WI/AAAAAAAAAwE/q99QlQxRj_g/s1600/IMG_1913.JPG

sirgilligan
December 3, 2012, 02:04 PM
How can the 06 have a 100 fps advantage with the same bullet weight when its usable case capacity is roughly 8 grains less? those must be some hot 06 loads. Or some mild 257 loads or both

After the bullet leaves the muzzle the things that matters most is the Ballistic Coefficient of the bullet. Notice I picked a .30-06 bullet with an outstanding BC.

oldpapps
December 3, 2012, 02:08 PM
"mostly all I will ever do is shoot and maybe a coyote. I doubt will ever get to hunt elk."

icon308win,

Is this your only rifle? Or a trade toy?
Per your post, at this time you are not planning on shooting very much. If that is true, the 257 would be cheap enough to use. If you start using it, plan on reloading for it.

Weatherbys are neat, even when chambered in hard to get/expensive rounds. Neat to have may not equate to usefulness.

For day to day use, I would go with an '06. But then, I would have to check the condition of both before making up my mind. Very difficult to go wrong with a good '06.

sage5907
December 3, 2012, 03:50 PM
If you just have to have a 25 caliber the 25-06 is a much better choice. I once owned a 270 Weatherby and didn't like the cartridge at all, and I quickly found out that a standard 270 Winchester was much better. My favorite hunting cartridge is a 30-06 and I would buy a 30-06 without further thought. Shooter

bpl
December 3, 2012, 06:45 PM
Everybody should have a 30-06. Or maybe a 308. They're just so versatile. It should really be a law. Maybe we need a new constitutional amendment.

If you already have a 30-06 or a 308, then maybe consider a 257 Weatherby.

icon308win
December 3, 2012, 07:12 PM
about to go 30-06 cheaper bigger variety of loads plus where hunt kinda thick

MachIVshooter
December 3, 2012, 10:24 PM
If you just have to have a 25 caliber the 25-06 is a much better choice

Agreed. The factory Weatherby ammo uses proprietary powders to get the screamin' velocities; For the handloader, the weatherby only offers a 100-150 FPS increase over the .25-06. If money is no object, then speed is speed. But the .25-06 is more efficient, a little easier on guns and much cheaper to buy loaded ammo and brass for.

The standard .25-06 is an honest-to-goodness 3,200 FPS cartridge with 117 gr. bullets and IMR powders.

Kachok
December 3, 2012, 11:10 PM
Never owned nor shot a 257 Wby, but I would wager anyting the 30-06 is the vastly more versatile rifle. If you like to shoot alot the 30-06 barrel will last many times as long as the highly overbore 257. If you like to shoot very long ranges the .30 cal bullets are capable of vastly higher BC even if they are slower. For the reloader their is a vast wealth of handload data for the 06, probably more then any other cartage, and lets not forget the endless supply of once fired 06 brass for dirt cheap. All in all the 06 has few rivals in terms of all around usefulness, I will put my 308 and 6.5x55 head to head with it but all my highly overbore rounds are a one trick pony in comparison.

GooseGestapo
December 4, 2012, 03:22 AM
There's a lot of mis-information here about the .257wbymag.

First of all, it doesn't use "proprietary" powders to get it's velocity. Good old H4350, H4831, and of course RL22 and RL25 get the "goods" from the .257wby.

Secondly, I haven't been able to get the 3,200fps from a 24" bbl .25/06 and a 117gr bullet. I can "barely" get it with the .257wby and a 24" bbl. Expect to get between 200-250fps with the .257 over the .25/06... Sorry, just my experience.....

Not berating the .25/06, it's just I actually DO own a chronograph....
And while we're on that topic, the .25/06 only gets about 50-75fps over the .257Roberts... agian, just my "experience"...

The Hornady Superformance ammo will only get the "claimed" velocities from "occasional" 24" bbl's. Certainly NOT from a 22" bbl....
ie: some 165gr SST "Superformance" ammo I've chrono'd only beat some 165gr Remington Corelokts from my 24" '06 barrel by some 40fps!!! And 100fps less than my top load of RL17 over a Sierra or Nosler 165gr bullet (2,980fps!). Besides, my .375Ruger w/270gr "Superformance" chrono's 100fps SLOWER than factory claimed spec's. (2,740fps vs claimed 2,840fps. Not "bad", but not "claimed"....

Loading the .257wby actually costs me LESS than loading for the .30/06!
I'm using surplus WC-860 powder, Hornady "Blem" 117gr BtSpt's (78gr WC-860 for 3,250fps). The bullets cost me $11/100; the powder 8lbs for $25; and I'm using range "pickup" 7RemMag brass reformed to .257mag. (yeah, the case necks are 0.060" short, makes no difference. However, the cases are "thicker" and have ~3% less case capacity, so charges have to be a little lower....).


Bottom line, if you "Want" a .257wby, get it !!!
If you "want" a .30/06, you'll still do well !

For an excellent "less expensive" .257wby load, get the Norma 100gr PtSpt. It's about $3 a box more expensive than "un-primed" Weatherby brass..... It "chrono's" 3,450fps from my 24" Vanguard and is sub-moa accurate. Last time I checked prices at GanderMountain, the 100gr Hornady bulleted .257wby factory ammo was going for about $38/20. About the same as Walmarts price on a box of Winchester 165gr "Bonded" bullet ammo.... So much for the "Much" greater cost of ammo for the Weatherby.

Either way, you won't shoot much if you use "factory" ammo.....

re: bullet blow-up's. Over stated.... I've shot deer with my .257wby with 100gr Hornady PtSpt's at 3,550fps m/v at ~50yds. Bullets expanded to .50", and weight typically ~65gr in perfect mushroom... At least the few I've recovered. Typically, they exit the deer with a 2-3" exit wound.... and "exploded" deer "innerds"....
However, I HAVE seen 100gr and 115gr BallisticTips "explode" and fail to penetrate, but they do that from the .257Roberts as well....Not to mention 130's from the .270 and 150's from my 7mm08....
So, use the "correct" bullets.....Regardless of which caliber you choose. You really DON'T have to use a $$$ bullet to prevent failures... Just don't use one that is practically guarenteed to produce a "failure"...

BigN
December 4, 2012, 04:31 AM
Back in the olden days before I realized I had a thing for guns, I had a 30-06. It was an old 742 with a steel butt plate. It was my woodchuck gun and it was a PUNISHING so and so to shoot. That thing pounded me so bad that when I finally got rid of it, I swore I'd never have another one of those kicking, fire-breathing monsters. These days I have many dozens of rifles here, including a 300 WSM and a 338 Mag, not even one 30-06 in the group. I do have a 257 Weatherby Mark V though, a pc of work and a pleasure to shoot, woodchucks, coyotes & deer. The fear of the 30-06 is still here but I'm sure I'll eventually have another (with a thick rubber recoil pad on the back.)

Lloyd Smale
December 4, 2012, 06:30 AM
dont know about factory ammo as i havent used any in 30 years but some real world velocitys out of my guns are with a 117 and the 257 roberts 22in 2850. 2506 26 inch 3150, 257 wby 26 3350. my other 257 is a wby vanguard with a 24 in barrel and its speed with the same load will about match my cdl with a 26. All my 06 rifles are 22 inch and 2850 is about it with a 165 and 3000 is pushing it with a 150. Compare that to 3150 with a 2506 using a 117 that has a much better bc then a 150 .30 cal bullet. It does make the 2506 flatter shooting but ive shot enough game with both to know that the 2506 doesnt hit with the athourity at 300 yards that the 06 does. It also shows though that anyone that will tell you a 257 roberts is within a 100 fps of a 2506 or the 2506 is within a 100 fps of a 257 either doesnt have a chrono or needs to look for a differnt powder.

MCgunner
December 4, 2012, 10:08 AM
You ask this question on a board full of .30-06 koolaid drinkers? :rolleyes;

It also shows though that anyone that will tell you a 257 roberts is within a 100 fps of a 2506 or the 2506 is within a 100 fps of a 257 either doesnt have a chrono or needs to look for a differnt powder.

Have chrono and use the right powder.

.257 Roberts 117 grain Interlock, 3050 fps out of a 24" Remington 722 using H4831 compressed. 3150 for my preferred 100 grain Game King same powder. Ain't a dimes difference to ME since the gun has sentimental appeal. I won a BDL in .25-05, gun show door prize raffle, traded it same day for a .308 I'd been wanting since I already had a well developed and proven quarter bore.

mdauben
December 4, 2012, 11:22 AM
im going to trade rifles im getting a rem 700 cdl-sf I had a prior oneI live in NC mostly allI will ever do is shoot andmaybe a coyote.I doubt will ever get to hunt elk. Would you go 257 weatherby or 30-06
Neither would be my first choice for your described use. The .257 Wby is a fine cartridge but it's expensive, hard to find, hard on barrels, and kicks quite a bit. That said, Weatherby's do have a certain... romantic appeal to some people so if you really want one it will work for you just fine. The .30-06 is the stereotypical "do-everything" cartridge but while its popular and not prohibitivly expensive its probably overkill for your intended uses. Again, if you want a .30-06 it will work for your intended used, its just not the optimal choice.

FWIW, I would recommend you look into the .223 for your use. Its relativly inexpensive, widely available, light recoiling, more than adequate for coyotes and target shooting out to several hundred yards. If you want something you can stretch to deer size game, you also might look at the .243 Win, .257 Roberts, .25-06 Rem or .260 Rem.

Also the 257 Weatherby is an odd old cartridge that never caught on.
None of the Weatherby magnums are top sellers, but from what I've read the .257 is one of, if not the, most popular of the bunch.

Kachok
December 4, 2012, 11:47 AM
While laser flat trajectories intrigue me I thought about getting the 257 Wby long ago, but then the 270 WSM came along, even the Wby cannot compete with .497 BC bullets at 3500fps! The WSM does this while using nearly the same powder charge meaning it is also quite a bit less overbore then the 257 cal and will certainly have better barrel life. As an added bonus ammo/brass costs less, better selection of .277 cal bullets, and it works in a short action.
Bullets THAT fast tend to be explosive at real world ranges, so I leave my rail gun at home most of the time good ol 30-06, 308 or 6.5x55 works just fine even at their pokey 2800fps :)

mdauben
December 4, 2012, 01:19 PM
While laser flat trajectories intrigue me I thought about getting the 257 Wby long ago, but then the 270 WSM came along, even the Wby cannot compete with .497 BC bullets at 3500fps!
Apples and oranges. Try comparing the .270 WSM to the .270 WBY! ;-)

sirgilligan
December 4, 2012, 01:50 PM
This started as a apples to oranges comparison. There is no right or wrong answer.
I don't understand what makes someone that recommends a .30-06 a kool-aid drinker.

p.s.

Here is my answer to those questions that come up on if you could only have one or two or three or four type questions:

1) .22 LR
2) .30-06
3) .223
4) 300 Win Mag
5) .243

Kachok
December 4, 2012, 04:38 PM
Apples and oranges. Try comparing the .270 WSM to the .270 WBY! ;-)
270 WSM is hot on the heels of the 270 Wby, not 80fps difference between the two if you handlaod :)
I just picked up 80 once fired brass at the range today for my WSM for $8, try that with the Wby :D

mdauben
December 4, 2012, 05:10 PM
270 WSM is hot on the heels of the 270 Wby, not 80fps difference between the two if you handlaod

So, you're saying that the .270WSM/.270WBY is a better match than the .270WSM/.257WBY in performance? ;)

cal74
December 4, 2012, 05:21 PM
If your handle is an indicator of what you already have (.308) than get the .257. Fun cartridge, don't have a ton of experience with it but have had one a few years.

With any good bullet any animal isn't going to care if it was shot with an '06, .257, .270, etc. And for the longer range stuff, with modern optics (turrets, reticles, etc.) it really doesn't matter either at any practical range if your cartridge of choice drops 15" or 20"


How many of us have extreme overlap or duplicates, I do... Heck I don't even hardly rifle hunt any longer and I've got duplicates and some triplicates of rifles. Maybe I want to grab an old stand by, maybe something heavy for a little more stability, maybe a featherweight.

Kachok
December 4, 2012, 05:44 PM
So, you're saying that the .270WSM/.270WBY is a better match than the .270WSM/.257WBY in performance? ;)
I am saying you can get lagit top notch Weatherby performance in a much more common cartrage that burns less powder and is easier on barrels, oh and it is a short action too, not a bad little cartrage in my book, shame I don't need that kind of speed where I hunt now LOL
270 WSM is right at 30-06 level recoil, a healthy step down from the 7mm Rem mag but no sissy kicker either.

cal74
December 4, 2012, 07:51 PM
much more common cartrage

A .270 WSM is a more common cartridge? Sure the heck isn't anywhere I've ever been. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've scene ammo for it on a dealers shelf.

Can't say I've seen a ton more .257 roy ammo, but it's a heck of a lot more common than any WSM cartridge with the exception of the 300 WSM.

Gtscotty
December 4, 2012, 08:31 PM
Can't say I've seen a ton more .257 roy ammo, but it's a heck of a lot more common than any WSM cartridge with the exception of the 300 WSM.

Odd, we have a lot more 270 WSM and 300 WSM than any of the Weatherby rounds around here. In fact at the local Bass Pro carries 270 WSM ammo made by Winchester, Federal and Remington. The only 257 Roy ammo they have is Weatherby brand, and it's pretty high. I think the 257 Weatherby and 270 WSM comparison is an appropriate one, they are both intended to by highly overbore, super fast sub-.30 cal (and even sub-7mm for that matter) magnum rounds. I was very interested in the 257 Roy at one point, and actually wound up going with the 270 WSM instead.

I liked my 270 WSM, but after taking stock of my realistic hunting needs and the fact that every deer I've shot has been at under 200 yds, I finally let my WSM go, and slid back to the trusty 30-06.

Abel
December 4, 2012, 08:45 PM
There is no such thing as "30-o6 Kool-Aid". There is only the span of years from 19o6 until 2012 where the cartridge has performed many tasks and filled many roles that the 257 WM has not. The 257 WM is a cartridge for magnum loonies, simple as that. Not that there is anything wrong with being a magnum loony.

Kachok
December 4, 2012, 08:47 PM
A .270 WSM is a more common cartridge? Sure the heck isn't anywhere I've ever been. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've scene ammo for it on a dealers shelf.

Can't say I've seen a ton more .257 roy ammo, but it's a heck of a lot more common than any WSM cartridge with the exception of the 300 WSM.
Every gun store and outdoors store within 100 miles of here carries 270 WSM Basspro, Academy, Dick's.....all of them, heck even the little local buisneses carry it: Mobile Shooting center, Quint's, Goldmine...etc if you have not seen it I doubt you were looking very hard :)

cal74
December 4, 2012, 09:46 PM
I'm in Eastern, SD and get over into Minnesota a lot. I can't say I search the shelves in great detail but I usually try to take stock in what any given place may have.

Just don't see any of the WSM or WSSM's up here with any frequency, with the exception of the 300 WSM. Don't see tons of Weatherby's by any means, but usually there's a few. Probably venture to guess more 300 Weatherby ammo on the shelf than anything.

I could easily do all my hunting with either of my '06's, have done most of it in the last decade with a 7mm mag but in recent years I've grown quite fond of a light weight 7mm-08 and I've taken lots of deer, few antelope and a cow elk with it. Couldn't really ask for anything more, but I bought a .257 Weatherby for my Antelope getter a couple years ago. Haven't had a tag since than though :(

And for the rest of my hunting, at least for next year I'll be using a Kimber .280ai. It'd be to simple to just settle for one cartridge.

mdauben
December 13, 2012, 09:02 AM
I don't understand what makes someone that recommends a .30-06 a kool-aid drinker.
FWIW, here's my take on that question. The fact is, the .30-06 is a great cartridge with a lot going for it. It's popular and easy to find, it's available in a wide range of loadings, it pretty versatile. If you really want one gun to do it all, it's hard to thing of anything better.

The problem, as I see it, is when people start to think *good* at everything means *best* at everything. If (like the OP) you are looking for a gun for a specific use, there are often better choices than the .30-06.

IMO the .30-06 is a great choice for black bear, mule deer and elk. For moose and brown bear I'd rather have something with a bit more power. For most white tail, antelope, and sheep something a bit lighter is optimum and for predators and varmints its over kill. Again, this does not mean the .30-06 will not take all those game animals. I think it's just not the optimal choice for each one.

As I read the OP he is looking for a coyote gun yet loads of people said to get a .30-06. Sure it will kill a coyote but really a .223, .243 or maybe one of the hot centerfire .22s would be a better choice.

YMMV of course. ;)

Clark
December 13, 2012, 10:35 AM
My brother shot deer this year with a 30-06.
I shot deer this year in the same town with 257RAIR.

The deer are all just as dead.
Both will get the job done.
It as matter of personal preference.
I like the 257 better.

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