Steyr Scout rifle?


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Cooldill
December 3, 2012, 11:47 AM
Anyone know about the scout rifle offered by Steyr Arms? Has anyone ever shot one, are they any good? What do you feel about them? I think they are interesting but I have been unable to find much first person experience on them on the internet.

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readyeddy
December 3, 2012, 11:49 AM
Looks like a good rifle if you're a scout.

HoosierQ
December 3, 2012, 12:28 PM
They are kind of interesting rifles. The problem is they are about $2,000. As such, they are not going to be big sellers. The Ruger Gunsite Scout sells for $800 and beside the caliber choice and two mags vs one, is probably more rifle at any amount of money due to the better sights.

I know there are some members here that have the Steyr but I would imagine that has never been a big seller in the US.

BigG
December 3, 2012, 12:52 PM
It's a great rifle and shoots very accurately. Also, the rifle was sighted in dead on from the factory. Steyr apparently takes great pride in their workmanship.

40 rod
December 3, 2012, 12:54 PM
Jeff Cooper has been one of my favorite authors for many years. Back in the late 90s on his advice I bought his Scout. It was everything he claimed -and more. Excellent trigger, inginious bipod, The styer action is just plain goofy though. Why have a short barrel while the bolt throw adds 1 1/2" of unneccisary OAL. If it had a basic mauser action it'd be better. I'd advise a Savage or Ruger.

amflyer
December 3, 2012, 12:59 PM
Since most compare this to the Ruger, I will give you the pros and cons of each:

Ruger
Pros: less cost. Feels more like a "regular" rifle with wood stock and contours. Better back-up sights. Safety is more secure and handier.

Cons: shorter barrel. Useless flash hider. Very large magazine at balance point. No center swivel for Ching Sling. Action is rougher. Trigger is poorer. Accuracy on whole seems less consistent than Steyr...have seen very good groups though from Ruger.

Steyr:
Pros: Longer barrel with normal crown. Better trigger; adjustable. Smoother action. Flush-fit magazine with another in reserve in rear of stock. Built-in bipod, third swivel for sling. Fold down reserve sights. Very light; less than 1 meter in length (Never measured the Ruger) Very accurate, higher velocity from 19" bbl.

Cons: Stock is injection molded and flexes slightly. Pricey. Back-up sights seem to be more "emergency only" in nature than Ruger.

Personal opinion: The Steyr is both closer to the original parameters of the Scout concept and nicer in function than the Ruger. True to the law of diminishing returns, it is not 2 to 2.5 times nicer. If the Ruger had a 19-20 inch non-threaded barrel and a flush-fit 6-round magazine, it would be a much more closer race between the two.

FYI; I own the Steyr and have handled and shot the Ruger quite a bit in comparison.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/amflyer/IMG_3629.jpg

henschman
December 3, 2012, 04:41 PM
Call me a cheapass, but as a scout rifle, I like the FR-8 Spanish Mauser better than either the Steyr or the Ruger!

psyopspec
December 3, 2012, 06:36 PM
I don't own either, but I've read a lot of the scout threads with interest over the years. I'd like to have both one day, but they stay low on the list since there really isn't anything they can do that my current rifles couldn't, and if I started to go that route I'm not sure why I wouldn't choose something like an AR-10. Perhaps it's out of my admiration for COL Cooper, or that same boyish part of me that wanted a Red Ryder when I was a kid, but I'd still be proud to own one.

Sock Puppet
December 3, 2012, 07:01 PM
OT: AMFlyer; what scope rings are on your Steyr?

H&Hhunter
December 3, 2012, 07:22 PM
I bought one of the first Scouts to hit the market. They are an incredible little all purpose rifle with accuracy that is out of this world. The trigger and the Ching sling and the built in bi-pod make them so easy to hit with that they are almost unfair to use sometimes.

That being said the scout concept definitely has it's limitations. The main one being the optic which becomes unusable with a low setting or rising sun behind you and the the fact that there are time in hunting where you just need more than a 2.5 power scope like trying to pick a deer out in low light in the brush. but overall the scout serves it's purpose as an all around general rifle with excellent results.

To answer the question above the rings are Steyr rings that come with the rifle in the Cooper package and the scope is a 2.5 power IER Leupold.

Over the years I've killed dozens of head of game with my Steyr including piles of feral hogs and deer and I've taken it Africa where it's killed kudu, impala, blessbok, wildebeest, warthog and I'm sure others that I am not remembering right now.

Here is the first critter I ever killed with my scout. This had to of been about 1998 or 99.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/GTAllyn/Nicehog1webready1.jpg

40 rod
December 3, 2012, 07:43 PM
I had the same frustration with light blocking out the scope , I started carrying it with an aimpoint red dot w/ magnifier. It was also a pita when on horseback, that chunky forend fits no saddle scabbard well. I finally put a conventional scope on it and passed it on to a family member. I just could'nt bear to sell such a fine rifle.

amflyer
December 3, 2012, 09:59 PM
Sock, those are the Steyr rings.

aubie515
December 3, 2012, 10:59 PM
Since most compare this to the Ruger, I will give you the pros and cons of each:

Ruger
Pros: less cost. Feels more like a "regular" rifle with wood stock and contours. Better back-up sights. Safety is more secure and handier.

Cons: shorter barrel. Useless flash hider. Very large magazine at balance point. No center swivel for Ching Sling. Action is rougher. Trigger is poorer. Accuracy on whole seems less consistent than Steyr...have seen very good groups though from Ruger.

Steyr:
Pros: Longer barrel with normal crown. Better trigger; adjustable. Smoother action. Flush-fit magazine with another in reserve in rear of stock. Built-in bipod, third swivel for sling. Fold down reserve sights. Very light; less than 1 meter in length (Never measured the Ruger) Very accurate, higher velocity from 19" bbl.

Cons: Stock is injection molded and flexes slightly. Pricey. Back-up sights seem to be more "emergency only" in nature than Ruger.

Personal opinion: The Steyr is both closer to the original parameters of the Scout concept and nicer in function than the Ruger. True to the law of diminishing returns, it is not 2 to 2.5 times nicer. If the Ruger had a 19-20 inch non-threaded barrel and a flush-fit 6-round magazine, it would be a much more closer race between the two.

FYI; I own the Steyr and have handled and shot the Ruger quite a bit in comparison.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/amflyer/IMG_3629.jpg
Most of your pros/cons are your opinion...it doesn't mean they are pros/cons. You said the Ruger GSR FH is useless...depends on who you ask since that means that the GSR is threaded and if you live in a free state that allows, you can remove that "useless FH" and add a suppressor.

Also, some people prefer the shorter barrel on the GSR over the Steyr scout.

Same goes for your comment about GSR mag...get a 3rd mag if the length bothers you so much.

IMO, I own the GSR and while it's a great rifle...if all things are equal, I'd be buying the Steyr Scout because I love Steyr firearms.

ShadowsEye
December 3, 2012, 11:10 PM
Most of your pros/cons are your opinion...

What else would they be? They aren't baseless opinions, he justifies why he doesn't like what he doesn't like.

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CraigC
December 3, 2012, 11:24 PM
I've handled the Steyr several times and while it is a fine rifle, I never felt the urge to whip out my wallet to the tune of $2000 or more. For my purposes, I could do better with the cash. I like the Ruger but also wish it had a slightly longer barrel and a walnut stock option but I love the sights, magazines and scope mount arrangement.

amflyer
December 4, 2012, 10:50 AM
Of course they are my opinions. Everyone knows that only God and my wife is correct all the time. (Actually, not sure about God. I will have to ask my wife)

H&Hhunter
December 4, 2012, 11:25 AM
aubie

Seriously, this the internet and the advice you receive here is worth exactly what you've paid for it.

And guess what? Your pros about the Ruger scout are just your opinion that may or may not set well with others.

Cooldill
December 4, 2012, 11:43 AM
Wow everyone thanks for the great responses. In a perfect world Ruger would come out with a new version of their scout rifle with an 18-20" barrel sans flash hider, smooth up the action and maybe make lightening cuts to the bolt/reciever to save weight, and use a lightweight polymer stock! THEN I would be on it like white on rice in a snowstorm!

I was very much interested in the Ruger scout ever since it came out a couple years ago, but there are some parts of the design I just can't buy into. From what knowledge I've gathered on the interwebs I think I will be looking up a Steyr scout when I get back to the states (currently living in Germany). It has many features that I find more attractive than the Ruger product.

I really need to find a place to shoot both rifles and compare them I know, but I don't know of anyone who owns either. I'll still be doing my research in the meantime!

Ro1911
December 4, 2012, 12:03 PM
I personally like the ruger better, higher cap mags, really nice iron sights, nicer stock IMO, and less goofy stuff built in to the rifle. PS I like the flash hider but then I'm not using mine for hunting or target shooting, the original scout concept was a defensive rifle that you could use to hunt with not the other way around. Also I'm going to ad that I don't personally own either of these rifles and don't subscribe to the scout concept, if I were you I'd buy an AR15 or AR10 which is right in between the two price wise and use it as a "scout" rifle just my 2 cents though.

amflyer
December 4, 2012, 12:04 PM
Cooldill,

My wish list for the Ruger would be one with the additions you mentioned and chambered in 350 Remington Magnum. Maybe in stainless?

henschman
December 4, 2012, 12:20 PM
I decided I could do better than any of the factory scouts (Savage, Steyr or Ruger) for less money. I bought a FR-8 Spanish Mauser for $260, and am in the process of turning it into my own scout. I don't have to change too much -- it is a great rifle as is. I am just installing an XS scout mount and a Fajen synthetic stock (so I can drill it for my sling mounts without messing up the nice wood stock). One thing it has that none of the others do is a stripper clip guide. Mauser stripper clips are a hell of a lot cheaper than AICS or Steyr mags, and are lighter and easier to carry around, too. I really don't know why you would design a bolt action scout rifle without a stripper clip guide. Even if the rifle takes detachable mags, it is still handy to be able to top them off in the rifle from strippers. That is one thing I like about my M1A.

CraigC
December 4, 2012, 12:27 PM
I could dig on some other chamberings in the Ruger as well. Maybe the 7mm08, .260Rem, .358Win and maybe a couple others. Walnut or a brown laminate, matte blued or blasted stainless, perhaps a 20" barrel. I don't generally care for laminates at all but the gray is the least appealing to me. The stainless/walnut model pictured in the other thread is about perfect!

mdauben
December 4, 2012, 01:23 PM
They are kind of interesting rifles. The problem is they are about $2,000. As such, they are not going to be big sellers.
This is why I didn't buy one years ago. ;)

mahansm
December 4, 2012, 03:26 PM
I've got one (Tactical version, with factory mount Leupold IER scope) in my gun safe. Somehow it's always my first choice when heading to the field for game. Light, handy to manipulate, great trigger, and very easy to hit with.

Yes, the scope could be higher power with bigger objective, but that's what binoculars are for, and it's what and where it is for very good reasons.

Cooldill
December 4, 2012, 04:31 PM
I agree about having stripper clips guides for a scout rifle! You save a great deal of weight, bulk, and MONEY with no real decrease in speed over a detachable magazine. How much are surplus 7.62x51mm 5 round stripper clips? A buck a pop if that? You can also find them in 10 round clips.

Steyr is asking for $75 for a 10 round mag for their scout not counting the adapter, I could get what maybe 50-100 10 round stripper clips for the same price of ONE 10 round magazine. Makes sense to me. No dis on the Steyr or any other of the factory scouts, but this would be a very handy feature to have.

gopguy
December 4, 2012, 06:22 PM
I really like my old Jeff Cooper package Steyr, bought this the first year they came out.


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Sheepdog1968
December 4, 2012, 06:33 PM
If you go out to the Styer website, they have a PDF of a comparison done by Gun Tests or Gun Reports (the magazine that doesn't take advertising; buys their firearms like we do then tests them. Kind of like the consumer reports for guns) on the Styer vs. the Ruger. The Styer won by a large ammount. You should read the report to decided what parameters matter to you.

If I did not have my 30-30 lever action with a scout scope (that I have absolutely fallen in love with), of the two I would probably choose either the Styer Scout or have Melvin Forbes make me one.

I know there are some companies such as Grizzly Custom who will modify some existing actions to accept stripper clips so this feature can be had if you really want it.

BigG
December 28, 2012, 08:12 PM
The Steyr is made to hit what you're shooting at. No matter if you think it costs too much, it does what it's supposed to and that's why it's the best because they don't build it to a price point. They make it work like it's supposed to.

Coal Dragger
December 28, 2012, 09:39 PM
I used to own one, and regret letting it go. Prices have remained stable on them, so maybe one day I'll pick up another one.

It was accurate, light, well made, and reliable for me. Furnished with two magazines with storage in the stock for the second was ingenious, and the bipod worked pretty well.

I do wish the bolt throw was lighter, especially since mine wouldn't hit a hard military primer with enough oomph to set it off. I also would have preferred a better set of iron sights, although as a SHTF back up they were OK and sighted in easily.

I have been tempted to buy a Ruger Gunsite scout rifle, but there are some things that hold me back like the 16" barrel, and the overly long magazines.

Cooldill
December 29, 2012, 01:24 AM
I know, the Ruger Gunsite is interesting and appealing with it's lower price point but it just has some things that put me off compared to the Steyr Scout. For one that 16" barrel is too short, the flash hider is silly and takes up room that a longer barrel should use and would pretty much give the same effect.

Some other abrasive features on the Ruger that have just kept me from picking one up. Hopefully the beautiful Steyr will continue to be produced, because as for now I don't have quite enough money to buy one.

The market is obviously nuts right now with the recent gun ban scares. I think if God forbid a senseless "assault weapon" ban would pass we will be seeing a resurgence in popularity of these types of arms.

langloisandy
December 29, 2012, 06:02 AM
I have owned a few of the Steyr Scouts, great guns. They balance nicely, shoot far better than I ever will and are great to hunt and target shoot with. You'll love it.

Andy

Strafer
December 29, 2012, 06:23 PM
This started out as a rusty, pitted barreled action. Shortened it to 20", recrowned, filled in pits with JB Weld, filed and sanded smooth. removed rear sight base, used 3/8" to Weaver adaptor and steel Weaver rings to mount Leatherwood 2-7x Scout scope. All parts coated with Brownell's Aluma-hyde II in "Coyote." ATI 'glass stock of course. Still to do: I have a sweet Yankee Machine muzzle brake I will add if i can get somebody to turn the muzzle down and thread it for less than an arm and leg. Will do the standard home trigger job. Oh, I will do a full camo paint job. I have a sling and swivels too. Pic posted in rifle country under Mosin Sporter Phase I.

Coal Dragger
December 29, 2012, 08:32 PM
No thanks on the bubba build.

Cooldill
December 30, 2012, 01:33 AM
I thought about building a Mosin scout rifle like that to, but I like my 91/30 just as it is. If I can ever get a Steyr scout for a reasonable price I will though. One good thing about Mosins is the ammo is still very cheap. I just ordered 880 rounds of 147 light ball from Sportsman's Guide for all of $190. Cant do that with .308 Win! I don't reload currently as living conditions don't allow it.

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