Need some AK advice please gents


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Collector0311
December 5, 2012, 01:16 AM
Gettin one. My entire collection is all American made weaponry and I'd like to keep it that way. Two questions. Who manufactures the best homegrown AK variants? And is there a "mil-spec" for AK's? Don't want to buy some company's version that they have tweaked in some small way to make it "better" that then won't allow me to find readily available parts. Hit me with some knowledge boys.

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Collector0311
December 5, 2012, 01:27 AM
Oh and just to clarify I would like the standard (scary, ooooh!!) look. No polymer for this one.

Aaron1100us
December 5, 2012, 01:51 AM
Why do you have to stay all American? Arsenal has the USA milled SAM-7 for around $1,900. I just bought their SLR101s which has a Bulgarian milled receiver for$1,000. The SAM-7 does come with wood furnature. But you can put wood furnature on any AK for cheap.

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Collector0311
December 5, 2012, 02:07 AM
I'd just prefer my business went to an American company, that's all.

FIVETWOSEVEN
December 5, 2012, 02:33 AM
I bought a AK74 from Interarms who is owned by High Standard. While it was put together by an American company, it is still largely Polish. You will find that all AKs have foreign parts in them. Century Arms claims to make a 100% American AK but I am still unsure about that plus it is made by Century. All AKs go through an American company. I would avoid Century Arms and I.O. and go with a company such as Interarms.

Collector0311
December 5, 2012, 02:44 AM
Thank you FIVETWOSEVEN, I'll look into interarms more deeply. Just out of curiosity though, with AK's being short-mid range weapons built on the "accuracy by volume" mantra, what is it about those other manufacturers that you find unappealing? If its ill manufactured parts that is one thing, but I'm not looking for a hole driller, I want the nasty, inaccurate, run til it melts, then light your cigarette with it AK

Aaron1100us
December 5, 2012, 02:55 AM
I heard to stay away from InterArms from others on here.

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FIVETWOSEVEN
December 5, 2012, 03:28 AM
Only once or twice I have heard about Interarms AKs being bad. I have nearly 4,000 rounds through my AK since I got it back in May so it is a hard use AK. Never had an issue or even a jam despite rarely oiling it. The build quality is superb and I don't have a single complaint. The issues I have seen with Century is about the quality of their builds. Canted front sights and magazines being difficult to insert. I.O. makes nice looking rifles that come with loose gas tubes which would bug me and a lot of times come with function problems. You could look those issues up. Centurys work most of the time but build quality suffers a lot of the time hence why I look down upon them.

Inebriated
December 5, 2012, 03:51 AM
Thank you FIVETWOSEVEN, I'll look into interarms more deeply. Just out of curiosity though, with AK's being short-mid range weapons built on the "accuracy by volume" mantra, what is it about those other manufacturers that you find unappealing? If its ill manufactured parts that is one thing, but I'm not looking for a hole driller, I want the nasty, inaccurate, run til it melts, then light your cigarette with it AK

Not all AK's are created equally. Like any rifle, quality of craftsmanship, fit, finish, etc. is what you're paying for. If you want an AK that simply shoots, a WASR 10/63 will be just fine. If you want accuracy, fit/finish, quality of parts and craftsmanship... look at Arsenal. IO falls somewhere in between, in my opinion. You can buy an Arsenal without seeing it and being confident it'll be a solid rifle. Some IO's I've seen make me think it's a "check it out first" thing, but I could be wrong on that. Not a lot of hands-on IO experience. If you want full custom work, look at Rifle Dynamics or Kreb's Customs. Lot's of options out there.

EDIT - what's this? No tantal/gf pic? You're slipping, FIVETWOSEVEN.

FIVETWOSEVEN
December 5, 2012, 04:23 AM
I need a new picture now since I've added a Midwest Industries rail and a Primary Arms Reflex sight and asked my GF to marry me. :cool:

FIVETWOSEVEN
December 5, 2012, 04:47 AM
Plus I am on my Cellphone which lacks the ability to post pictures. Couldn't do it even if I wanted to. :p

Inebriated
December 5, 2012, 04:49 AM
Don't bother, no one wants to see a rail with ring scratches everywhere! :D Congrats

FIVETWOSEVEN
December 5, 2012, 05:11 AM
Her left hand is on the pistol grip, she's wrong handed. No ring scratches on the rail yet. ;) Thanks. Going back on subject, if you don't care about small things like a canted front site or mags being difficult to seat (both are fairly easy fixes) then a Century WASR will serve you well. Make sure to inspect one before buying for best results.

Davek1977
December 5, 2012, 05:17 AM
You aren't going to find anything that resembles a 100% US made AK in today's marketplace. Such a beast doesnt exist

JFtheGR8
December 5, 2012, 07:20 AM
My suggestion would be to buy a Saiga and see just how many American parts YOU can put in it during the conversion process.


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Girodin
December 5, 2012, 07:45 AM
You can buy an Arsenal without seeing it and being confident it'll be a solid rifle.

I've seen more than a couple Arsenal screw ups as well. Things like canted sights and horrible finishes. I'd wager they happen in lower percentages than say CIA guns but they certainly still happen. Personally I wont buy from Arsenal for their politics alone (campaign donors to Harry Reid). That said there are, for what I like and want better buys anyhow.

As said there are no real 100% US made guns. You can find kit builds that US us receivers and barrels and a few other parts. However, quality wise, these tend to be the worst guns on the market. I'd have a Russian imported barrel/receiver/BCG and then put US FGC and furniture on it, either a saiga or a vepr as a base gun.

I'd just prefer my business went to an American company, that's all.

It will surely go towards the vendor who sales it too you and the US importer of the gun. I'm not sure their is an AK that doesn't begin with at least an imported parts kit. I guess there is difference in degree of what goes to a non US company, however, its not a big enough difference, or enough money that on a one time purchase I would worry about it or sacrifice owning a better gun. You can even get your converted Russian gun from a US company that has done it and support them too.

briansmithwins
December 5, 2012, 09:15 AM
Arsenal has their milled receiver SLR-101S out right now. Not something that's normally available.

They clean up right nice, too!

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BSW

Collector0311
December 5, 2012, 09:33 AM
Thanks a ton fellas, when it comes to AR's I'm usually one of the guys responding to posts like this, but AK's have never demanded my attention until recently.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised to learn that myriad parts from overseas find their way into US assembled AK's.
I guess I am just not looking to replace any parts out of necessity y'know? But rather, future preference. But I also don't think I'm willing to throw down $1900 for a lead slinger. Seems like a delicate balance.

Babarsac
December 5, 2012, 09:48 AM
There is no thing as an American-made AK, and I have serious reservations about what Century says about their M10. It's going to come to two choices, a kit-build or a straight import from overseas. Now there are some very good kit builds out there, or you could buy a kit and receiver and have a reputable builder assemble exactly what you want. As for the imports they are less common but are the real deal. The VEPR's are pricey but very nice. If you look around on the forums your can pick up a Romanian SAR rifle for a good price.

Last year I picked up a Romanian SAR-2 (5.45x39) locally for $350 , makes for a great lead chunker.

curtix
December 5, 2012, 11:38 AM
IO Sporter - "Our SPORTER rifle is made to true Polish blueprints. It comes with one 30 rd I.O.INC waffle pattern magazine and accessories. It is made to highest quality standards. The rifle is made in the USA and backed up by our LIFETIME manufacturers warranty."
From their site and just want you want. ( www.ioinc.us )

Collector0311
December 5, 2012, 04:35 PM
Welp, after going into the store and playing with about 6 different manufacturers I went with the only one that didn't sound like maracas when I wiggled it around. The Zastava. Judge away :)

Collector0311
December 5, 2012, 04:37 PM
And yes I realize I strayed from my want of a US built rifle. But it's all of your faults!!! Haha

FIVETWOSEVEN
December 5, 2012, 04:39 PM
From their site and just want you want.

Except for their horrible reputation.

Collector0311
December 5, 2012, 05:13 PM
Yeah, all of the IO's I picked up sounded like rocks in a coffee can when I shook em. This Zastava feels solid as all hell and the action feels buttery smooth. Will make a short new topic after firing. Guy at LGS said he owns one and decided not to clean it until his first malfunction. That was over 30,000 rounds ago.

Edited because I cannot spell I guess.

Quentin
December 5, 2012, 05:44 PM
American made? Well there's the Mini-30!

I got a WASR five years ago, also sounds like rocks in a coffee can but it sure shoots.

Hokkmike
December 5, 2012, 06:15 PM
Collector0311 while I admire your "buy America" sentiment I think the prevailing thinking is that the "better" AK's are made by the Chinese and Russians.

Of course there are a lot of opinions out there, but I would suggest that in somethings in might be more prudent to go with quality before country in SOME purchases only. Please don't misconstrue that. I am a veteran as were my brother, mom, dad, and uncle.

In guns I LOVE Winchester and Ruger - but they are not in the AK market.

I certainly would be happy to hear about anybody's positive review of an AMERICAN made or assembled AK.

Good luck to you.

AethelstanAegen
December 5, 2012, 06:37 PM
I think you generally hear people complain about Inter Ordinance rifles...Interarms is a completely different company. I have been VERY happy with my Interarms Tantal. It's accurate and very reliable.

curtix
December 6, 2012, 10:22 AM
The BAD rep IO had was with their Polish imports, not the US Made ones.
Just to be clear.

aka108
December 6, 2012, 12:41 PM
I own a Arsenal SA M7S which has a lot of US parts including the milled reciever and action. Barrel and bolt are Bulgarian, so they state. Bought mine years ago for 700 bucks. I don't see 1,900 bucks in them, didn't really see 700 either when I purchased. Anyhow they are probably the better of the AK's on the market if you want to spend the bucks.

Girodin
December 6, 2012, 01:29 PM
My gripe with IO is with their horrible, horrible, customer service. Even if their guns were as good as others available, which I do not believe they are, I still wouldn't want to buy from them.

-v-
December 6, 2012, 11:13 PM
I take your all's comments on IO/Interarms and raise it a "buy a saiga and use your drill press to convert it in 30 minutes".

On a side note, does the Zastava PAP have the CHF chrome lined barrel? I thought I read that it did, but not 100% sure.

Girodin
December 7, 2012, 12:38 AM
I know the PAP 92 pistol doesn't have a chrome lined barrel. It lacks chrome and has a slanted rear trunion making more difficult to add a stock to than the dracos and it only cost about $300 more than they did. Yet the hinged dust cover has some people tripping over themselves about them. I don't get it.

A quick search turns up some people claiming the PAP rifle does not have a chrome lined barrel. There is no mention of chrome lining anywhere that has them in stock, that suggests to me that they probably are not.

stubbicatt
December 7, 2012, 08:00 AM
The Yugo kits that were sold here did not have chrome lined bores. I suspect that they carried over this manufacturing decision into their civilian rifles.

JFtheGR8
December 7, 2012, 10:11 AM
No drill press required to convert a Saiga. A cheap Dremel type tool for grinding rivets and the mag catch and a cordless drill for the pins and bullet guide. I didn't even use a vise when I did mine. You'll need to cut off the front sight base and thread the barrel for what you want but that's not too tough either.


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December 7, 2012, 12:34 PM
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Girodin
December 7, 2012, 06:07 PM
A drill press is nice and makes certain things easier, but like a dremel, isn't absolutely required.

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