Adding a shoulder stock to a handgun?


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hAkron
December 5, 2012, 02:33 PM
See the following Masterpiece Arms listing on Armslist

http://www.armslist.com/posts/700321/cleveland-ohio-handguns-for-sale--masterpiece-arms-mac-10-style-uzi--45

I would assume that this is qualifies as a pistol, but one of the pictures shows a metal stock that can be attached, would that make it an SBR?

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Storm
December 5, 2012, 03:16 PM
Yup. Even if it said to be for "looks" just having that stock off of the gun and under the same roof it might as well be on the gun.

pikid89
December 5, 2012, 03:19 PM
I wouldnt touch that with a 10 ft pole

In my area, about a year ago, a dude got arrested by the County Sheriff for selling a MP5K pistol with an un-attached stock and was charged with Constructive Possession

hAkron
December 5, 2012, 04:45 PM
If the fake suppressor were to be attached along with the wire stock, would the fake suppressor make the barrel long enough to qualify it is a non-SBR? I'm not planning on buying this or anything, I just saw it listed and figured this would be a good opportunity to learn something.

pikid89
December 5, 2012, 07:16 PM
probably not, the muzzle needs to be at least 16" from the bolt face, as well as permanently attached i.e., pinned and welded

Sam1911
December 5, 2012, 07:21 PM
If the fake suppressor were to be attached along with the wire stock, would the fake suppressor make the barrel long enough to qualify it is a non-SBR?Yes -- IF the fake suppressor was pinned and welded (permanently attached) and brought the length from the closed breechface to the muzzle of the fake can to 16".

AND, if the "fake" can doesn't actually produce any sound reduction at all, which may also not be true. Some "fake" cans have had to be taken off the market as (while not great suppressors) they provided enough noise reduction to be considered unregistered Title II firearms.

The stock itself is enough to prove that the seller (at best) doesn't have any idea what he's doing wrong and how dangerous this is.

Unregistered Title II firearm = $250,000 fine AND 10 years in jail.

HankB
December 5, 2012, 10:39 PM
There are only a handful of pistols that don't require SBR paperwork when equipped with original, vintage shoulder stocks (Lugers, Broomhandle Mausers, I'm not sure about Hi Powers) and I don't think MAC/Ingram clones are among them. I wouldn't have anything to do with this one.

And what the heck is a "MAC 10 style UZI" ? Is that something like a Colt 1911 style Glock? :confused:

Oddball ad copy, advertised on an open forum without any mention of SBR paperwork? This one just doesn't pass the smell test; maybe the seller is just ignorant, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was some sort of sting.

knifestuff
December 6, 2012, 12:52 AM
Only certain High Powers qualify for exclusion from AOW considerations. I don't have the ATF reg right at hand, but Inglis High powers made under Chinese contract w/ the original wooden stock are part of that group.

MachIVshooter
December 6, 2012, 01:07 AM
The stock itself is enough to prove that the seller (at best) doesn't have any idea what he's doing wrong and how dangerous this is.

Most people know almost nothing of SBR and AOW regs, and believe supressors and machine guns are illegal.

Just poke around on youtube for awhile and see if you can count how many SBR/SBS are constructed, and how many VFGs get attached to pistols. People just don't know. Not that ignorance is an excuse.

lilguy
December 6, 2012, 08:52 AM
Could you walk in and just pay for and walk out with the gun only and be ok?

Sam1911
December 6, 2012, 08:57 AM
Yes, absolutely. Don't touch or take (even if offered for free!) the stock (and maybe not that "fake" can, either) and you'd be fine.

hAkron
December 6, 2012, 09:47 AM
I contacted the seller and informed him of his potential folly and he deactivated the listing. He said he was unclear on the regs and was going to do some research. I don't think anything nefarious was going on. Just an honest mistake around a dumb confusing law.

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