Czech weapons underated?


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dak0ta
December 5, 2012, 06:44 PM
Hi,

I have been some research on Czech/Czechoslovakian weapons and I'm really impressed with the military and sporting designs.

The CZ 75, vz 58, vz 24 Mauser, Brno .22 rifles, CZ 550 sporting rifles just to name a few.

Anybody have a source for more info on gun making in the former Czechoslovakia?

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Skribs
December 5, 2012, 06:47 PM
I don't think they're underrated. I don't personally like the designs, but that's more a preference issue. I think the CZ 75 is probably one of the most popular pistols.

Trent
December 5, 2012, 06:57 PM
Czech has a history of fine weapons as far back as WW II. The ZB37 design is pretty spectacular. :)

dak0ta
December 5, 2012, 06:59 PM
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sawdeanz
December 5, 2012, 07:07 PM
Thanks for the video link dakota!

Roadking Rider
December 5, 2012, 07:08 PM
I think CZ's are some of the best and most reliable pistols in todays market. The CZ 75 series of pistols fit your hand like you should have been born with it in your hand. I also have an older (1987) CZ 82 chambered in 9x18 round that is just incredable. It is by far the best $200 I ever spent on a pistol. My next pistol will be a (Nato approved) CZ-PO-1 or PCR. I'm a big fan of how they fit your hand, there reliability, and there natural pointability. Although I've never had to use them I hear there CS is quite good.

ApacheCoTodd
December 5, 2012, 07:17 PM
Underrated? I've seen no sign of that.

Underrepresented in military and law enforcement roles? Probably so.

Trent
December 5, 2012, 07:35 PM
Holy crap they have some cool toys in that factory. :)

The laser sighting tool for the handguns was pretty neat.

And ... I want the handgun they showed that goes "BRRRRRP"

allaroundhunter
December 5, 2012, 07:39 PM
Underrated? Not at all. Rarely if ever do I hear bad things about them.

Now, they aren't used as often as Glock, Springfield, or S&W and the like so I would say they are relatively unknown to a large part of the US public.

If more people were to use them, then I expect that they would gain popularity very quickly.

dak0ta
December 5, 2012, 07:56 PM
Seems like most people have experience with their handguns, but what about the rifles?

oneounceload
December 5, 2012, 08:03 PM
Just remember that CZ doesn't always make all of the guns with their brand

Huglu shotguns come to mind

dak0ta
December 5, 2012, 08:13 PM
True, and under the communists everything was branded as Brno.

68wj
December 5, 2012, 08:21 PM
I like the VZ58. Simple, well designed, accurate, and reliable.

allaroundhunter
December 5, 2012, 08:29 PM
CZ rifles are very nice..... very nice....

To be honest, I think everyone that has a gun collection of at least 5 rifles should have at least 1 CZ

armoredman
December 5, 2012, 10:32 PM
I'm sorry, was somebody playing my song? :)

I have been a CZ guy for some years now, and almost, (not all), the guns we have are CZs. This is my carry pistol, the CZ SP-01 Phantom.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/CZ%20posters/Phantomattherange.jpg

I am fond of the rifles, too, that's for certain! My CZ 527M carbine in 7.62x39mm, for example,

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/527/Choosethebest.jpg

And my son's CZ 452 Scout .22lr rifle,

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Rickys%20range%20day/Rickyontarget2.jpg

Now, just to keep history straight, the factory at Uhersky Brod does NOT make the SA vz-58 rifles imported into the US, such as mine, 7.62x39mm on the left, 5.56mm on the right.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/vz%2058%205%2056mm/Brothersinarms.jpg

Those are being made by Czech Small Arms in the Czech Republic and imported by CzechpointUSA. Also, the current company, CZUB, was born in 1992, and unfortunately has nothing to do with the venerable but very cool vz-24 Mauser rifles.

The 550 series are excellent, but if you really want to see the whole lineup, call 1-800-955-4486, and request a catalog - the lineup just keeps getting better...:)

If you like the SA vz-58 rifles, let me introduce you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-WD_pkAx9s

...and a better look at the 5.56mm version...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsZEaABt1tM

And my favorite pistols, the CZ-75 Phantom, (one of my first videos),

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC42QLurfrQ

And the extra nifty Kadet Kit Adapter on my CZ 75 P-01. Just finished this video, hope you like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I113YlYGavI

chris in va
December 5, 2012, 11:11 PM
A question.

There's a VZ-58 'sporter' for sale at my LGS, $599. How can I tell if it's a single or double stack?

armoredman
December 6, 2012, 12:05 AM
Short or long magazine? Single stack ten round mag is pretty short and thin. The regular rifles come with 30 round mags standard, depending on where you live. For that price, most likely it's a Century vz2008. That's also too high - J&G usually runs them for about $100 less.

Capybara
December 6, 2012, 12:55 AM
Not underrated to me. I have a CZ527 Varmint, a CZ75 SP-01 and I just picked up a CZ82 from J&G Sales this week up in Prescott. I love CZs.

History.Doc
December 6, 2012, 01:29 AM
Count me as another cz fan. I really like all of mine.

Ky Larry
December 6, 2012, 09:27 AM
Underrated? Depends on who you ask. I have 7 CZ pistols, 5 CZ rimfire rifles, and 3 centerfire CZ rifles.

M2 Carbine
December 6, 2012, 09:29 AM
I only have about ten CZ rifles and pistols but they are good guns.


The only problem I've seen is the old CZ52 firing when the hammer drop thumb safety is pushed ON. (hole through my shop wall)

tyeo098
December 6, 2012, 10:48 AM
I have my CZ75B on my hip right now.

Love it.

777TRUTH
December 6, 2012, 11:30 AM
Underrated by many? Yes, but not by me.

The Lone Haranguer
December 6, 2012, 03:56 PM
As a previous post stated, underrepresented is much more appropriate than underrated. I personally love my 75D Compact, aka PCR, as well as (unfortunately this is past tense) the 452 "Training Rifle." That rifle could shoot the whisker off a gnat. :D

fatcat4620
December 6, 2012, 06:56 PM
They just don't sell the cool ones here.
http://www.czub.cz/upload/cz-big/CZ_SCORPION_EVO_3_A1.png
http://www.czub.cz/upload/cz-big/CZ_805_BREN_A1.png

Hotshot10
December 6, 2012, 07:33 PM
CZ offers some of the best values in firearms, I think. Most of its firearms are reasonably priced, and the one that I own (452) is insanely accurate.

sawdeanz
December 6, 2012, 07:37 PM
I love my cz p07 its a great value. I usually hear great things about them

MrDig
December 6, 2012, 07:38 PM
Of particular Value for the money are the Mil Surp/LE trade ins like the CZ 82/83 that seem to be ubiquitous. The only complaints I hear are that detail stripping them is like arm wrestling an octopus and putting them back together is worse

Bohemus
December 6, 2012, 07:45 PM
Czech has a history of fine weapons as far back as WW II. The ZB37 design is pretty spectacular. :)

If you czech out etymology of such words as a pistol and howitzer, you ll find out it goes back way futher than just ww2;) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpaeyIbk8N8&feature=player_detailpage#t=118s)

Any yes i would love to own TK vz.37 ZB53.

Quick Shot xMLx
December 6, 2012, 08:07 PM
I really liked the underrepresented comment, at least when it comes to the CZ pistols. A lot of people know about them but you just don't see that many around when compared to other manufacturers.

Now I think the VZ58 is underrated. Anytime I mention one as an alternative to someone looking for an Arsenal or something like that I'm met with crickets. People simply don't know about them.

armoredman
December 6, 2012, 09:17 PM
fatcat, an interesting tidbit in the new CZ catalog, (1-800-955-4486), is a brief, ever so brief mention of a semi-auto version of the EVO being seen in the Czech Republic...

Quick Shot, point them to this video. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-WD_pkAx9s

1 old 0311-1
December 6, 2012, 09:36 PM
I baan a CZ fan for 30 years, back then the 75's had to be imported through Canada. Design, quality, and reliability, are as good as any, and better than most. The country is just coming out of a split with Slovakia and occupation by the Russians.
They are the best deal out there now, German, and Swiss craftsmanship, but prices there are still low. Another few years they will be priced like their neighbors firearms. HIGH!:what::what:

Buck Nekkid
December 6, 2012, 10:16 PM
I, too, am a CZ-aholic! I've got about a dozen CZ pistols, one in every caliber that they have ever produced. My oldest is a CZ 24 (1927) and my newest is a polished stainless 75B. They are just awesome!!

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/ottonsure/003.jpg

My refinished/re-gripped CZ 82--one of my favorites!

StrutStopper
December 6, 2012, 10:37 PM
A CZ 455 American is on my short list. Not sure about under rated. I notice that the CZ forum over at RFC typically has the most users at any given time.

toivo
December 6, 2012, 11:51 PM
Just remember that CZ doesn't always make all of the guns with their brand

Huglu shotguns come to mind
Are there others? I thought it was only the shotguns. I heard a rumor that the new 512 rimfire semi- auto is made in Italy, but as far as I know, all the others are made by CZ in the Czech Republic.

I'm a big CZ fan. I have two 452 rimfires: a Trainer and a Full-Stock (Mannlicher type). I have Brno aperture sights on the Trainer, and I once shot a 99 out of 100 with it in my club's Sporterifle league.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/07/7equdura.jpg(Shot at 50 ft., standing, offhand, unsupported.)

I also have two CZ-82s in 9x18 Makarov and two CZ-83s: one in .380 and one in 32. Yeah, I'm a fan.

armoredman
December 7, 2012, 01:21 AM
No, the 512 is all CZ. The rifles and pistols are all CZ - the shotguns imported into the US are Huglu and Arrak brands. Good solid guns with good pedigrees. :) I like my CZ 712 semi auto - it rocks.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/712/712withbarrelclamp.jpg

BLACKHAWKNJ
December 7, 2012, 02:03 AM
The Third Reich thought highly of them, they got a great deal of production out of the Skoda Works-my CZ 27 has the Waffenamt stamp. Its ergonomics are a little clunky, but it is well made.

Ian
December 7, 2012, 10:01 AM
The Brits thought pretty highly too, adopting the ZB-26/30/33 as the Bren gun. You can make a pretty strong case for that family being the best LMG ever made.

Here's a Czech rifle you've probably never seen before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TTGC4zz6eA

rodinal220
December 7, 2012, 10:18 AM
The CZ Sa 23 series(Sa 24, Sa 25, and Sa 26) of SMGs influenced Uziel Gals design of the world famous UZI Smg,notably the hands-find-hands mag/pistol grip and the telescoping bolt.

Boxhead
December 7, 2012, 01:48 PM
They have, for years, and continue to build some of the finest guns out there.

Twmaster
December 8, 2012, 06:46 PM
Under represented are the words I'd use to describe CZ and Czech firearms in general.

I own 2 CZ handguns including a relatively new P-07 in 9MM. I also own two BRNO rifles. A 1931 vz.24 and a 1950 ZKM-468 .22LR single shot bolt gun.

Add to that a Czech .177 pellet rifle.

The P-07 will be in my carry line-up so you can say I trust my life to that pistol.

CB900F
December 9, 2012, 01:20 PM
Dak0ta;

As many others on this thread have stated, I have several CZ firearms. The CZ452 is a very high quality rimfire rifle that enjoys a sterling reputation for accuracy. I've never heard a complaint about a major problem with one of their guns. Minor complaints, sure even had one of my own, but CZ also has a enviable reputation for taking care of those immediately with no hassle.

900F

Blackstone
December 9, 2012, 08:07 PM
Definitely going to pick up a CZ452 as my first rimfire, already have a CZ 75 Shadow pistol

Ignition Override
December 9, 2012, 10:09 PM
Quick Shot xMLx.:

Lots of those AK owners will wish that they had read up on the VZ 58.

I can't imagine spending $500 or more on a rifle that is a higher-end AK but still has no BHO or the other features of the VZ.
Some simply want multiple, cheap AK magazines to fill.

sawdeanz
December 9, 2012, 10:29 PM
Underrepresented is how I think of them. They are sort of newer on the scene, dealing with the whole fall of communism and what not. I almost never see them in gunshops around here

orionengnr
December 9, 2012, 10:41 PM
Just remember that CZ doesn't always make all of the guns with their brand

For instance, the DW 1911s that are CZ branded...

bikerdoc
December 10, 2012, 09:41 AM
Another big fan here. Never understood why they are not more popular.

Ken451
December 10, 2012, 09:41 PM
For instance, the DW 1911s that are CZ branded...
Not true. Dan Wesson is owned by CZ-USA (which is owned by CZ AFAIK.)

One hears a lot of praise and very few complaints about CZ firearms.

I've had a CZ-75B (and the Kadet .22 adapter) for 15 years and a CZ-527 carbine for ten. Excellent guns.

Ken

soonerfan85
December 10, 2012, 10:28 PM
I have a beautiful BRNO ZKM 611.

That's her below the Remington Gallery Gun.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k5/triumphdaytonafan/DSC01806.jpg

Hate to admit that I've never fired her, but she was unfired, other than factory test target, when I bought her a few years back at an estate auction. Have the test target, original box, manual etc. One day I'll get tired of her taking up space in my gun safe and sell her. Leaving her in the safe unfired may be the hardest dang thing I've ever done. I guess you could say mine is over appreciated and underutilized. My next 22lr purchase will be a CZ BA to shoot, and shoot often.

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