Silver tip ammo


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josiewales
December 5, 2012, 07:45 PM
Hi guys,
I'm hunting with a Mosin this year and was wondering, would 150 gr. silver tip ammo be good for whitetails? Thanks in advance.:)

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morcey2
December 5, 2012, 08:15 PM
Are you talking surplus silver tip a.k.a. light ball? Or CT ballistic silvertip? I don't know about where you are, but non-expanding bullets are illegal for medium/big game here in Utah.

If you're talking about the Combined Technologies bullet, if it shoots well from the rifle, it should work.

Matt

josiewales
December 5, 2012, 08:24 PM
They aren't ballistic tips.


Please don't think I am mad or anything but I do know the laws of my state. :)

MCgunner
December 5, 2012, 08:42 PM
Only silver tips I've used were in .257 Roberts when the "+P" loading came out and they worked well, though I still prefer my handloads. I took two deer, a doe and a decent 7 point with the silver tip. Full penetration with a nice exit wound. I would think they'd be a decent choice for the Mosin in 7.62x54R based on how they worked in the Roberts. It's a heavier bullet. I was shooting a 100 grain. Great expansion and you're working with more lead.

Another bonus in my gun/caliber, they were quite accurate.

josiewales
December 5, 2012, 09:08 PM
In your .257 Roberts, wouldn't they have been ballistic tip?
These are the russian surplus.

courtgreene
December 5, 2012, 09:19 PM
They will be good for shooting into a whitetail, yes. They will be bad for expanding inside of a whitetail, and will cause you to have to do a lot of tracking. Regardless of your state laws, I wouldn't recommend it. You can probably get PRVI soft points at your door step in like three days if you order them tonight. That's assuming no one sells them in your area, in which case you could pick some up tomorrow. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/773893/prvi-partizan-ammunition-762x54mm-rimmed-russian-762x53mm-rimmed-150-grain-soft-point-box-of-20

MCgunner
December 5, 2012, 10:27 PM
In your .257 Roberts, wouldn't they have been ballistic tip?
These are the russian surplus.

These were Winchester factory silver tips 30 years ago. They weren't called "Ballistic tips". They had a silver (actually aluminum) tip to promote expansion without lead exposure. I didn't know you meant Russian ammo. Not the same, sorry.

ssyoumans
December 5, 2012, 11:47 PM
Pick up some ammo suitable for hunting. The Prvi Parizan ammo is good stuff and is not going to break the bank. It pushes within 10 fps of the Russian surplus out of my 1942 M38 Mosin Nagant. Averaged 2613 fps from the short barreled M38

leadcounsel
December 6, 2012, 05:25 AM
FMJ ammo is not suitable for hunting.

Spend a few dollars on some actual hunting ammo.

josiewales
December 6, 2012, 09:17 AM
Ok thanks! Just wasn't sure!

josiewales
December 6, 2012, 10:21 AM
McCgunner, I have used Winchester silvertips before in my Savage 111 in .243. It was deadly. 3/4 -1 inch groups at 100 yards, only shot one doe with it. 125 yard offhand shot through the lungs. Expansion was perfect.

courtgreene
December 6, 2012, 01:58 PM
I used those in several of my guns before I started reloading and they do work very well. That said, I've never seen one in 7.62x54r and doubt they make them loaded. I also don't know if combined technologies makes the bullets in .311-.312" diameter. So those may not even be an option. But, you and your mosin-nagant will be perfectly fine with PRVI soft points, see my post above. There's nothing else (brass cased) that is anywhere near to those in price, and everything I've heard about their terminal performance is good. I haven't shot a deer with them, but I have shot plenty of targets with them, and they shoot very well from my gun (scoped) consistently shooting 1.5" 5 shot groups at 100 yards. That's not just with me shooting but also several of my friends.

josiewales
December 7, 2012, 03:55 PM
Would a steel core round work just as well?

morcey2
December 7, 2012, 04:22 PM
Would a steel core round work just as well?
NO! Almost all of the surplus silver tip is steel core. Don't use it. You need an soft-point expanding round for hunting. All any FMJ bullet will do is create a little tiny hole through the deer, causing it an unnecessarily slow death, and causing you to do more tracking than necessary.

Unless you are really out in the boonies, you can probably find S&B, PPU, or Winchester soft points somewhere nearby.

Matt

josiewales
December 7, 2012, 04:35 PM
I see. I'm pretty new to bullet types/weights.

ercnjasmine
December 10, 2012, 11:50 AM
I believe Brown Bear has some 203 grain soft point hammers for the Mosins. Mine shot great with it. I'd have to look when I get home to verify though. 99% sure it is Brown Bear though

brnmw
December 10, 2012, 02:14 PM
PPU's are great and pretty easy to find. If you happen to find Wolf "Gold' they are the same thing. >>> SP, SP, SP.... for Hunting.
Good luck. :)

"SP, SP, SP.... for Hunting." -- Obviously applies to areas where FMJ's are not legal. Check your laws, always.

caribou
December 10, 2012, 08:29 PM
Its all about Placement, and I , Legally here in Alaska, have used FMJ's with ABSOLUTELY no problem for almost 20 years of hunting for a living.

A .30 cal hole through a deers Heart or brain kills them as dead as a soft point. "Drilling tiny holes" is Bunk. Most all calibers 'tumble" after impact anyways. I found Czeck silvertip LPS did that VERY well, causeing wounds that kill VERY quickly.
countless Caribou, Brown Bears, Whales, Muskox, all die when shot proper.

The only thing that would stop me from useing FMJ's would be the law.

I have decades of Hunting with such, and in Alaska we call FMJ's "Alaskan Solids" , and their performance is not a problem, and haveing a steel cored bullet completly penatrate and exit a Brown Bear is plenty good in my Book. Works in Africa too, from what I hear, but Im only talking personal experiance.

Check your laws!! Good luck Hunting.

josiewales
December 11, 2012, 09:02 AM
Yes I've read some of the things you do with mosins. :)

j1
December 11, 2012, 09:09 AM
I know that assuming is not a good thing to do but the only silvertip I have ever used would be Winchester silvertip which expand extremely well in my 30 06 using 150 grain bullets.

josiewales
December 11, 2012, 03:08 PM
I know that assuming is not a good thing to do

Darn right! And I have used winchester silvertips in .243 and they are very accurate and expand well.

josiewales
December 11, 2012, 03:09 PM
Caribou, do you really use a mosin to hunt brown bears?WHALES? When can I come hunt with you?

Kachok
December 11, 2012, 03:28 PM
Winchester Silver Tips ARE NOT Ballistic Tips there is in fact a difference between them. If you are looking for quality hunting bullets in a surplus rifle caliber Pavi is the first place I look, they make REALLY good stuff in some odd calibers. I tried their 139gr SP 6.5x55 on deer and it works like a charm. It did not come apart despite striking the shoulder socket at close range and still drove though leaving a silver dollar sized exit wound, not bad for small ring Mauser pressures (2550fps)

sage5907
December 11, 2012, 03:33 PM
The original Winchester silvertip ammo sold several years ago was a standard jacketed bullet with a canulure groove and with the tip covered with a thin aluminum shield. I've shot whitetail with them and they shoot good and expland as intended. I have several boxes of 100 grain 25 caliber and 130 grain 270 caliber for reloading. Anyone can send me a message if they are interested in buying some at a good price. Shooter

rcmodel
December 11, 2012, 06:09 PM
Please don't think I am mad or anything but I do know the laws of my state.Well, you better know them by heart before you decide to go deer hunting!

I don't know of any state that allows the use of non-expanding military bullets for hunting big game.

You failed to complete your member signature, so I have no idea what state you live in or I would post a link..

But you should be able to pick up a hunting regulation booklet at any location that sells hunting licenses.

rc

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