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just for fun
December 5, 2012, 10:59 PM
Or any of the other small towns in the area! Live in a small (78k) town on the Ga./Fl. border. We have the typical 2-3 gun stores per town and maybe four of them sell reloading supplies. None of which have any small pistol primers. All have the same story, expect to have some in any day now, check back with us in a few days. Sure thing, thanks.
Got this little gun store that's about 100 miles (round trip) that had a box of Fed. match SP primers for $34 and standard Winchester SP at $38 p/1K. Also had Federal SP match magnum for $34 P/1K so picked up a box of them too.
What's the story in your area? I know about the election thing and last time it seemed as though it took about 9 months to catch back up! My fear is this time it will take longer! thoughts?

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GSPKurt
December 5, 2012, 11:03 PM
Hit the Pensacola or Tallahassee gun shows. There was no shortage of primers at the Tampa show last weekend.

tightgroup tiger
December 5, 2012, 11:16 PM
Got this little gun store that's about 100 miles (round trip) that had a box of Fed. match SP primers for $34 and standard Winchester SP at $38 p/1K.

Holly crap! I'm still buying WSP primers for $29.00/k at my LGS. It will catch up with us here in my area in NC soon enough I suppose. Makes me glad I keep between 10k and 15k of primers here at all times.

I feel for you dude.

You may want to try Powder Valley or Natchez, buy in bulk from Powder Valley with powder to offset the hazardous freight charge before you can't get any at all. Powder Valley will ship powder and primers together in same package. That really helps.

GSPKurt
December 5, 2012, 11:24 PM
You may want to try Powder Valley or Natchez, buy in bulk from Powder Valley with powder to offset the hazardous freight charge before you can't get any at all. Powder Valley will ship powder and primers together in same package. That really helps.

Good advice...

megaton
December 6, 2012, 12:12 AM
Primers are still readily available but when I picked up a box of LRP last week the only type of primer not fully stocked was small pistol. They did have a few boxes, I bought one. 27.99 for cci.

Huskerguy
December 6, 2012, 12:48 AM
I just picked up two cases of each for just under $26.00 a thousand. That is a per case price not a package deal. I felt good about those prices. I had to drive about 20 miles to pick it up, well worth the trip. This is in central Kansas and no it is not Powder Valley which is about 100 miles away.

Milamber
December 6, 2012, 12:53 AM
Drive up to Perry Ga, the Sports Center has lots of Federal Small Pistol Match. Shelf was bare of any others mind you. No one locally seems to have .40 bullets though. Fortunately no hazmat fee on bullets !

ArchAngelCD
December 6, 2012, 01:59 AM
If your car is like most it will cost you at least 4 gallons of gas or more to make that 100 mile round trip. That means the gas will cost you ~$16. Add the fact you pay tax on the purchase you will probably be close to covering the Hazmat fee if you decide to buy from Powder Valley as long as you order enough. Maybe you can get a group buy together with a few reloaders in your area since you are all in the same no primer available boat.

Actually you will probably cover the Hazmat fee with the lower prices for primers on the PV site. Locally you said they cost $34 and PV has the same Federal primers for only $26. @ a savings of $8/1000 you will cover the Hazmat fee with a purchase of only 3000 primers.

Reefinmike
December 6, 2012, 02:11 AM
prices here in ohio haven't changed, $30/k cci/win spp at the funshow. I gave up on the local funshow for reloading supplies after someone i see frequently at the range sent me to a hole in the wall gun store with tons of reloading supplies. they have cci spp for $35 and srp for $32. ive been using the small rifle primers for pistol for a while.

here soon when santa brings a few bucks my way, im ordering a boatload off of powder valley. Gonna try to have my needs covered for the year.

FROGO207
December 6, 2012, 06:10 AM
Yeah just plan ahead and buy some primers and propellant at the same time. I will beat the haz-mat/shipping cost when buying at least 3K primers and 2 LBS propellant per order and they are delivered to my door.:) Usually I will order $500-$900 worth at a time (3 times a year) and that REALLY negates the costs associated with shipping haz-mat. Local costs are 1/2 again higher or more than on line for any reloading supplies these days so I do not feel that the various LGS really want to sell me anything anyway or they would be more competitive. It has been this way for years sadly. When there was a shortage of primers before they were going for $70 per K locally at their highest pricing. I was happy I could sit it out that time.

I always try to support local merchants unless they are really higher, but 50% is overly high IMHO. Note that the Tula SPP at Powder Valley were $19.60 per K and available when I checked today. Is it worth the haz-mat for these??:D

Hopkins
December 6, 2012, 06:54 AM
I don't have an opinion about Tula/Wolf pistol primers but Russian Large rifle primers outshine Winchesters by a wide margin in my experience based on chronograph and ladder testing.

JohnM
December 6, 2012, 07:03 AM
I can't believe you guys whining about having to drive 10 or 20 miles.
What do you call local?, right beside your house?!?
None of you people must know what rural is.
Drive a hundred plus miles for groceries or anything else for that matter and you're getting rural.

jwrowland77
December 6, 2012, 07:18 AM
Everyone talking about primer issues. I've never had any issue getting primers here locally in Arkansas. If I had to, there's a Cabelas just a couple hours from here

hentown
December 6, 2012, 07:56 AM
I live in a really small GA town near the FL border. I never have any trouble getting all the primers I want at a good price from Powder Valley and Widener's. Just received 10k small rifle primers from Widener's @ $14 per k, plus hazmat. Also bought 8# of powder to help dilute the hazmat charge.

I use small rifle primers, exclusively, for 9mm and .223 reloading.

45lcshooter
December 6, 2012, 09:02 AM
I dont know about my local area, because 4yrs ago, i bought 75k before current administration occupied 1600 PA. Im still good for a long while yet.

Bud0505
December 6, 2012, 09:14 AM
Received 5K SPP and 4# jug of 231 from Powder Valley yesterday. Even with hazmat fee I beat gun show prices.

tarakian
December 6, 2012, 10:17 AM
A couple of friends and I have been getting together to do larger orders and splitting the shipping. Now fully stocked on on SP, LP, SR and shotgun primers. Find a couple of people, then look around for the best mail order price and buy, buy, buy...

rsrocket1
December 6, 2012, 11:04 AM
Luckily, my LGS's sell most primers for $30/k so it's been easy to just by a box every couple of weeks whether I needed them or not. That certainly helps when there are temporary primer shortages.

It would be helpful to prove to yourself that SPM and SR primers work just fine when SPP's are not available. LPM's also work fine in 45ACP. For me with mid range loads, they don't make a bit of difference so I am not picky when certain primers are not available. Work up your own loads and if you feel there is a difference, you will have all the load data you need when doing the substitution.

hentown
December 6, 2012, 11:40 AM
When/if I'm faced with paying $30 per k for primers, I'll have to reconsider whether I want to reload.

Certaindeaf
December 6, 2012, 11:47 AM
I know. Paying $70 for a box of twenty not too common rifle rounds will make your decision even more smart. Why not just stop now?

MrCountyCop
December 6, 2012, 11:49 AM
I just picked up two cases of each for just under $26.00 a thousand. That is a per case price not a package deal. I felt good about those prices. I had to drive about 20 miles to pick it up, well worth the trip. This is in central Kansas and no it is not Powder Valley which is about 100 miles away.
Please share where.......I need to get a case or two

dickttx
December 6, 2012, 11:55 AM
Recently bought 10K of primers from Powder Valley. Delivered price was $302.80. Right to my front porch. Local price would have been $541.25 plus gasoline to go get them.
A nice thing about PV is that their price is per 1K. To even out my supply I bought 7K of CCI LP and 3K of SP.

just for fun
December 6, 2012, 12:25 PM
Hit the Pensacola or Tallahassee gun shows. There was no shortage of primers at the Tampa show last weekend.We have a "gun show" coming up this coming weekend! Sadly it has NOTHING to do with gun shows of the past. Our show centers around (1)old comic books, (2) older used surplus military clothing (3) late night TV knives (I think a hundred dollar bill will get ya a hundred knives, could be 200 knives just as easy!) Venders that won't speak, and most guns look like survivors of a inter-city guns for tennis shoes program.That's on day one! By Sunday nothing left but junk!LMAO.
The big reloading suppliers stopped coming 3-4 yrs. ago. You still need a 10 spot to walk in the door. Our just built Gander Mt. store does not carry reloading supplies at this time, management said corporate is considering it in the near future, hope so.

just for fun
December 6, 2012, 12:39 PM
Primers are still readily available but when I picked up a box of LRP last week the only type of primer not fully stocked was small pistol. They did have a few boxes, I bought one. 27.99 for cci.Haven't seen CCI around here in a long while. That price goes back before the Dems came into power!
I'm not an every weekend shooter and normally go though about 2k a year, try to keep a yrs supply on hand, might have to reconsider on how many I'll need in the future!

ambidextrous1
December 6, 2012, 12:45 PM
No problem buying Winchester large pistol primers at the Phoenix, AZ gun show last week, and at a good price; but small pistol primers were not to be had - so I doubled up on my lpp purchase.

hentown
December 6, 2012, 01:31 PM
[QUOTE][I know. Paying $70 for a box of twenty not too common rifle rounds will make your decision even more smart. Why not just stop now?
__________________/QUOTE]

I've never been stupid enough to pay $70 for 20 rounds! :rolleyes:

ATLDave
December 6, 2012, 01:33 PM
About 6 weeks ago, there was a shortage here. It has eased a bit, though finding CCI small pistol and rifle (non-magnum) is still hit-or-miss.

Otto
December 6, 2012, 01:51 PM
I stocked up when CCI SP were $23 with no hazmat. Grafs ran this sale about a year and a half ago.


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SSN Vet
December 6, 2012, 02:27 PM
It doesn't take that much of an oreder at Powder Valley for the savings to make up for the haz mat fee.

The selection is usually better as well.

Might as well stock up.... or get a couple buddies to put an order together with you.

thomis
December 6, 2012, 03:23 PM
I picked some up on my lunch break today. I have to drive 40 miles usually to get to this shop in Raleigh, I just happened to have business down that way today.
They had Winchester only primers of all sizes, but they were expensive.
$38/k
they also sold 100-packs for $4

mgmorden
December 6, 2012, 04:02 PM
Small pistol always seem to be the rarest as those are the types of rounds that get shot in the largest quantities.

I'd say to take the advice on stocking up in large quantities from an online source. You also have the option of using Small Rifle as a substitute as those will work for small pistol loadings.

Thankfully I was able to purchase 12,000 primers locally a while back at $20 per 1000. I've shot about 2,000 of those so far but I figure the remaining 10k should last me another year or so.

oneounceload
December 6, 2012, 05:05 PM
Powder Valley will ship powder and primers together in same package. That really helps.

So will anyone else that stocks both - Graf, Gamaliel, etc. Make it work by buying 10-20,000 primers and a few 8# jugs of powder

oneounceload
December 6, 2012, 05:08 PM
Our just built Gander Mt. store does not carry reloading supplies at this time, management said corporate is considering it in the near future, hope so.

Don't count on it - ours in Ocala got rid of it all and it isn't coming back - they still stock powder, but that is it

mbopp
December 6, 2012, 06:43 PM
I called my supplier today - he has beaucoup LP primers but no SP ones. So it looks like I shoot the 45 but not the 357.

EddieNFL
December 6, 2012, 07:21 PM
Recently bought 10K of primers from Powder Valley. Delivered price was $302.80. Right to my front porch. Local price would have been $541.25

Amen!. A few weeks ago friend and I ordered 150 pounds total. HAZMAT, S&H, insurance, because we can fees, etc., added $1.04 per pound/thousand. With local powder prices at $30 plus per pound (no, not VihtaVuori), PV was an easy decision.

the count
December 6, 2012, 08:02 PM
You can get those online for about $20 a brick, sometimes less. I prefer to buy american but if CCI etc is going for over $30 I buy the russian brands which just go 'bang' like the other stuff.

BYJO4
December 6, 2012, 08:21 PM
I continue to order primers and powder on line. I try to order with several other friends to help cover Hazmat whenever possible. I learned 4 years ago to keep at least a 6 month supply of everything to avoid paying sky high prices. Powder Valley is an excellent supplier.

Ala Dan
December 6, 2012, 09:47 PM
We have them in stock~!!!!!! ;)

Can't remember the extact prices, but call for quotes:

Simmons Sporting Goods
2001-2nd Ave North
Bessemer, AL 35020
Area Code (205) 425-4720 or (205) 426-0490
Clay and Peter Simmons = co owner's

orionengnr
December 6, 2012, 10:21 PM
Just placed an order with Powder Valley about a week ago.
No Winchester SPP available. I think they had some Tula or CCI SPP...since I don't have any experience with ether (and have heard varying reports on both) I just went with the LPP. Since I shoot far more .45acp than everything else put together, I am okay with that for now.

A friend and I each ordered 5k primers, and about 4 lbs of powder each. All for one HazMat charge. With shipping, insurance and HazMat charge, the primers still ended up around $29/1000. The powder ended up around $18/lb.

I cannot find any place that can touch those prices locally.

Mac Sidewinder
December 7, 2012, 12:07 AM
I wouldn't buy any reloading supplies from either Gander Mtn or Bass Pro where I live. Their prices are terrible (both @ $45/k on primers and $25+ on all powders). My lgs are even worse. I swear everybody seems to want to charge me a seperate hazmat on EACH item I buy locally. I buy only online nowdays, kinda sad really.

Mac

Certaindeaf
December 7, 2012, 12:39 AM
[QUOTE][I know. Paying $70 for a box of twenty not too common rifle rounds will make your decision even more smart. Why not just stop now?
__________________/QUOTE]

I've never been stupid enough to pay $70 for 20 rounds! :rolleyes:
Because you reload.
Stop reloading because of $30/k primers you'll have to pay for factory. Many factory loads are way more than $70 for 20. Do you follow?

ArchAngelCD
December 7, 2012, 01:06 AM
Just placed an order with Powder Valley about a week ago.
No Winchester SPP available. I think they had some Tula or CCI SPP...since I don't have any experience with ether (and have heard varying reports on both) I just went with the LPP. Since I shoot far more .45acp than everything else put together, I am okay with that for now.
I think not buying those CCI SPP was a mistake on your part, especially since you were already paying the hazmat fee. I use mostly CCI SPP and I have never had a problem with them. I also use Winchester when CCI's are unavailable with the same good results.

thump_rrr
December 7, 2012, 01:14 AM
I live in Canada and I pay $27.50/1000 when buying 5000 CCI small pistol primers locally.
I can get Federal small pistol primers for $33.00/1000 at my local range.

I've only been shooting for 2 years now and have never seen any shortages in primers or powder since.
No matter when I visit the club they always have palettes of primers on hand.
Our prices actually have been coming down since the volume of primer sales have been increasing.

ArchAngelCD
December 7, 2012, 01:22 AM
I live in Canada and I pay $27.50/1000 when buying 5000 CCI small pistol primers locally.
I can get Federal small pistol primers for $33.00/1000 at my local range.

I've only been shooting for 2 years now and have never seen any shortages in primers or powder since.
No matter when I visit the club they always have palettes of primers on hand.
Our prices actually have been coming down since the volume of primer sales have been increasing.
Canada is the the USA, you don't have Obama to spark panic buying. The shortages are being cause by panic buying because many are afraid Obama is going to limit access to anything that has to do with shooting. They feel he can't take our guns he will try to make ammo and components so scarce we can't shoot those guns!

Dr_B
December 7, 2012, 01:33 AM
There are lots of primers on shelves in my area, but they're all of the magnum pistol and/or rifle variety. I mainly need small pistol.

just for fun
December 8, 2012, 09:49 AM
Don't count on it - ours in Ocala got rid of it all and it isn't coming back - they still stock powder, but that is it RATS! was in their store a few days ago and the had 4lb. jugs of unique on the shelfs (nothing else) was HOPING this was a sign of things to come. My son has been in your Ocala store and said it's the same as the one they just opened here in Valdosta.

thump_rrr
December 8, 2012, 10:24 AM
Canada is the the USA, you don't have Obama to spark panic buying. The shortages are being cause by panic buying because many are afraid Obama is going to limit access to anything that has to do with shooting. They feel he can't take our guns he will try to make ammo and components so scarce we can't shoot those guns!
I understand the political situation in the USA.
I am in the USA almost weekly and in Northeastern NY and Northern VT the shelves are stocked both in LGS's and Dicks, Gander Mtn, and Walmart.
I cannot legally purchase components or ammo in the USA with intent to export so I window shop following trends.
2008 was a much different situation compared to 2012.

The only thing I can't find on the shelves in this area are SMK's in .30 cal 168gr and 175gr.

vegasbillsliv
December 8, 2012, 12:35 PM
Wolf 223 small rifle magnum primers are only $14.50/k at Wideners. It goes down to $14/k for 5k or more. It took them 2 weeks from order to ship tho.

beatledog7
December 8, 2012, 01:07 PM
I seem to be living in the right place. In Tidewater there are a number of well-stocked gun stores, so if I need primers I can always get them. A shop within a 20-minute walk stocks all sizes of CCI for 2.99 per hundred. Given the shipping and hazmat fees involved in ordering on-line, I sometimes go there for a couple hundred of types I don't use in volume (LR and LRMag).

In the nearly two years I've been rolling my own, I've never been unable to find any primer I needed locally. Sometimes I have found only Winchester or Remington and none of my favorite CCI, but for my mid-range loads that is a non-issue.

Guillermo
December 8, 2012, 01:30 PM
Tula SPP okay?

For $20/1000 it is hard to pass them up

Trent
December 8, 2012, 01:33 PM
Mac, I see you are in central Illinois. Take a drive to Daves Trading post in Pekin, IL if you aren't too far. He's always got killer prices on reloading stuff. Lowest prices I've ever seen anywhere. :)

(Call first if you want something specific and he'll set it aside for you.)

just for fun
December 9, 2012, 11:06 PM
Got a phone call from my son Saturday and he was at a GS in Ocala, Fl.! they had CCI SM primers on hand at $30 per K. Told him to pick me up another box (one per customer) while he was there! Now I feel better. After christmas I order some more bullets.

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