which would be the best choice? (Poll)


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col_temp
December 7, 2012, 05:09 AM
Hi all,

I'm a newer hunter that plans to go out with some uncles starting next year. Will be mostly deer hunting but hopefully in the future may try for a elk.

That being said I am looking at the guns in the polls. Some come with a Scope and if its a good one I'll keep it otherwise assume all will have a good scope mounted too.
Please vote but also explain your choice. What are the plus and minuses of the choices. I have my preferred choice at the moment but I don't want to slant the voting! (I have included rough pricing that I have at this moment. Prices are for the rifle ignoring additional 8.6% sales tax due.)
Thanks ahead of time for any and all advice! (also feel free to suggest an addition to the list if its int he price range and so much better for some reason!)
Paris

PS I already have a Winchester Model 94 (Win 32 special) with iron sights as a bush gun and short range hunting. So this one is for hunting where I might need a bit more distance (say out to 300 yards or so)

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MachIVshooter
December 7, 2012, 05:16 AM
I don't see a poll.

What's your budget?

What's your recoil tolerance?

Off the top, I'd say any quality bolt gun in .270, 7mm-08, .280 Rem, .308 Win or .30-06 will fit the bill without abusive recoil.

lefteyedom
December 7, 2012, 06:18 AM
Get the Savage combo and go hunting. The Savage 110 bolt actions are great accurate rifle out of the box.

I would prefer a short action in 308, that said, there is nothing wrong with the 270. Ether caliber is more than capable of taking an Elk.

Nikon scopes are fine hunting scopes. Later you can upgrade the optics when your wallet will allow it.

My three main hunting rifles are all Savages bolts actions 223, 7-08, and a 300/338 win mag switch barrel rifle.

I love old weapons and have a safe full of them, but the truth is the new Savages are better performing rifles than most of the older rifles.

Inebriated
December 7, 2012, 06:59 AM
The Savage get's my vote. I've got one in .30-06. The Nikon scope is fantastic, considering it's effectively free. The rifle is a tack-driver. The AccuTrigger is great. Just a tough gun to beat, especially given its price range.

wjt
December 7, 2012, 07:50 AM
Remington 760/7600 in any of the above cals.

USSR
December 7, 2012, 08:57 AM
That's a really good price on a Winchester Model 70 in .308. Refinishing a stock is easy and a fun project.

Don

WoodchuckAssassin
December 7, 2012, 08:58 AM
Real tough choice. I was looking at the Ruger American also, but came to the conclusion that the stock was too flimsy for me to even spend $340 on. I like the Winchesters, but I gotta go with the Savage + scope. Eventually you'll own them all, right? So why's it matter? :neener:

Sav .250
December 7, 2012, 09:27 AM
As a "newer" hunter with little experience (I`m guessing) you`ve already put yourself in a corner by suggesting 2 cals. Never mind the manufacturer. You need to open your selections for more diversity. Lots of really good rifles/cals out there so don`t grab the first one of the self. More home work needed.

jmr40
December 7, 2012, 10:14 AM
I you are actually considering a used rifle selling for close to $600 why limit yourself to one of the cheap budget guns. All of the used guns you are looking at are WAY overpriced. For less than $50 more you can get a brand new Ruger Hawkeye instead of a 45 year old Remington, and have a much better gun. You can buy a brand new Winchester for just over $700 instead of spending $540 on a well used rifle. Winchesters are my prefered rifle, I even like the pushfeeds, but the 1960's and 1970's versions of these guns were probably the lowest quality Winchesters ever made.

Of the guns you have chosen I'd look at either the Savage or Marlin. I owned one of the Ruger Americans long enough for 1 range trip and quickly sold it. In the budget guns I also like the Vanguard, Howa, and TC Venture rifles right well.

A Tikka is a bit more expensive, but still selling in about the same price range as the used guns you are considering.

Fishbed77
December 7, 2012, 10:49 AM
Get the Savage combo and go hunting. The Savage 110 bolt actions are great accurate rifle out of the box.

My bother got one of the Savage 110 combos (in .270) a few years ago, and it's a damn fine hunting rifle. It ain't very pretty, but it's a good shooter, and who wants to take a pretty gun into the woods to bang up anyway?

Gregaw
December 7, 2012, 11:34 AM
Personally, I'd go with the Savage in .308. Can you say "accutrigger"? I have two great rifles from Savage and would not hesitate to buy another.

MachIVshooter
December 7, 2012, 01:09 PM
I'd go with the 700 if it's in good shape, but I'd offer $400 if no scope. If it has decent glass, $495 isn't bad.

I paid $700 for a 1978 BDL with Redfield 2-7x last year, but it wasn't your typical .270/7mm Mag/.30-06 rifle. 8mm Mags pulll a premium these days.

col_temp
December 7, 2012, 02:33 PM
Thanks all,
I lost my internet connection last night so wasn't able to respond until this morning.
This is the kind of advice and suggestions that are very helpful and confirms a few things I have come to the conclusion about.
I will continue to think about it and see where the poll goes over the next couple of days.
Will check back often!

col_temp
December 7, 2012, 02:38 PM
That's a really good price on a Winchester Model 70 in .308. Refinishing a stock is easy and a fun project.
Don

The barrel is in good shape. the rifling looks very good shining a light down the bore, Crown shows use but is in good shape. Outside has lots of dings and nicks from use (hence why the stock is in need of TLC!)
Is $399 still a good price even with this info? I might just pick this one up to have an extra.
Suggestions?

1858
December 7, 2012, 02:41 PM
Of the rifles in your poll I'd go with either of the Winchesters (voted .308 Win) or better yet I'd buy a new Winchester. The Winchesters offer a claw extractor, fixed ejector, CRF and a three position safety ... what's not to like. Savage rifles are crude compared to either Winchester or Remington but they can shoot well. However, wouldn't you rather have a rifle that shoots well and looks good? I own a Savage Weather Warrior and I'll never buy another Savage product.

horsemen61
December 7, 2012, 03:15 PM
I picked the old Remington cause that's what I would go with.

USSR
December 7, 2012, 03:51 PM
The barrel is in good shape. the rifling looks very good shining a light down the bore, Crown shows use but is in good shape. Outside has lots of dings and nicks from use (hence why the stock is in need of TLC!)
Is $399 still a good price even with this info? I might just pick this one up to have an extra.
Suggestions?

A couple years ago, I was looking at buying a used Winchester Model 70 for a friend. What I found was, few .308 Winchesters compared to other chamberings, and the ones I found they wanted a premium for. Like I said, refinishing a stock is an easy and fun winter project.

Don

haywoodhunter
December 7, 2012, 04:11 PM
I voted for the savage and own 2, but i also have a marlin .270 and it is a great and accurate gun also.

ErieLurker
December 7, 2012, 04:30 PM
Get either the Savage or the Marlin. Those two mid-60's Winchesters date from the nadir of the Model 70's existence (push feed instead of controlled round feed, and usually cheaply checkered stocks - although the post-64 action itself was arguably safer than the pre-64).

Somewhat surprised to say this myself, but if you really want that Remington, and it's in good shape, get it if comes with a decent scope. Otherwise, get a new Marlin or Savage. Personally lean towards the lighter Marlin in .270. Easier to get to the elk with it!

col_temp
December 7, 2012, 11:26 PM
Thanks everyone who has voted and commented so far.
I have been reading everyone and rereading a few others.

The polling so far kind of leads to what I was thinking all along but it's interesting to see the split between the Remington and Winchester folks! Seems to be about even!

Looking forward to more opinions!

MCgunner
December 7, 2012, 11:29 PM
I like the old Remington .270, but you didn't say ADL or BDL? The Winnies are post '64. Can't have pre-64, won't go Winchester.

I have a Savage, I'll go wtih Remington, especially an old one like both of mine. :D

Kachok
December 7, 2012, 11:33 PM
Savage takes first place, great gun: simple, cheap, and reliable I have two of those package guns both are shooters. Pre Cerebus (the devil) Remingtons take a very close second and only because of the trigger. Remington sold their soul in Apr of 2007 so anything before that should be fine.

fanchisimo
December 7, 2012, 11:40 PM
I have a Savage 111 in .270 that came with a bushnell scope, but not with the accutrigger. It likes the cheapest federal ammo and will shoot sub-MOA from a bench rest with that ammo and most other ammo 1-1.5 MOA. It was my first hunting rifle and it dropped a buck in it's tracks this season.

Haxby
December 7, 2012, 11:57 PM
I would stay away from a late-60's Winchester.

Boattale
December 8, 2012, 12:29 AM
The 700 is a class act be it ADL or BDL. If you like class, go that way. If you don't care about anything other than how the rifle shoots and a good price, the Savage package gun is the deal. But Savage 111 will never ever in ten million years be the class equal of a 700 made in the 1960's.

Kachok
December 8, 2012, 12:51 AM
The 700 is a class act be it ADL or BDL. If you like class, go that way. If you don't care about anything other than how the rifle shoots and a good price, the Savage package gun is the deal. But Savage 111 will never ever in ten million years be the class equal of a 700 made in the 1960's.
I would agree with that, I like classy rifles too, but for pure hunting/shooting the ugly Savage shines. Owned 6 of them, never had a complaint about their performance, call them plain, call them ugly, call them whatever you like those SOBs can sure shoot.
Besides if you scratch the walnut on your 700 you would probably be upset, scratch the Savage 111 and you just added some character :D There is not much you can do to ugly up a plain jane Savage LOL. A friend of mine has an older beautiful BDL that he won't take out of the house without a gun sock on it, old as it is not a scratch on it so when he is done hunting he can but it back on display.

col_temp
December 8, 2012, 03:39 AM
So true Kachok,
Thanks for the advice so far. Interesting to see how this is going!

DM~
December 8, 2012, 10:52 AM
I would grab that old 700 and RUN!

DM

Cee Zee
December 8, 2012, 12:37 PM
Savages are not nearly as ugly as they once were. I have one that looks beautiful in fact. I also have one that looks like a camel's back. One shoots very good. One shoots fabulous. The beautiful one is the great shooter too. I've come close to replacing my old Savage with a newer model because I don't have the AccuTrigger on the old one and it could be more accurate. But compared to most rifles it is very accurate. I just know the newer models are super accurate because I have one.

I've been thinking of getting a Savage 111 HUNTER XP because it is a good rifle at a good price. The 30.06 version is an excellent choice.

col_temp
December 8, 2012, 01:02 PM
I've been thinking of getting a Savage 111 HUNTER XP because it is a good rifle at a good price.

Hey CZ The 111 Trophy is simply a step up from the 111 hunter. It provides their new Accustock which is supposed to handle the recoil much better. I know from looking at both in the store that the recoil pad of the 111 Trophy is very comfortable and better than the just plain hunter.

WTBguns10kOK
December 8, 2012, 06:59 PM
Probably the Savage or Ruger. Usually no sense in buying more expensive when you're new to something and don't understand what you're really looking for in a gun...which is why you're asking. .308

Kachok
December 8, 2012, 07:59 PM
The Ruger is quickly building a good reputation, I ALMOST bought one in 243 a couple days ago, I was about to tell the salesman to ring me up then I noticed that the rubber pad on the gun rack had worn the finish off the barrel, talk about weak :( Will spend a little more money on a rifle that has a quality finish, though I did love the way the Ruger feels in the hands, ultra slim. Will get one if they make them in stainless or with a better blueing.

col_temp
December 8, 2012, 09:22 PM
Thanks for all the input.
Some notes so far:
1. I have not been able to find a Marlin to hold so that one is probably out (and based on the results not to popular a choice anyway!
2. I have held the Ruger American, and while I read good things about them I found the handhold of the trigger hand too small around. While I can see this fitting others it certainly doesn't feel right to me. I did see an older user Ruger M77 in 270 today at a pawn shop. Good shape and fairly reasonably priced.
3. I took another look at both the Remington (#2 int he poll) and the Winchester (#3 in the poll) again today at the Pawn shop. The Winchester is in not as bad shape as I thought. Stock still needs to be refinished but is not critical. The Remington has a 3-9x50 Barka scope mounted. So I would have the rings and could get another scope for it.
4. Winchester #1 in the poll is sliding down. Based on looking around its a decent price but not really a low price. So this one is likely out.

All told when I put the poll up I was leaning towards either the #2 or #3 or the Savage.
I really like the fact that the Savage has the snap in mag, no feeding from the top.
To the person who asked the Remington is a BDL rifle.

Thanks to all who have voted and read through. Will let everyone know once I make us my mind!

col_temp
December 8, 2012, 09:24 PM
Oh yeah forgot to mention,
The Remington is likely from the mid-1970's not the 1960's date shown on the poll. Does this change anyone's opinion?

DM~
December 8, 2012, 10:43 PM
oh yeah forgot to mention,
the remington is likely from the mid-1970's not the 1960's date shown on the poll. Does this change anyone's opinion?

nope!

Dm

Arkansas Paul
December 9, 2012, 12:26 AM
I voted for the new Savage. Less than $500 and it comes with a Nikon scope. Can't beat that IMO. I've never owned a Savage rifle, but my brother has a 111 in 7 Rem Mag and it's a shooter. You never hear anyone who owns one complain about them.

oldpapps
December 9, 2012, 10:26 AM
So many good options.

A 270 or 308.... With the right load/s both will do very well with deer and bigger critters. For me, I would opt for a 308 but that's just me.

To the listed weapons.... Selection of a 'USED' rifle would require an in depth inspection. I will go with all having passed and are acceptable. Hmm, a pre '68 Winchester 70 is nice.
Of the 'NEW', I do like the Savage, a lot.

My personal preference would be with the Winchester 70 in 308.
But you must make your determination. Evaluate your views and the in put gathered and go for it.

Kahr33556
December 9, 2012, 11:05 AM
I love the winchester model 70.
the 3 position safety is great.
Look around for a newer one in 270 and you will be happy.
look at a browning also as they are nice also.
Ruger is just ok the model 70 will out shoot one any day.
I have a ruger after a triger job floating the stock my model 70 out of the box shoots better.

ErieLurker
December 9, 2012, 02:56 PM
Oh yeah forgot to mention,
The Remington is likely from the mid-1970's not the 1960's date shown on the poll. Does this change anyone's opinion?

Not at all. A 70's BDL in good shape should be just fine.

Arkansas Paul
December 9, 2012, 03:18 PM
Ruger is just ok the model 70 will out shoot one any day.

Kind of a blanket statement there. My wife has a Ruger 77 that will shoot MOA all day long. I would wager that there are some Winchester 70s out there that will not.
I love the Winchesters but just because you don't have a preference for a particular brand doesn't mean that your favorite one will outshoot them every time.

col_temp
December 9, 2012, 04:42 PM
thanks again for the votes!
Interesting how the poll is going!

Cee Zee
December 9, 2012, 10:45 PM
Hey CZ The 111 Trophy is simply a step up from the 111 hunter. It provides their new Accustock which is supposed to handle the recoil much better.

Yeah I know that. I've actually been considering getting the Hunter in a .243 so I figured recoil wouldn't be as much of a concern. Plus I've heard that the AccuStocks can be picky about how you torque the action screws as you put it back together. I don't know if that's true or not but I really wanted the wood stock .243 Hunter. Still I think the 30.06 111 would be an excellent choice for an all around rifle. If the recoil is too much they make the reduced recoil loads for that caliber now. Several companies make them.

IMO it's pretty much all good when going with a 110 based Savage. Whatever you start with, you can make it better down the road if you choose. That's why I would stay away from the Edge/Axis models. People don't see them as real Savages. It's like buying a Remington 770 or something. Well maybe not that bad but it isn't a real 110 based Savage with the upgrade path they all have. I'd probably buy a Mossberg if I wanted a rifle in the entry level category. But I've always bought Savages in one form or another. I have one that's about as cheap as they get and one that's about as expensive as they get. I wanted one in the middle for caliber and price and the Hunter was my choice. But I haven't bought one yet. But hey, Christmas is coming. :) Someone else can pay for it for me. ;)

FMF Doc
December 9, 2012, 10:54 PM
I voted for the savage, and I would suggest .270 I have been elk hunting twice, once in Canada and once out west in Wyoming. Both times I was shooting at 450+ yards. While the .308 can certainly reach out there and kill and elk, I find the .270 shoots flatter at those longer distanced. Now, if you are going to be hunting elk where the distances are goingto be shorter, then the more economical .308 might work too. Either way, a new savage beat most used guns under $1000 these days. That would be my pick.

col_temp
December 10, 2012, 04:00 AM
Thanks All,
One additional question:

Seeing as how I will be hunting here in the Northwest with its regular wet weather. Would spending the extra $120 for SS barrel be a good idea for the Savage.

I think I would like to get bith one of the old Winchester/Remington's and Savage but I can probably only get one. Will be interested in thoughts.
Paris
PS Thanks to everyone who has voted!

jim243
December 10, 2012, 04:41 AM
The Savage in 270 is the way to go.

Jim

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