Gun/Hunting Store doesn't allow guns.


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rduchateau2954
December 7, 2012, 09:19 AM
Went to a new hunting/gun store.

Right on the door is a sign that states "All guns must be checked at counter"

Add that to the mediocre selection, high prices, and a snooty gun salesman and I definitely won't be going back.

A perfect example of how a company can profit from 2a without having to support it.

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beatledog7
December 7, 2012, 09:26 AM
You consider this unusual? In my experience, hunting stores generally have such a rule, primarily meant to apply to guns being brought in for some kind of service such as having a scope mounted. Makes sense to me and doesn't indicate a lack of support for 2A.

Now, if it is in fact a no CCW rule, that's different.

Sav .250
December 7, 2012, 09:30 AM
You could have asked for clarification. Doesn`t cost a cent.

Russ Jackson
December 7, 2012, 09:31 AM
Are you sure he was talking about concealed guns? And if so did you ask why? I worked at a gun store for years and we liked guns checked prior to customers pulling them out of cases or being brought in for service. A lot of people have no clue as to gun handling and you would not believe how many loaded guns I handled that I was told were unloaded. I would get clarification from the owner and if the guy at the counter was snooty I would have a chat with the owner. I hate to see a gun store close.

brnmw
December 7, 2012, 09:34 AM
You consider this unusual? In my experience, hunting stores generally have such a rule, primarily meant to apply to guns being brought in for some kind of service such as having a scope mounted. Makes sense to me and doesn't indicate a lack of support for 2A.

Now, if it is in fact a no CCW rule, that's different.

Agreed, most do have this policy in place. If they did not allow CCW yes, that is a different issue all together. I remember seeing a guy once walk in to talk about a trade-in for his current CCW pistol, and when he went to the sales assoc. he pulled it out and started unloading it on the counter! > Bad judgment on his part, he also seemed offended when the sales assoc. jumped his you know what as he was doing it. Safety always needs to be a priority for gun stores and firing ranges. I have just made it a habit now that if I am walking into a store with a firearm in "Plain sight" to leave the chamber open so they can clearly see I share a similar interest in safety.

bikerdoc
December 7, 2012, 09:35 AM
MY LGS has no such policy.

The only sign is a posting of the 4 rules.

Owner claims there have been no AD/ND in 28 years.

mcdonl
December 7, 2012, 09:37 AM
Cabelas has a similar rule but it says right on the sign that concealed permit holders (Where applicable) do not need to check their guns at the counter.

We live in a world of idiots, and we need to check and verify that guns being brought into a store are indeed loaded and safe.

rbernie
December 7, 2012, 09:38 AM
Most local shops here in Texas have similar signs. They know, as do all Texas CHL holders, that such signs have no actual force of law - the signs are solely intended to keep (presumptively untutored) non-CHL-types from waltzing around with unholstered or otherwise unsecured guns.

It seems a preudent means of separating the schooled from the less schooled, nor perjoratively or for ill intent but simply to ensure that those with potentially limited firearms handling knowledge are identified up front.

Bubbles
December 7, 2012, 09:43 AM
We have had an incredible number of people who swore their guns were "unloaded" get a nasty surprise when we opened the bolt or racked the slide, and a live round hit the floor.

One black powder rifle even came in loaded. :banghead:

jmr40
December 7, 2012, 09:48 AM
Most stores have such policies. I've seen quite a few folks walk into gun or pawnshops wanting to sell or trade in a gun that was loaded. All of the ones I know of don't mind a concealed weapon, as long as it remains concealed. Bring it out and it will be checked by employees. Sounds like a good policy to me.

Ehtereon11B
December 7, 2012, 09:55 AM
A firearms store about 10 minutes away has pat down searches at the door. I don't go there much anymore. Most stores have a no firearms policy even if they sell them. I think they just don't want customers whipping out their firearms to say "Look what I have!"

The other 2 stores I go to encourage CCW and have signs to promote it. The only weapons they check are ones they are taking in to make sure they are unloaded.

ApacheCoTodd
December 7, 2012, 10:19 AM
Checked?
Checked in?
Checked for empty chambers?
Checked to ensure provided safeties are utilized?
Checked for legality?
Checked for Czech manufacture?
What checked?
On the surface, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. I know that I and the boys personally put hands on EVERYTHING that came into the shop in a customers hands.
Holsters, bags, socks, boxes etc... was another issue but you could say we "checked" open hand carried firearms every time.

Gosh, I wonder if we offended anyone? Wait, considering the number of rounds we found in chambers - I don't really care.

oneounceload
December 7, 2012, 11:21 AM
Most gun shops that take trades or do repairs have the same language posted - it is to make sure you do not bring in a lo0aded weapon that will be taken out of a case (or holster) and cause injury. It does not apply to legally carried concealed weapons

22-rimfire
December 7, 2012, 11:27 AM
My assumption is to have to "check in" a gun at the counter if I am taking a say a long gun into a large gunshop. Seems like you are potentially avoiding an issue when you leave. But it is situational and if you are talking to a sales person about a certain gun and it is outside, you run outside and bring it in... seems to me they are sort of expecting it at that point. But if it is Cabelas or a similar large store where firearms are a small part of what they sell, ask if checking it in is needed when you come in.

Warp
December 7, 2012, 12:47 PM
ASK.

As was mentioned, that is often so that people aren't walking around the store with a gun in their hands. Licensed and holstered carry is often exempt

Sock Puppet
December 7, 2012, 12:53 PM
Most shops I go to have such a sign that pertains to guns being brought in for service or trade. Doesn't bother me a bit.

rodinal220
December 7, 2012, 02:27 PM
And many gun owners wonder why we are always behind the eight ball.This type is behavior by a "gun place" is both baffling and sad.

Skribs
December 7, 2012, 02:33 PM
Every store or range I've been to has had a clearer sign, which says all firearms must be cased/holstered and should only be handled under supervision of the staff.

I wouldn't even object to the staff saying we aren't allowed to draw in case of a robbery, simply because most stores require their employees to open carry and I know I wouldn't be the fastest on the draw.

Midwest
December 7, 2012, 02:38 PM
I have seen those no firearm signs (gun with a slash going through it) at gun stores in Ohio, but not in Kentucky.

3twelves
December 7, 2012, 03:05 PM
Cabela's is like that also but that is just for rifles coming in or something, if it was for ccw they would lose tons of business.

oneounceload
December 7, 2012, 03:07 PM
And many gun owners wonder why we are always behind the eight ball.This type is behavior by a "gun place" is both baffling and sad.

No, it isn't - it is part of a CYA plan. Just because owns a gun, doesn't mean he or she are competent, safe, or understand anything about basic gun safety. Bringing in a gnu in a case or pouch, and it might be loaded, is asking for trouble. The business is being smart making sure someone isn't walking around like that

Ehtereon11B
December 7, 2012, 03:28 PM
It does not apply to legally carried concealed weapons

Licensed and holstered carry is often exempt

Often yes. But when the "No Guns allowed" there is often some sign that says "Concealed Carry weapons included/prohibited." Like what showed at my not anymore usual gun store.

simply because most stores require their employees to open carry

For a chuckle, take a close look at the weapons the employees "openly carry." 3/5 of the gun stores I frequent open carry...empty weapons. Revolvers make it easy to tell, Semi-autos use loaded chamber indicators or count notches on magazines.

No, it isn't - it is part of a CYA plan.

Exactly. There is a gun store owned in Georgia run by a colleague of mine and I asked him for this thread "You run a gun store, why are you so adamant about having unloaded weapons?" He said there there have been instances of people walking into his pawn shop to sell a weapon that was still loaded. Its understandable for a widow or something who takes in some old firearms she has never been trained with to get rid of. But an experienced owner? That is just asking for Murphy and Darwin to ruin your day.

Godsgunman
December 7, 2012, 03:44 PM
The sign that you mentioned deals with bringing in a gun to be worked on like being fitted with a scope, its not talking about CCW. The local Cabelas has a check-in for that as you walk in but its only for guns that they will be working on not CCW as there are no legal "no carry signs" posted on the doors.

royal barnes
December 7, 2012, 04:28 PM
I went to visit a new(to me) gunstore with an indoor range about an hour east of where I live. I was told it had a large inventory of my favorite types of firearms. Posted on both sides of the entrance were signs in big letters stating,

NO LOADED FIREARMS IN THE STORE
FIREARMS BROUGHT INTO THE STORE MUST BE UNLOADED AND CASED
THIS INCLUDES LEGAL CCW HOLDERS

It is any business's right to forbid ccw carry in their establishment and I will not violate that rule. I got back in my truck and went about my business because they obviously don't need or want it.

USAF_Vet
December 7, 2012, 07:02 PM
My LGS has a signed posted saying something like "We support your right to carry your firearm, but please keep it holstered". Any gun brought in for sale or service does need to be checked at the counter. Just like the guns purchased need to be checked at the counter.

Is this one of those cases where someone is reading into it poorly, and got offended rather than ask for clarification?

WALKERs210
December 7, 2012, 09:05 PM
My favorite Pawn/Gun shop has a sign on door, "NO LOADED GUNS ALLOWED" . I was in the store one day when a couple guys came in that made the hair on my neck start to stand up. After they left I mentioned to the owner how I had felt, and he also had that 6th sense. I pulled my jacket back to show an empty holster, and told him it was in the car. His only response was that the sign was not meant for everyone and anytime I come in just ignore it. I am not obsessed about carrying my weapon but if I leave the house other than going to the Post Office one of my handguns will be on me somewhere. Too darn old to get my butt whupped, or anything in that line. If I can't carry I don't go, simple rules I live by.

22-rimfire
December 7, 2012, 09:17 PM
I was at Sportsman Warehouse looking at nylon holsters for my LCR-22. I had the gun in my pocket, unloaded, but they didn't know that. I took it out of my pocket to see how it fit in a holster I was looking at... the store did not like that at all.

So the rule is that you can carry concealed, but you can not unholster it inside the store unless it is checked.

One store employee told me that they figure about 2 out of 3 men who come into the store are packing (legally of course).

buck460XVR
December 8, 2012, 11:34 AM
Went to a new hunting/gun store in Depere WI. Joe Hunter.

Right on the door is a sign that states "All guns must be checked at counter"

Add that to the mediocre selection, high prices, and a snooty gun salesman and I definitely won't be going back.

A perfect example of how a company can profit from 2a without having to support it.


One of the last Gun Shows I went to had a similar sign by the door. It was so the gun could be checked to make sure it was unloaded and then a cable tie was used to keep the action open. Didn't see anything anti 2nd Amendment in it at all, just keepin' others safe from the Dumb Azzes. From my experience, most gun salesmen in big box stores are snooty. I generally ignore them unless I need one to take a handgun outta the case, and just look at the price tags. I leave the conversations to those that don't know what they are lookin' for.

Devonai
December 8, 2012, 12:10 PM
My local Cabelas only requires firearms to be unloaded and checked at the counter if you're bringing it in to sell or trade it. However, one time not too long ago one of the greeters challenged my man purse (Maxpedition) with "Got anything in there I need to know about?" I said no, glancing at the store police sign next to us to see if it had changed, and went about my visit.

I'm not sure if she was just making sure I wasn't there to sell or trade something, or if she was unfamiliar with her own store policy, but that was the end of it so I didn't push it.

Russ Jackson
December 8, 2012, 02:30 PM
I went to visit a new(to me) gunstore with an indoor range about an hour east of where I live. I was told it had a large inventory of my favorite types of firearms. Posted on both sides of the entrance were signs in big letters stating,

NO LOADED FIREARMS IN THE STORE
FIREARMS BROUGHT INTO THE STORE MUST BE UNLOADED AND CASED
THIS INCLUDES LEGAL CCW HOLDERS

It is any business's right to forbid ccw carry in their establishment and I will not violate that rule. I got back in my truck and went about my business because they obviously don't need or want it.
I would not shop there and I would tell them so. I would also tell them I am going to tell everyone I know not to shop there. A business making a living selling handguns to be carried then not allowing them to be carried is insane. I would also get everyone I know to send them a letter.

Russ Jackson
December 8, 2012, 02:39 PM
I was at Sportsman Warehouse looking at nylon holsters for my LCR-22. I had the gun in my pocket, unloaded, but they didn't know that. I took it out of my pocket to see how it fit in a holster I was looking at... the store did not like that at all.

So the rule is that you can carry concealed, but you can not unholster it inside the store unless it is checked.

One store employee told me that they figure about 2 out of 3 men who come into the store are packing (legally of course).
You should have had the courtesy to tell them you were going to try holsters out. Let them check the weapon. Then allow you to proceed. Pulling out your gun and checking holsters without telling them first is improper gun handling. IMO. If a gun comes out of a holster you must tell someone prior to doing so at a gun shop. They will tell you protocol. Same rules apply to gun in case. Also if you want it handled it a specific way you should instruct as well. IE: please do not dry fire my gun or even cycle the action on a revolver with no cylinder track.

1911 guy
December 8, 2012, 03:40 PM
I agree with Russ. Loaded guns stay holstered unless you need them or you're going to properly clear them to check fit. My local shop (Stockers', I've said a lot of good things about them here) has a simple policy. CCW is fine. Whipping it out isn't. When I wanted to check holster fit several times over the last few years, I tell them, they tell me to clear and leave the mag and round on the counter. Check fit, reload and buy (or not) holster.

The reason to clear is simple. Many people carry Glock, XD, M&P, etc. with no manual safery. Many people have ZERO trigger discipline.

TRX
December 8, 2012, 06:57 PM
One of the last Gun Shows I went to had a similar sign by the door. It was so the gun could be checked to make sure it was unloaded and then a cable tie was used to keep the action open.

There's basically only one organization that does gun shows around here. A few years ago they instituted a "no guns" policy at the door, probably to deal with the guys who would come in with ten guns strapped to their body and clank around trying to sell them, avoiding the cost of renting a table.

Last year they put up big "NO CCW" signs. I don't even *have* a CCW, but when I saw the sign I got out of line, went back to the car, and drove away.

BSA1
December 8, 2012, 07:21 PM
No loaded firearm rules are usually the result of one person screwing it up for everyone else.

When I worked at a indoor shooting range we had a rule that all customers guns must be unloaded when off the range. Well on a shooting league night with a store full of shooters and customers one bonehead had a n.d. in the retail store.

It is amazing how quiet a store can get...

Oh I seen some n.d. at gun shows also. One bonehead managed to shoot a flare off inside the building. It wasn't pretty watching that flare bouncing around in the rafters.

It is even more amazing how quiet a building full of several hundred people can get...

GBExpat
December 8, 2012, 09:18 PM
A firearms store about 10 minutes away has pat down searches at the door.

Really?! And (obviously) some people actually put up with that? I find that truly amazing.

I would never see the inside of that store.

coloradokevin
December 9, 2012, 05:01 AM
I've seen a variety of signs at different shops I've visited over the years. They include things such as:

1) "All firearms must be unloaded and cased, except for legally carried concealed weapons"

2) "Absolutely NO outside firearms in the store. This includes CCW holders!"

3) "No loaded/uncased firearms in the store. No exceptions."

The first type of store I will visit, the other two I generally don't. I'm typically carrying concealed, and I'm not going to leave my gun in the car to visit a gun store. I'm not going to say that I haven't carried into such places before, but signs carry no force of law out here in CO. Generally I just try to respect their wishes, and take my business somewhere where my carry habits won't offend anyone.

Anyway, gun shows are a classic example of gun-related businesses where guns are often checked at the door. I've been to shows in the past where they screen you through a metal detector, and all other firearms that go into the show are zip-tied before entering. Given the way people act at gun shows, I guess it makes sense there. But, I haven't been to a gun show in probably 8 years now, so I don't know how they're handling things these days.

Ehtereon11B
December 9, 2012, 06:58 AM
Really?! And (obviously) some people actually put up with that? I find that truly amazing.

I would never see the inside of that store.

They are very popular. Namely because any other gun store within an hour drive "didn't get their lease renewed" and had to move out of town. I do not visit that store anymore. Any store that threatens customers, demeans customers, lies to customers, overcharges, and breaks federal law to cut costs doesn't deserve business. The door pat down searches are done by uniformed police who always "just happen" to be there.

When I do holster fit checks in stores, they are usually spur of the moment and I don't intend on doing it in the store. But when I have done it, I find an employee and let them know what I want to do then excuse myself to the restroom to clear my weapon without alarming other customers or employees. From there I do holster checks.

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