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VA27
December 8, 2012, 02:36 AM
Interesting... http://www.zipfactory.com/

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Dryft
December 8, 2012, 02:49 AM
I made it to the following sentence and started laughing:

"ZiP™ delivers a long sought after vision of “X-box” gamers"...

I would sooner play in traffic.

YMMV

rcmodel
December 8, 2012, 02:54 AM
Operators, Welcome!Well, that leaves me out I guess.

Didn't even bother to look at the rest of it, whatever it is.

rc

MachIVshooter
December 8, 2012, 05:07 AM
Ummm........OK.

(I'll pass)

Shadow 7D
December 8, 2012, 05:39 AM
the part where they are mounting it on a AR????
they are
look around, I shake my head and dread that they will sell

ku4hx
December 8, 2012, 11:03 AM
Looks like fun to me. Makes me wonder what comments were made by the old west revolver cowboys when the first auto loaders started to show up.

At $200 - $220 dollars I'd buy one in a heartbeat ... maybe a brace for me and the wife.

scaatylobo
December 8, 2012, 11:32 AM
Under a primary weapon ,it would make a FTF transition faster than drawing a second gun.

And with a 25 round mag in place that would be a bad end to be facing if your the perp.

I would get one or 2 in a heartbeat IF they were priced very reasonable = and they should be.

dogtown tom
December 8, 2012, 12:54 PM
scaatylobo Under a primary weapon ,it would make a FTF transition faster than drawing a second gun.
Mounting that under a rifle turns that handgun into a "short barrelled rifle" which requires a $200 NFA tax stamp.

If your primary weapon didn't stop the threat I doubt a .22LR slung under the barrel should be anyones backup plan.

I'll take a 9mm/40/45 handgun in a belt holster over a gimmicky video gamers .22 rimfire wet dream any day.

Janos Dracwlya
December 8, 2012, 01:24 PM
For the price, it might be fun. Gotta love a .22 pistol with that long magazine.

DPris
December 8, 2012, 02:42 PM
Huh?
USFA is doing it & has not stopped the single-actions.
Denis

mesinge2
December 8, 2012, 02:54 PM
Look how your supposed to hold this thing:


http://www.zipfactory.com/im/zipwhatcando0b.jpg http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc401/mesinge2/Misc/22LRZip4jpg.jpg

rugerdude
December 8, 2012, 09:16 PM
Uncomfortable to hold? Check.

Ugly? Check.

Poor sights and sight radius? Check.

Terrible ergonomics? Check.

Completely useless undermounting options? Check.

Build quality/materials of a gameboy? Check.

Yup, sounds great:rolleyes:. Does anyone else remember that 6 years ago Ruger, Browning, S&W and other quality .22 pistols were all around the $220 price point? I know inflation and rising costs for manufacturers plays a part but I just expect way more for $220 buck than a NERF toy that fires .22lr

C0untZer0
December 8, 2012, 09:39 PM
Someone is going to put a round in their support hand, I just wonder if we'll ever hear about it.

DPris
December 9, 2012, 12:58 AM
And in that top linked article is a link to the regular USFA site where you can still order the SAs.
The Zip thing is a separate endeavor & has not replaced them.
Denis

bigfatdave
December 9, 2012, 01:38 AM
I'll end up buying one as a stupid toy. And I really don't get the complaints and nay-saying.
"it makes a SBR if you mount it" ... well, duh
"it doesn't have a purpose" ... neither do most guns, really
"it looks ugly" ... so do most modern guns

Obviously there's no practical purpose for it, but it is a cheap toy that takes 10/22 mags (already have dozens!) and .22lr ammo (I have plenty)

I bet it is more comfortable to hold with a normal 10/22 rotary mag mounted, also.
And what if I mount a longer barrel and add a stock? Granted, I'll have spent too much money to make a substandard 10/22, but the BATFE has finally admitted that they can't enforce the stupid "pistol into rifle and back into pistol" rules in the first place.

alienbogey
December 9, 2012, 05:24 PM
:barf::barf::barf:

Justin
December 9, 2012, 09:33 PM
Under a primary weapon ,it would make a FTF transition faster than drawing a second gun.

And with a 25 round mag in place that would be a bad end to be facing if your the perp.

I would get one or 2 in a heartbeat IF they were priced very reasonable = and they should be.

I'm sorry but that's just utterly silly on any number if levels.

That said I'm not sure I understand all of the hate for this thing. It's a cheap, modular firearm running on cheap ammo that takes some of the most reliable and ubiquitous magazines available.

On top of that, even if it's not a revolutionary or useful gun, is an example of non- standard thinking, which this industry could use more of.

I doubt that I'll buy one,but I think it's awesome that someone not only came up with the idea, but plan to bring it to market.

Tl;Dr: Not sure if it's a useful gun, but I like the idea for the sheer novelty of it.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.

AFDavis11
December 10, 2012, 07:58 AM
I kinda like it. It has a 5 inch, or so, barrel. That is interesting. I will say that for $215 I have seen a lot worse. I need a .22 handgun, but I might prefer spending more for something that looks more ergonomic.

I'd like a gun that was wallet shaped (and sized) though, so they might be on to a new BUG style gun.

I would have to hold one myself though, it looks like it would take me forever to index a shooting grip on it.

I just checked out the product photos closer. What are the two protrusions above the barrel supposed to be for?

Shear_stress
December 10, 2012, 10:18 AM
That said I'm not sure I understand all of the hate for this thing.

The marketing. USRA went overboard trying to distance themselves from their conservative product line and tried to build buzz by appealing to a rock solid base: 12-year olds. Instead of focussing on the novelty of the thing, they chose to position it as the answer to a question no one asked--how to get the least amount of firepower for the most paperwork. No one seems to have told them that, outside the ghetto, most gun buyers are adults.

It's a shame, because if you can forget about all that idiotic under barrel mounting stuff, this firearm brings some interesting features to the market at not too bad a price. I wouldn't buy one, but at least it's innovative.

mesinge2
December 10, 2012, 10:48 AM
The marketing. USRA went overboard trying to distance themselves from their conservative product line and tried to build buzz by appealing to a rock solid base: 12-year olds. Instead of focussing on the novelty of the thing, they chose to position it as the answer to a question no one asked--how to get the least amount of firepower for the most paperwork. No one seems to have told them that, outside the ghetto, most gun buyers are adults.

It's a shame, because if you can forget about all that idiotic under barrel mounting stuff, this firearm brings some interesting features to the market at not too bad a price. I wouldn't buy one, but at least it's innovative.
Exactly!!

bigfatdave
December 10, 2012, 11:04 AM
I just checked out the product photos closer. What are the two protrusions above the barrel supposed to be for?

Look closer and one is "restrike" and the other is "reload" (or similar, I didn't reference the actual photo for this)
Read the manual (available on the website already) and you'll find that one is to recock the striker and the other is to cycle the bolt

===

If the barrel was about 2.5cm longer, I'd have less concerns about those controls, the thing will require the same discipline as a NAA mini to keep fingers out from the front of the muzzle.

mesinge2
December 10, 2012, 11:24 AM
If the barrel was about 2.5cm longer, I'd have less concerns about those controls, the thing will require the same discipline as a NAA mini to keep fingers out from the front of the muzzle.

The same thought crossed my mind.

Chuck Perry
December 10, 2012, 11:40 AM
Not being one myself, I wonder if this has use for actual real "operators"? The only thing I can think it might be good for is suppressing it and using it against guard dogs and such. I imagine a suppressed 22LR is much quieter than a suppressed 5.56/7.62. So, it would allow someone access to a suppressed 22LR pistol without having to transition from the primary long gun to a secondary sidearm. Or maybe not?

bigfatdave
December 10, 2012, 11:46 AM
Not being one myself, I wonder if this has use for actual real "operators"? why would the nice lady at the phone company need a oddball modular .22lr gun?

Justin
December 10, 2012, 12:02 PM
I just checked out the product photos closer. What are the two protrusions above the barrel supposed to be for?

One of them is the charging handle and the other allows you to re-cock the gun if you have a round that doesn't fire.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.

mesinge2
December 10, 2012, 12:04 PM
why would the nice lady at the phone company need a oddball modular .22lr gun?
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc401/mesinge2/Misc/laughing1.gif

AFDavis11
December 10, 2012, 12:23 PM
One of them is the charging handle and the other allows you to re-cock the gun if you have a round that doesn't fire.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk. Hence all the misspellings and goofy word choices.
Wholly moley, that is too bizarre for me.

coolluke01
December 10, 2012, 12:25 PM
This is an innovative gun. With the endless possibilities that are available with polymer I can't figure out why they chose such a non ergonomic design, but I would have to hold one first I guess.

Video gamers are not just 12 anymore. The 12 year olds of your (the elders among us) generation are now the 30 year olds. Many "kids" 30 and under play video games all day. The marketing is genius and is aimed directly at the 21-30 age group. Many of them have money to spend and love guns. At this price point I can see these doing well if they can get traction in the right markets.

Oh, and don't worry. This demographic I mentioned will hardly ever shoot this thing so injury isn't really a huge concern.

It is a novelty item but could be a big thing if they can continue to improve the ergonomics and usefulness of the design.

A 9mm that uses Glock mags would be cool!

RX-178
December 10, 2012, 04:03 PM
I'm going to echo a few comments that have already been made and say I wish the barrel was longer, so that the charging handle and re-strike handle aren't so close to the muzzle.

Their website does mention that the barrel is meant to be easily changed so that a suppressed barrel can be attached, so I'm hopeful that a longer barrel would be an option.

The price point is certainly good, good enough that I'm seriously considering getting one next year.

Other than the charging handles, if it proves to be reliable, I'd have no real problem with it, and as far as the idea of a pistol that uses 10/22 magazines? Why the heck has it taken so long!

That being said, I don't really think we're looking at the future of handgun design here, but if nobody was willing to try new approaches, we wouldn't have any innovation in the industry.

otasan56
December 10, 2012, 04:06 PM
Strange looking firearms. Did you see the mention that their guns use 10-22 magazines?

Chuck Perry
December 10, 2012, 07:36 PM
and as far as the idea of a pistol that uses 10/22 magazines? Why the heck has it taken so long!

What's old is new?
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USAF_Vet
December 10, 2012, 08:04 PM
Their marketing is... well, stupid.

Aside from that, I REALLY want one.

For $200, a lightweight, hi cap, semi-auto .22LR pistol is something I've been looking for for some time, and this one fits the bill just fine. The fact that it takes 10/22 mags is a plus, as well.

Jaymo
December 10, 2012, 10:12 PM
A bullpup 10/22 pistol that attaches to a tacticool rail?
Can't say I have a use for it.

mr.trooper
December 10, 2012, 10:54 PM
Whatever lamers.

Its profile is close enough to a Russian Bs-1 grenade launcher to warrent spending $800 TOTAL to register one as an SBR and suppress it, so you can sling it under an AK-74, or a semi auto krinkov clone.

Im not gunna do that ... but SOMEONE should.

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