30-30 load help.


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blaisenguns
December 8, 2012, 01:23 PM
Hey guys I was looking through my load manual trying to find a load for a 150grain jacketed bullet and H414 powder. My book is confusing becouse it says "150 grain bullet", and then various charges and the next heading is "150 grain jacketed bullet". There is no load listed under the jacketed bullet for H414, but under "150 grain bullet" it listed 37grains as a starting load. Can I safely use this load with jacketed bullets?

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rcmodel
December 8, 2012, 01:53 PM
Hodgdon & Hornady doesn't even list H-414 as one of the powders suitable for use in the 30-30.

Thats what I like to call a Clue that it probably is a poor choice for that caliber.
It is a little too slow burning for the 30-30 case capacity & pressure limits.

On the other hand, Speer does list it with a 150 grain jacketed bullet & Magnum primer.
34.0 Start.
38.0 Compressed charge MAX.

But you can safely get 200 FPS more velocity with a slightly faster powder like W-748, H-322, or H-335.

rc

blaisenguns
December 8, 2012, 02:27 PM
I was just hopeing to make some with the H414, becouse that is what I have. Getting powders is kind of a pain :banghead:

blaisenguns
December 8, 2012, 02:28 PM
None of those powders are listed in my book either!

rcmodel
December 8, 2012, 02:36 PM
What book do you have??

You can go to Hodgdon for load data:
http://www.hodgdon.com/basic-manual-inquiry.html

rc

45lcshooter
December 8, 2012, 03:46 PM
150 grain bullet and 150 grain jacketed bullet are 2 seperate bullets. The 150gr bullet is probably just a cast bullet, less poweder is used so the bullet doesnt deform, thus shooting cast bullets is less fps and more drop than a jacketed bullet.

Understandable that powder is a pain to get, but alot of people including myself are happy with IMR 4895, good all around rifle powder.

C.F. Plinker
December 8, 2012, 04:13 PM
The Hodgdon book gives data for Winchester 760. E-mail Hodgdon and verify that this data can be used for H414 which is the same powder if manufactured after 2006.

blaisenguns
December 8, 2012, 11:21 PM
I have the Lee manual, and I was wrong H-335 is listed, but none of the others. My manual is weird, becouse in other places it clearly notates Lead Bullets vs Jacketed Bullets. This is the only instance wher I encountered this notation.

ArchAngelCD
December 9, 2012, 12:36 AM
Which Lee manual, when was it printed?

I currently use Hodgdon Leverevolution for my 30-03 ammo and before that I used mostly MR3031. H4895 isn't a bad choice in the 30-30 either as is W748 and a few others.

The Hodgdon load data site link provided above is a great source of current load data for all Hodgdon/ IMR /Winchester powders. The site has load data for 16 powders using a 150gr jacketed bullet. Here is a hint, W760 and H414 are the same powders so if you use the data for W760 from the Hodgdon site and reduce it by 10% for a starting load you can safely use your H414 powder. If you doubt W760 and H414 are identical take a look at the 30-06 load data and you will see the data is identical for both powders.

Steve C
December 9, 2012, 04:26 AM
H414 is a bit slow for the 30-30, more ideal for the 30-06 however there is data that was published by Hodgdon for it in my ONE-Book. If that is what you have it probably worth it to give H414 a try. You do use a bit more of it than some other powders.

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r552/s_o_cikkubs/Hodgdon30_30.jpg

blaisenguns
December 9, 2012, 10:48 AM
"Modern Reloading" second edition 2003

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