Load data for 40S&W Berry's bullets?


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bds
December 9, 2012, 01:51 AM
While posting for another thread, I noticed load data for Berry's bullets in 40S&W for the following bullet weights (Hodgdon site (http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp) has load data for other Hodgdon/IMR/Winchester powders). I also posted jacketed load data for comparison ... No more guessing!

155 GR. BERB FP W231/HP-38 .400" OAL 1.125" Start 5.1 gr (979 fps) 24,100 PSI - Max 6.0 gr (1130 fps) 33,900 PSI
155 GR. HDY XTP W231/HP-38 .400" OAL 1.125" Start 5.0 gr (937 fps) 22,900 PSI - Max 6.0 gr (1103 fps) 33,000 PSI

165 GR. BERB FP W231/HP-38 .400" OAL 1.125" Start 4.7 gr (933 fps) 25,200 PSI - Max 5.4 gr (1049 fps) 33,400 PSI
165 GR. SIE JHP W231/HP-38 .400" OAL 1.125" Start 4.8 gr (946 fps) 28,100 PSI - Max 5.3 gr (1001 fps) 32,500 PSI

180 GR. BERB FP W231/HP-38 .400" OAL 1.125" Start 4.4 gr (872 fps) 26,400 PSI - Max 5.1 gr (984 fps) 33,500 PSI
180 GR. HDY XTP W231/HP-38 .400" OAL 1.125" Start 4.1 gr (797 fps) 23,800 PSI - Max 5.0 gr (947 fps) 32,900 PSI

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ImjinScout
December 9, 2012, 09:03 AM
Thanks for the heads up, I guess that's a start but I wish they would include more of Berry's most popular bullets. I checked the 9mm and the 45 but not anything listed so far.

rfwobbly
December 9, 2012, 09:29 AM
Inside sources told me that Berry sent bullet samples of every caliber to Hodgdon early last spring to support getting those loads published. Then Hodgdon promised to have those bullets supported with published data by July. Hodgdon must have used them all for IDPA because hardly any of the loads have been published. So it's not Berry doing the foot dragging.

showmebob
December 9, 2012, 02:09 PM
Just wondering, are you sure that BERB stands for Berry's? There is also Berger Bullets. The 180 grain load I looked at showed a stouter load for the plated bullet than the jacketed bullet which is just backward from what I was always told.

ImjinScout
December 9, 2012, 02:32 PM
Funny you mention that because I checked the load data for HS-6 which is what I load for .40 and it was way over what I currently load so maybe its not for berrys bullets

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rcmodel
December 9, 2012, 02:36 PM
Hodgdon 2009 manual:
BERB = Berry bullets.
BER = Berger bullets.

Berger doesn't make handgun bullets.

rc

GLOOB
December 9, 2012, 02:59 PM
I've loaded to Hodgon's and/or Alliant's max jacketed data with Berry's in all my semiauto handguns. No issues, to date. But the Berry's were giving notably higher velocity with some of my 9mm loads. This probably means that there is a difference, just not enough to cause an issue with my specific handguns/loads.

With Rainier's, yeah. Got some overpressure signs, including failures to extract (leaving the empty case in the chamber) and extremely stout recoil in 40SW. Might have been something to do with OAL, as the Rainier's was slightly longer in this case. But also could mean the Rainier's pill was acting more like cast, and the same powder charge was creating higher velocity and more recoil, making the action open earlier.

bds
December 9, 2012, 03:25 PM
are you sure that BERB stands for Berry's? There is also Berger Bullets.
BERB = Berry bullets.
BER = Berger bullets.

Berger doesn't make handgun bullets.
Came back from Sunday brunch and saw the thread. Yes, rcmodel is correct and this is taken from Hodgdon Reloading Manual (www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Hodgdon%20Basic%20Manual.pdf):

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=175978&stc=1&d=1355084514

cfullgraf
December 9, 2012, 03:27 PM
The current Accurate and Ramshot data has some plated bullets in it. I forget the calibers and it is not all inclusive, but it is a start.

bds
December 9, 2012, 03:38 PM
Accurate and Ramshot have load data for Berry's 9mm bullets under "BRY"

Yes I agree. At least we now have "something" to go by and I am glad the load data Hodgdon tested was for the higher pressure 40S&W, a cartridge that many reloaders have concerns with.

I have previously used Berry's MFG recommendation of start-to-mid range load data for their regular plated bullets. As an example, for 180 gr TCFP bullet, I used up to 4.5 gr of W231/HP-38 and now feel comfortable knowing that I can use mid-to-high range jacketed load data as indicated by the new load data. I really wished Hodgdon had tested more calibers.
180 GR. BERB FP W231/HP-38 .400" OAL 1.125" Start 4.4 gr (872 fps) 26,400 PSI - Max 5.1 gr (984 fps) 33,500 PSI

180 GR. HDY XTP W231/HP-38 .400" OAL 1.125" Start 4.1 gr (797 fps) 23,800 PSI - Max 5.0 gr (947 fps) 32,900 PSI

ImjinScout
December 9, 2012, 04:59 PM
These can be berrys bullets but I load a lot of .40 S&W and I started when they just listed the XTP data and I worked my loads up from there. All I load in .40 is HS-6 and my current load is 6.3grs with a COL of 1.125 and it is by no means a bunny fart load. I have loaded to 6.7 grs and although I don't have a chrony they did seem to get a lot hotter load just from feel.

From my experience, now I have only been loading for about 1 1/2 years and I get great info from this board, and bds and rcmodel you have helped me in the past. I can tell you that based on my knowledge I wouldn't load to the high end that Hodgon is calling for in this instance. They even list the bullet dia. as .400 and it should read .401. Below is what I copied and pasted from the Hodgon site for HS-6, just my 2 cents and as always individuals will have to start low and work up. This example just seems a little high to me. Thanks

180 GR. BERB FP Hodgdon HS-6 .400" 1.125" 6.6 924 25,400 PSI 7.4 1041 31,800 PSI
180 GR. HDY XTP Hodgdon HS-6 .400" 1.125" 6.1 876 25,900 PSI 6.9 976 32,500 PSI

showmebob
December 9, 2012, 06:34 PM
RC and BDS, thanks for clearing that up.............looks like I need yet another loading manual. Manual downloaded, thanks for the link.

Walkalong
December 9, 2012, 06:36 PM
The Vihtavuori PDFs online also have some plated data.

But having Hodgdon finally putting out some Berrys data is very good news indeed.

Hondo 60
December 9, 2012, 09:28 PM
Hodgdon's startin to publish at least some Berry's data. :scrutiny:
They have some for Berry's 44 cal 220 gr FP. :)

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