removing two squib 22's


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Bw2k2000
December 9, 2012, 09:28 PM
Hi all I got a remington model 41 target master for free that someone has got two rounds stuck in the barrel. I have tried a long piece of brass and a hammer, tried the viniger and hydrogen peroxide 50/50, and just about every thing else. Any other recipes out their minus mercury? Is it time to reline the barrel even though it would not be cost effective for the gun? Any input would be great.

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Kp321
December 9, 2012, 09:35 PM
I have never failed to drive 22 bullets out with a brass rod. Use as close to bore size as possible and have a minimum length outside the barrel, even if it means having multiple pieces of brass of different lengths. The 41's I have worked on have very deep rifling which raises the bore friction.
There are too many things left to try to think of relining.

351 WINCHESTER
December 9, 2012, 09:54 PM
Pour some Kroil or other oil liberally and proceed.

Bw2k2000
December 9, 2012, 10:08 PM
I was just getting frustrated with it. Ordered some smaller brass rods and will try again. Didn't even think of using kroil. I will give it a shot. Thanks for the quick replies

Jolly Rogers
December 10, 2012, 05:57 PM
If the rods you have are able to slide in the bore and reach the obstruction...they don't need to be any smaller.
Joe

Jim Watson
December 10, 2012, 11:16 PM
He meant shorter, not smaller diameter, Jolly.

The idea is to not have so much length of rod out the muzzle that it will bend or even just "twang" and vibrate when hit.

Ken70
December 11, 2012, 12:22 AM
Put some thick oil in the barrel, insert a brass rod close to barrel diameter and hit it. Probably less than an inch sticking out won't bend.

wv109323
December 11, 2012, 03:28 PM
Kroil or ATF and let it set for a while. No one mentioned heat but warming the barrel with a hair dryer would not hurt. That may even allow the Kroil to penetrate better.

rcmodel
December 11, 2012, 03:47 PM
Pounding on oil in the plugged bore is a bad idea.

You could bulge the barrel due to intense hydraulic pressure.

The two bullets should drive right out once he gets some penetrating oil in around them and some brass rod the right size & length.

rc

Jolly Rogers
December 11, 2012, 07:02 PM
Well...ok
I don't usually refer to lengths as big or small.:scrutiny:
Joe

Ken70
December 11, 2012, 08:08 PM
Pounding on oil in the plugged bore is a bad idea.

You could bulge the barrel due to intense hydraulic pressure.

The two bullets should drive right out once he gets some penetrating oil in around them and some brass rod the right size & length.

rc
Rcmodel, I realize you're considered an "elder stateman;fossil" around here. But think about what happens if you hit a brass rod onto some oil in a plugged bore. That gun barrel is made of some seriously strong ordnance steel, the lead bullets stuck in the same barrel; not so strong. The bullets will deform or move before you'd be able to exceed the tensile strength of the barrel. I saw this technique in a Brownell's Gunsmithing Kinks book from about the time you were emerging from the primordial ooze. So it's been a long time and there was no retraction/warning in subsequent Kinks books...

Bw2k2000
December 11, 2012, 08:09 PM
Thanks for the adivse guys and sorry to mislead you Jolly but yes i ment shorter rods. I even read that lead will shrink when cooled so i threw the barrel in the freezer for the night. I do think that i was just getting to much vibration because the rod i was using was sticking out of the barrel to far. Not enough thud as some would say.

rcmodel
December 11, 2012, 08:28 PM
Rcmodel, I realize you're considered an "elder stateman;fossil" around here. But think about what happens if you hit a brass rod onto some oil in a plugged bore.Well O.K. then.

But think what happens if he traps some air under the rod that has oxygen in it?
And he compresses the air/oil mix enough that it "Diesels".

And the rod he is pounding on Shoots His Eye Out!! :D

Then, you'll be sorry I Betcha! :neener:


Just drive the dang thing out with a proper fitting brass rod!

rc

.22-5-40
December 11, 2012, 08:34 PM
I would think with two bullets stuck..that bore is already bulged!

Bw2k2000
December 11, 2012, 08:45 PM
I don't plan on shooting my eye out anytime soon so we are good their. Also the rounds are stuck in different places. One is about 4 inches from muzzel and the other is about 8 inches form breech. Their is enough space around the bullets to let Rem-Oil go all the way through.

rcmodel
December 11, 2012, 08:50 PM
One is about 4 inches from muzzel and the other is about 8 inches form breech.

Well, if Rem-Oil runs through them??

You should be able to push them out with a good stiff cleaning rod.

(Unless there are 8 or 12 bullets stacked 4 inches from muzzel to 8 inches from breech.)

You got no way to know what is between what you think are two bullets stuck that far apart in a barrel.
And it doesn't ever happen like that anyway.


I think you got a whole bunch of bullets stuck one on top of the next one.

Better take it to a gunsmith and hope for the best!

rc

Teachu2
December 11, 2012, 10:08 PM
Sounds like an excellent start to a build to me - all you need is to choose the new barrel....

Ken70
December 11, 2012, 10:09 PM
You need a slide hammer. A screw on the shaft that impales the bullet and then you pull it out. Google slide hammer to see what I'm talking about.

col.lemat
December 11, 2012, 10:18 PM
use fire, burn em out

Bw2k2000
December 11, 2012, 10:43 PM
You know RC I also think that their is more then two bullets in their. By the way I am a recent graduate of the Colorado School of Trades and this is my first gunsmithing project since school.

rodinal220
December 12, 2012, 09:55 AM
I keep 5mm O-1 drill rod(3') for .22rf and 5.56/223 stuck bullet work.

triggerman770
December 13, 2012, 01:55 PM
you do, realize that Hydrogen peroxide can/will oxidize the bore don't you?

rodinal220
December 17, 2012, 10:38 AM
5mm O-1 drill rod.Cut a piece to length for pistol use.I keep several lengths on my bench and range kit for 22RF and 5.56 use.

murf
December 18, 2012, 02:23 PM
an hydraulic press on that brass rod would be better than a hammer. probably not practical since you will have to remove the barrel, but more effective.

murf

Master Blaster
December 18, 2012, 02:38 PM
Drop in a good brass or stainless steel cleaning rod (muzzle or breech which ever end you can get it in and tap tap tap tap tap tap. Light taps with a mallet or hammer and they will move and come out, Do not try to kill it with a hard wack or alot of force or you will deform them and they will be harder to get out. Many light taps.

PCFlorida
December 18, 2012, 07:30 PM
I'm hoping the OP updates this with the results of his efforts and how many bullets were actually in there, color me curious.

Jim K
December 18, 2012, 08:09 PM
In a rifled bore, howinheck could you get enough pressure with a bore (not groove) diameter rod to cause dieseling due to oil ignition?

If there is only one bullet stuck the answer is simply to pull the bullet on a round, dump out half the powder, keeping the rest in with a bit of cotton, and shoot the stuck bullet out.

But I am not sure what would happen with two bullets, if they were some distance apart.

Jim

4v50 Gary
December 18, 2012, 08:45 PM
use fire, burn em out

A Kerr armed Confederate tried that. He ruined the gun. He should have sent it back to the ordnance officers.

rcmodel
December 18, 2012, 08:47 PM
to cause dieseling due to oil ignition?Hey!

The dieseling & shoot your eye out thing was supposed to be a joke!

Trying to "shoot the bullet out" with a cotton ball is not!

The OP has more then two bullets in it now.
He said:
One is about 4 inches from muzzle and the other is about 8 inches form breech.

You can't stick two bullets like that.
The whole bore is full of bullets I betcha!!

rc

barnbwt
December 18, 2012, 08:52 PM
A while back a guy had a squib in an AR barrel, as well as the shattered remnants of a wooden dowel or two. I believe it was agreed that the problem could be killed with fire; that is, heat applied to the barrel could melt the lead, and even burn out the wood, but remain well below the de-tempering threshold of steels. I would suggest a heat gun rather than an open flame (probably safer for any bluing). I would not suggest a heavy hydraulic press that could easily damage the barrel if used improperly.

Barring that, I'd suggest having a gunsmith remove the barrel, and use an end mill to remove half the diameter of the barrel at the squib location; making a handy keepsake to always check for squibs when shooting ;)
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I really like that second one. There's another out there of a Dan Wesson (IIRC) with so many 38's squibbed in the barrel the revolver jammed--after the reload!

TCB

Mauser lover
December 18, 2012, 08:53 PM
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nofishbob
December 18, 2012, 09:42 PM
I have unfortunate and unpleasant experience with removing underloaded jacketed bullets from a revolver barrel.

In my case the barrel was not bulged externally at all, but it had five Hornady XTPs stuck in the bore.

I accepted that I had ruined or at least damaged the barrel and set about removing the XTPs with a "what can I lose?" attitude.

The successful method was to drill out the lead cores and saw a slot in the jackets with a "safe" hacksaw blade. The jackets were then pried out with a custom ground scraper/chisel. The sawing, a tiny bit at a time, took about 3 hours. Boy were my fingers sore!

After all this, I had no scratches in the bore except where I tried to rush things by using a screwdriver (DUH!). The barrel has a series of faint rings inside that are hard to see but can be felt with a tight patch.

The gun shoots fine, but has obviously been greatly reduced in value. I screwed it up.

I could have saved the revolver in barnbwt's post!

Bob

Jim K
December 19, 2012, 08:32 PM
Shooting out a stuck bullet (one) with a light powder charge and NO bullet is a perfectly feasible technique, and I have used it several times. But when I mention it, the usual response is that I will bulge, blow, burst the barrel. Not so.

You have to understand what causes barrel bulges to see why. A barrel bulges because something stops the moving bullet. Whether that something is a stuck bullet or some other obstruction doesn't matter. When the bullet stops, its kinetic energy is instantly converted to heat. The heat softens the barrel steel and the pressure bulges it. The heat dump is so fast and over so quickly that there is usually no external sign (such as discoloration) to indicate the barrel ever got hot, but it did.

But with a light load and no bullet (the cotton is only to keep the powder in the case), there is no kinetic energy and no heat, so there is no barrel softening and no bulge. The stuck bullet is pushed out the barrel with no damage to the barrel. Of course, folks don't believe this, so they keep trying to remove stuck bullets with hand drills, tool steel rods, and other devices that are guaranteed to ruin the barrel.

But when there are a whole bunch of bullets in a barrel, it is probably time to get a new barrel and do a serious review of one's shooting and reloading techniques.

Jim

HankC
December 20, 2012, 05:18 PM
But with a light load and no bullet
How light is a light load?

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