Preban 1911 9mm Mags?


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Hunterdad
December 9, 2012, 10:38 PM
Anyone know if preban double stack 9mm 1911 mags exhist?

Thanks
Adam

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mljdeckard
December 9, 2012, 10:48 PM
For which gun?

Hunterdad
December 10, 2012, 07:02 AM
I was thinking about picking up a RIA Double Stack 9mm

wally
December 10, 2012, 11:02 AM
I was thinking about picking up a RIA Double Stack 9mm

You'll need Para P18 pre-ban mags. I don't know when the P18 came out (if its a post-ban design you are SOL) or how difficult it will be to find pre-ban mags for it.

Its easy to find current production mags for it as Mec-Gar makes 17 rounders which I've found to be more reliable than the 18 round Para P18 mags.

Jim Watson
December 10, 2012, 11:18 AM
The ban ran from 1994 to 2004, expiring eight years ago.
The model was not in production then so there is no such thing as a pre ban magazine.

I expect they will sell new manufacture full capacity magazines for their guns.

mljdeckard
December 10, 2012, 12:32 PM
^^That's what I thought, and that's why I asked.

wally
December 10, 2012, 01:21 PM
The ban ran from 1994 to 2004, expiring eight years ago.
The model was not in production then so there is no such thing as a pre ban magazine.

Are you referring to the Para P18? If so the OP is SOL.

I know the Armscor/RIA 1911-A2 widebody guns are all post 2004 ban, but the Para widebody 45ACP 1911 was a pre 1994 ban gun, I just don't know when they came out with the 9mm version, 9mm pistols were nowhere near as popular in the early 90's as they are now, so I'm afraid Jim is probably correct.

He should be able to buy Para 10 round mags for the P18 and they will work in his RIA 1911-A2 9mm. Although these could be hard to find too, as Para seems to have a pretty low profile these days.

--wally.

JTQ
December 10, 2012, 02:00 PM
I was going to say I don't understand the issue with "pre ban" and "post ban" mags, since we are in the post ban era and full capacity mags are available just about everywhere, until I saw you are in New York. Is New York one of those "limited capacity" states?

ParaUSA currently makes the P18-9, so if you aren't in a limited capacity state, those mags would be available.

http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=10

mgmorden
December 10, 2012, 02:18 PM
9mm pistols were nowhere near as popular in the early 90's as they are now, so I'm afraid Jim is probably correct.

That's one thing that I do like regarding the passing of a new AWB. Double-stack 9mm's were not as common back in the early 90's. The main one people knew of (the Browning Hi Power) still only held 13 rounds in a mag and most of the others were still single stack with 8-9 round capacities. Others were out (Glock, Beretta, etc), but didn't seem to have really caught on with the public yet. A 10-round limit really didn't affect too many people.

Now though 17 to 18 round 9mm's are very common. It'll be much more difficult for them to claim anything over 10-rounds is excessive this time around.

Ironically, having gotten into handguns in the early 2000's when the AWB was still in place, the prevailing attitude for people who couldn't get hi-caps was to skip the 9mm and go for the .40. Afterall both could easily fit 10 rounds in a standard sized mag, so if you were going to be limited to 10 rounds then you might as well make it 10 more powerful rounds.

I wonder how they'd react to the knowledge that the original AWB generally seemed to encourage people to carry more powerful handguns than they otherwise would :).

otasan56
December 10, 2012, 02:26 PM
I remember the 1994-2004 magazine ban. I had five Glock 17 original mags close by for all of those years. Thank God the stupid bill expired.

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