Diesel. Have you used any *lately*?


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KMatch
December 13, 2012, 07:54 PM
Everywhere you read, you see folks saying, "Soak (corn, carpet, your socks, underwear, whatever) in diesel. It's the best for attracting hogs or deterring coons!" I have to wonder if anyone can say that who's used it in the last several years since it's been changed from LSD to USLD. That's Low Sulfur to Ultra Low and the USLD has almost no smell. Working on the buses that come into my shop and not noticing the smell until swimming in it, I seriously have to wonder if the same attraction is there that was there in the 90s the old timers are likely bragging about. So... what have you done with it lately?

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Davek1977
December 14, 2012, 04:51 AM
In 35 years of life, I've never heard soaking ANYTHING in diesel was good for attracting animals. Growing up in a rural environment, we had diesel tanks on the ranch....diesel truck tanks....diesel everywhere....but never noticed it having any ability to draw in critters. When eliminating scent seems to be the idea, smelling like a truck stop never occurred to me as being a good idea.

KMatch
December 14, 2012, 08:14 AM
It never seemed good to me either. But, many folks SWEAR by it! I think they're just passing on information from their elders. Some of the creosote claims make sense, but I challenge anyone to show me proof of the diesel. Your case is what I'd expect. Other claims say craters have been dug under their leaky tractors and again, if true, was that with TODAY'S diesel, or more handed down information from Grandad when diesel had a smell?

Oh, and the claims are it *repells* most critters - it *attracts* pigs. I dunno...

Blue68f100
December 14, 2012, 09:18 AM
I use it when I bait my hog trap. But I only use just a tad to taint it, not soaked. But the stuff I have was probably a year old. It did not have much odor but it was there. It was the OFF road diesel which has the dye in it. It does keep the other animals away. I can go back weeks later and the corn is still there.

KMatch
December 14, 2012, 09:27 AM
I use it when I bait my hog trap. But I only use just a tad to taint it, not soaked. But the stuff I have was probably a year old. It did not have much odor but it was there. It was the OFF road diesel which has the dye in it. It does keep the other animals away. I can go back weeks later and the corn is still there.
That's where my research fell flat - farm versus road. Supposedly, it ALL went to ULSD, but the offroad blend took longer to change. Do you notice the smell in yours from 5 feet away, or do you have to stick your nose in the bucket? 5 ft = LSD, nose-in-bucket = ULSD and it's the ULSD I have to wonder about whether it's still of value or not.

And yes, too many folks think they need to "soak" the bait when in reality, it's more of a mist that was used for smell rather than a soaking for taste. A lot of people get bent out of shape over this when in fact, if done right, it's likely safe for human consumption out of the bucket (though not recommended) and even more so when processed through a pig. And if those same folks had a clue to what else pigs eat, well, they'd never eat pigs!

I'm not for OR against. I'm simply after some thoughts on whether it actually works with today's fuels.

Blue68f100
December 14, 2012, 02:15 PM
You can hardly smell it 5' away. But wild life has better sniffers than we do. It still keeps the deer, coons and other animals away still.

gspn
December 14, 2012, 02:58 PM
FINALLY!!! A topic that hasnt already been beat to death on the internet!:D

MtnCreek
December 14, 2012, 02:58 PM
That's where my research fell flat - farm versus road. Supposedly, it ALL went to ULSD, but the offroad blend took longer to change. Do you notice the smell in yours from 5 feet away, or do you have to stick your nose in the bucket? 5 ft = LSD, nose-in-bucket = ULSD and it's the ULSD I have to wonder about whether it's still of value or not.
Wife ran be out of the house the other weekend when I came in to get a drink after filling up the tractor w/ off road fuel (got a little on my shirt). It's still stout smelling.

Texan Scott
December 14, 2012, 03:54 PM
I've never used it as bait ... or as a repellant, though I can see how that ought to work. Somehow I doubt its efficacy.

I do know guys who claim it baits hogs. I don't know them to have shot a lot of hogs though. My guess is that it's not so much good bait for hogs as that hogs are the only animal (other than their closest relatives, humans) that don't mind eating obviously poisonous garbage when they're hungry.

One request/ suggestion? I'm not a big environmentalist, but a LOT of us around here - and maybe where you live too - get our drinking water from wells. Please, if you're going to do this, use a plastic tub and then dispose of it as you ought to dispose of anything fuel contaminated. Don't pour it on the ground or let it go to a landfill. We who don't particularly care about the bobble-headed spot-faced woodpecker still have to drink the water. Thanks.

KMatch
December 14, 2012, 04:42 PM
FINALLY!!! A topic that hasnt already been beat to death on the internet!:D
I've never seen it debated. I've only seen it spewed out as if it's the end all to beat all and I'm calling BULL if anyone is making the same claims with today's fuels. Yep, it still stinks if you swim in it, and sure, the animals have better smelling than me, but I'm questioning if what used to work (a light spray) would still work today, or are folks simply pouring it out by the gallon to get any results. I'm fairly net savy but can only find those making the claims and those bowing to their leadership whereas every other bait or lure has arguments on both sides of pro or con. The only cons I see for diesel are for pollution reasons. If it were "all that", I'd think corn wouldn't even be needed or recommended. There's the challenge! Anyone with firsthand experience using it out of the pump? If you have to use it by the gallon, keep it to yourself...

adelbridge
December 14, 2012, 04:48 PM
hogs love to wallow in oily nastiness because it repels insects. Hogs will rub up against creosote tarred phone poles because they know it gets rid of the lice and ticks. diesel is the same thing, gets rid of bugs, hogs dont mind it and it keeps other critters off the corn. I wont eat a hog that has been eating diesel corn. I do have a post that I soak in corn oil and they sometimes come to it on my game cam.

Kachok
December 14, 2012, 11:22 PM
^ This! Hogs love it but not for the reason we would initially think.

alsaqr
December 28, 2012, 04:13 PM
IMO: Its a waste of good corn and good diesel. Hogs here will not touch corn that has any diesel on it. i wouldn't eat a hog thats been eating diesel anyway.

If you want to use something to make corn more attractive to hogs use strawberry Jello.

Patocazador
December 28, 2012, 04:19 PM
hogs love to wallow in oily nastiness because it repels insects. Hogs will rub up against creosote tarred phone poles because they know it gets rid of the lice and ticks. diesel is the same thing, gets rid of bugs, hogs dont mind it and it keeps other critters off the corn. I wont eat a hog that has been eating diesel corn. I do have a post that I soak in corn oil and they sometimes come to it on my game cam.
Around here people wrap burlap feed sacks that are soaked in diesel around trees and it attracts the hogs who use it as a rub to keep ticks off. Otherwise the hogs will use their cutters to slice up the base of a yellow (long-leaf) pine and rub in the sap which contains turpentine.

KMatch
December 29, 2012, 10:32 AM
I get a kick out of folks who claim "I won't eat a hog that eats diesel". They're wild animals! So tell me, what do they eat when they make their runs at night before they hit your feeder?? Hint: it's possible they're getting things a lot more toxic than a smear of diesel. Just something to think about...

Anyway, I've done some tests around my area. Diesel is out. Molasses and Hog Wild do OK while diesel on corn or carpet or fenceposts gets totally ignored when side by side. Also, I've had no luck with some other store bought gimmicks, such as Grim Reaper and 2 other in heat scents. Pig pipes are useless here as well as postholes with ANY of the mixes mentioned above. I'm wondering if it's an "age" thing. I've yet to see anything over 200 pounds around here. I'm wondering if "lack of experience" plays any part in this?

Eleanor416Rigby
December 29, 2012, 02:02 PM
The main purpose is to keep other animals off the corn. When pigs want corn, they will find it and come to it just by itself. Their nose is very good. If you aren't using the diesel to keep deer/coons/etc. off the corn, then it is probably not worth the trouble IMHO.

rodinal220
December 29, 2012, 02:33 PM
Maybe they like B100;)

alsaqr
December 29, 2012, 08:41 PM
If you aren't using the diesel to keep deer/coons/etc. off the corn, then it is probably not worth the trouble IMHO

i've shot over 30 and trapped well over 200 wild hogs this year without using diesel. Years ago when we had a problem with coons we trapped and relocated the suckers. Coons here do not come to feeders that hogs frequent often. Somewhere i've got a couple game camera photos of hogs dining on coons.

alsaqr
December 30, 2012, 07:36 PM
Caught this guy today. Yep, we caught him today. He was not there this morning when my friend checked the trap before deer hunting. When i drove by at 16:00 there he was.

So much for human scent. I set that trap in the dark after deer hunting yesterday. Bait was plain old shelled corn.



http://i.imgur.com/t9yBnl.jpg (http://imgur.com/t9yBn)

Patocazador
December 30, 2012, 08:51 PM
Caught this guy today. Yep, we caught him today. He was not there this morning when my friend checked the trap before deer hunting. When i drove by at 16:00 there he was.

So much for human scent. I set that trap in the dark after deer hunting yesterday. Bait was plain old shelled corn.



http://i.imgur.com/t9yBnl.jpg (http://imgur.com/t9yBn)
That's the ugliest hog I've ever seen! ;) Looks like a mad scientist cooked it up.

chas08
January 2, 2013, 11:54 AM
IMO: Its a waste of good corn and good diesel. Hogs here will not touch corn that has any diesel on it.
That was exactly what I experienced a few years ago with my only experiment with Diesel soaked corn! Nothing touched it for weeks! I eventually had to move the trap to start catching hogs again.

That is one UGLY Hog in the picture above...lol !

KMatch
January 3, 2013, 08:17 AM
http://i.imgur.com/t9yBnl.jpg (http://imgur.com/t9yBn)

Remember this! There was a day centuries ago, when someone made the choice, "I gotta eat one of those! Looks yummie!". Hint: It wasn't me. If that thing were my introduction to pork I would be one step closer to a veggie!

jack44
January 3, 2013, 10:09 PM
Not at the current prices.

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