Trying to talk myself into it but IMHO the condition does not warrant that much cash. Pre 18 5 screw .22LR has a big chip in the grip panel and appears to have a significant amount of blue wear pics can be misleading and may look better in person. How much would you pay for this gun?
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December 13, 2012, 10:10 PM
In a heart beat.
December 13, 2012, 10:31 PM
No way, $350 max.
December 13, 2012, 10:31 PM
Agreed, if you don't want it, where do I find it?
December 13, 2012, 10:34 PM
bikemutt is spoiled by his many great scores of late. In my neck of the woods;
a) hard to find
b) the photography is what is bad, not the gun
c) fine .22s such as this are going for a premium, no idea why, just is.
December 13, 2012, 10:38 PM
I think that chip in the grip really detracts from the value in my opinion. And I agree that pics can make a decent gun look really bad.
December 13, 2012, 10:40 PM
I have replacement grips right here in my drawer. I would take it. They ain't going to get more plentiful or less expensive.
P.S. I also know a man in Texas that superbly restores classic grips. Let me know if you wanna get hooked up.
December 13, 2012, 10:52 PM
Thank you for the offer RS I may want to get the grips restored if I buy it. I Would want to keep the grips on the gun if they number to the gun.
December 13, 2012, 10:59 PM
Target hammer, and smooth (combat?) trigger? Those are upgrades/non standard. Yeah, a little worn, but 99% ones might be $750. I got a similar condition K22 6 inch from a recent widow for $375 with standard hammer and trigger, but I thought it was a steal, as it shoots as accurately as any gun that I have. If I had paid $475 for mine, I'd still be happy.
December 13, 2012, 10:59 PM
My guy is pretty good. Go to the Colt Forum and search swamprat. I Paid $75.00 per to restore Colt snubby and vintage Smith Target grips. I've been very happy.
December 13, 2012, 11:10 PM
My thinking is that with classics like this relatively soon (less than 10 years?) love nor money will get you close to one. Think what you will and act accordingly.
P.S. or even better, search your ass off to try to beat this deal on a Simth pre-war 18 and see what you come up with.
December 13, 2012, 11:16 PM
But I am NOT a collector. It seems to be a good value, but it just isn't something that I would buy.
December 13, 2012, 11:18 PM
Myself, nada, not a big rimfire fan. It is a a nice looking classic wheelgun though.
December 13, 2012, 11:21 PM
I would not buy it for a collectable as the condition is to rough. I think of it just as a vintage old school cool shooter and most S&W 17 or 18's bring at least $450 to $500 I need Bikemutt to come back in and talk me down because I feel like I am going to jump!!!
December 13, 2012, 11:39 PM
OK, OK, I recant.
I'm thinking back to a 5-screw K38 I picked up for $350 OTD a year ago (there may still be an open warrant on that steal, lol).
The grip-chip doesn't matter, I may even have a pair I'll send you for just postage via PM request if you buy it.
Go for it!
December 14, 2012, 02:15 AM
The Model 17 is probably worth $475 but I wouldn't pay that much for a Model 18.
December 14, 2012, 02:33 AM
I collect early S&W Handguns. My own rule is I will not pay collector prices for any Smith below 90% condition. Any S&W below 90% to me is an interesting shooter. It seems over the years paying high prices for guns that are well used has been bad investments.:)
December 14, 2012, 03:01 AM
18s are worth more than 17s and are harder to find. They just don't get a better shooter .22 than a 5 or 4 screw Model 18 FWIW.
December 14, 2012, 06:52 AM
Actually, for $475, I would consider it.
December 14, 2012, 08:07 AM
My 18-2 is one of my favorite .22s. Golf balls at 25yds. and shotgun hulls as long as they can be seen keep me smiling at the great deal - 425 - I got on the gun. Mine had been shot a lot as evidenced by the wear and almost total lack of blueing on the ejector rod. So what! Someone just broke it in for me.
I swapped out grips as my bigger hands need the target stocks.
Just my opinion, but how many 5 screw 18s in your price range have you seen, much less had the chance to play with?
The target hammer is a plus you will enjoy - one that I really should explore - and the screws on the sideplate and the sideplate edges are not boogered up.
Tends to make one think a competent person has been under the hood.
The ejector rod looks to have most of it's blue, indicating carried more carry than trigger time.
Honest finish wear consistent with holster wear is not a turn off for me.
So, if the action feels as clean as the gun looks, I'd pull the trigger.
My take, JT
December 14, 2012, 08:25 AM
I'd b sorely tempted. Pre Model 18/Model 18 prices are insane.
December 14, 2012, 08:31 AM
I would pay that price for it, if I wanted a model 18 before I would pay the price of the new classic ones.
December 14, 2012, 10:30 AM
Model 17's and 18's have skyrocketed in price with the 18 leading the way.
I bought a pristine 18 recently for $575 at an auction, and had two offers of over $600 before I got home.
December 14, 2012, 11:14 AM
When was the last time you saw one for less?
When do you think the next time will be?
Naturally I'd offer a bit less...worse thing they can say is no, but if I wanted it, I wouldn't lose it over a few bucks.
December 14, 2012, 11:38 AM
it seems a little high (400-425 seems right in that condition)...but if it otherwise checks out...why not?
It ain't goin' down in value
December 14, 2012, 11:40 AM
Five screw for sure, but I don't think the 4" .22 K-frames (Model 18) were made before WWII. I think this one might be from the later 1940's.
December 14, 2012, 02:51 PM
Going to look at the gun at 1PM PDST follow up coming
December 14, 2012, 03:06 PM
IMHO, I'd say right at about $350-$395, pictures are a little hard to make out a gun's condition. At $475, I would offer $400 or $425, if the mechanics and trigger condition feel good.
$475 only if you really want it and feel you HAVE to have it.
Price is not too far off but leaves some wiggle room for negotiation. I think the seller is very aware of what he/she has and is smart in uppin the price just a tiny bit to get fair price.
Make an offer but not an insult on it and I'm sure you both will come to an agreement to make you both happy!
December 14, 2012, 03:33 PM
This is similar to the 15 I found a couple weeks ago, haven't seen one in this good of condition in years, not worried about price, I jumped on it like a rat on a Cheeto !
December 14, 2012, 07:54 PM
Well I bought the gun looked much better in person than the pics other than the chip in the grip panel I will get it cleaned up and post some pics tomorrow.
December 14, 2012, 08:05 PM
Congrats tubby! Just shoot me a PM if you want me to hook you up with Mr. Clark in Texas.
December 14, 2012, 08:45 PM
You're gonna like that rascal.
December 15, 2012, 12:01 AM
Good deal. Only problem you'll likely encounter is all the bullets going through the same hole in the target.
December 15, 2012, 12:28 AM
I think you did okay with the M18. I bought a 18-3 (~98/99%) for $450 five years ago. Thought it was a little high then, but it is a very nice revolver. Bought it to shoot and then after buying it... I hate to.
If it was my money and you have already bought it, I would have tried to drop the price a little and bought it even if the seller held firm. I kind of want a shooter. What new production can you buy now that comes close?
December 15, 2012, 12:36 AM
The three finest trail guns in .22 are the S&W's 34, 18, and 17, and the choice is really what size fits your tastes or needs. Congrats, and shoot the hell out of it!
December 15, 2012, 07:29 AM
Congratulations. You will like it I'm sure. I had one like it for a year or so, that I paid about the same for. Eventually sold it off when I purged my collection down to just a few guns that I shot regularly. Who knows. I might buy another one someday.
One thing you might have trouble with, I did, was the chambers being tight. I had a heck of a time getting empties to eject. It was just a matter of mine needed a GOOD cleaning of the chambers, but it took a lot of cleaning to get them even "better" and even then it still took a good hard rap on the ejector rod. One of the reasons I was willing to let mine go, and kept the Dan Wesson that I did. The DW ejected empties smooth as a babies bottom. You may not have the problem, but give those chambers a good cleaning anyway.
December 15, 2012, 11:54 AM
You see threads often concerning buying a DA 22 revolver for "under $500, under $400, under $300" etc. You purchased exactly what I have often recommended to these people. The only people that would have passed on it didn't have enough money, already have one or a M17, or simply don't understand what they are looking at.
I think this is a good lesson on pricing a used gun that is desireable... estimated value + $25.
December 15, 2012, 12:51 PM
Here are some pics there not great has some reflection looks better than these show ended up getting it for $425.00 so I think it was a okay deal. Trying to get the screws out soaked them kroll overnight got 2 on the side plate other two are still tight any secrets you can share?
The other pics made the finish on the cylinder look really questionable at bet.
425 is a good price and yes...I would have bought it.
As to your screws, having already soaked them, try a few light taps with a plastic hammer. Do NOT go too hard. You can accomplish the same thing with more, lighter taps and the possibility of damage goes down to zero. Make sure the hammer face is perfectly clean. A shop rag can help too.
December 15, 2012, 04:12 PM
That model 18 is barely broke in. You have a gun that your grandkid's kids can enjoy.
I have 3 17's, an 18, and K-22 Outdoorsman, but I would have sprained my wrist grabbin' my wallet for that one.
December 15, 2012, 04:58 PM
I think it was a okay dealUnderstatement for sure.
Good score on the 4" K-22 Combat Masterpiece bigtubby.