What's what in the world of accurate 22's


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R.W.Dale
December 14, 2012, 06:35 AM
Pondering spending my Xmas bonus on a nice heavy barreled 22 for high accuracy shooting and possibly smallbore shillouette. Turns out I've been kinda out of the rimfire loop for awhile so please chime in on what's hot and what's not in the world of accurate 22's avalible in 2012




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ole farmerbuck
December 14, 2012, 07:32 AM
I'm looking at getting one of these.
http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Firearms.asp

Suppose to be very accurate.

Captain Capsize
December 14, 2012, 07:49 AM
You can spend big bucks searching for accuracy but that may not be necessary. A couple of buds and my self bought CZ 452 Americans. They are super accurate I will put mine up against any high dollar gun. Every Friday some of us meet at the range for an informal shooting session. We set up 223 and 30 cal rifle brass on top of shotgun shells on the hundred yard berm and shoot off the brass from shooting benches. My rifle has a 6-18x 50 mm scope and I can easily see the brass at 100 yds. It is still a challenge when the breeze is up or the thermals are strong. It is important to find what ammo works best in your rifle.

mcdonl
December 14, 2012, 07:49 AM
My typical weekend enjoyment is loosing quarters to old men with Tikka's and Sako's...

I shoot a pretty sweet Savage Mark II but these guys with their one holers lighten my pockets every weekend.

Cee Zee
December 14, 2012, 08:43 AM
A couple of buds and my self bought CZ 452 Americans. They are super accurate I will put mine up against any high dollar gun.

I have a CZ 453 and a Savage MkIIBTV. The Savage is more accurate but not by much. But rifles from companies like Sako, Cooper, Kimber, Anschutz, and all the classic bench rest rifles will walk off and leave a CZ. You can get great groups from a CZ or a Savage but consistency is the name of the game. That's why you almost always see Anschutz rifles in Olympic type shooting events. It has to be a good model (they make some that aren't much better than a CZ but even those are better) like a 54 series. Those rifles are much more accurate than a CZ. Sako makes incredibly accurate rifles too. Trust me I've shot against them and lost many times with my Savage and that Savage shoots really well actually. I have won my share of contests with the Savage. In fact I won about 12 out of the last 15 contests I shot in but there were no really great rifles in those contests. When my friend shows up with his Sako I know I might as well not even bother to shoot.

Those rifles certainly aren't cheap though. Still if you want the very best I'd get either a Sako or an Anschutz. A really good one will be at least $1500 and the best will run $3000 or more.

BTW that's off the shelf rifles I'm talking about. The bench rest rifles people use will shoot far better but they aren't made for plinking or hunting or carrying around for any reason. They will weigh 15 lbs. or more and they will be setup to be shot from a rest. Those are the absolute best shooters but they are limited in what they can do. Still names like Remington (with the 40X), Turbo, Hall, etc. are what the bench rest crowd starts with to build a rifle. But that will be just the action. The trigger, barrel, stock, sights, etc. will all be aftermarket parts. And it takes a truly gifted gunsmith to build a rifle of that type. It's not just a matter of slapping the parts together. For one thing everything has to be aligned perfectly. The bolt has to be exactly square with the barrel and the firing pin has to strike at just the right time and at just the right spot, etc.. There are many things that go into building a true world class rifle. Most of the top shooters try to get a rifle built by one person actually. I nearly bought one built by him myself at one time. But by the time I got the money the rifle was gone. Oh well. I bought another great rifle instead that is probably more valuable to me anyway. Putting tiny holes in paper is fun but it has a very limited use in the real world. I bought a medium-long range centerfire rifle that will make tiny groups at 500 yards instead of buying that BR rifle. I'm sure the coyotes didn't like how that worked out. And I just moved into a target rich environment too. :)

It should be pointed out that getting the most out of a rifle has a lot to do with that nut behind the stock. It takes a lot of boxes of ammo to learn how to get the most from your weapon. And the law of diminishing returns certainly comes into play. You can buy a .3", 50 yard group size rifle for maybe $350 (Savage) or you can buy a .15" rifle at the same distance for $1500. That's a lot more money for a little more accuracy. And until you learn to shoot your rifle at near it's limit you won't even notice the difference.

M-Cameron
December 14, 2012, 09:42 AM
when it comes to smallbore accuracy....out of the box you cannot beat an Anschutz.

http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?produktID=299&menu=105&sprache=1&produktShow=detail

aka108
December 14, 2012, 10:11 AM
All depends upon the size of your bonus. Under 1K I'd go for a CZ, 2 or 3 K, maybe an Anschutz. Over 10K, custom BR rifle with some Zeiss glass. Actually, the CZ will give you great performance, good bang for the buck. If I received a 20K bonus I'd get the CZ and use the rest in retirement funding.

Justin
December 14, 2012, 10:38 AM
If you seriously plan on competing in small bore silhouette, spend some time going over the rules of the game and let that guide your decision to buy.

Most forms of competition will have some stipulations about the configuration of a gun, and the last thing you want to do is to blow a chunk of serious money on a rifle that may not be allowed in official competition.

Onmilo
December 14, 2012, 11:09 AM
+1 on what Justin said.
There are a myraid of good accurate .22s on the market now, choose the one that fits you and the parameters of the type of shooting you intend to do.

Peter M. Eick
December 14, 2012, 01:21 PM
http://eickpm.com/picts/beeman400.jpg

Coming from (long ago that is) a 3 position ISU background, I would want to get something that would match with my target air rifle shown above (Beeman 400).

I have toyed with getting a real target 22, and the 1903 Anschutz would be my choice right now. They are running around $1500 the last time I looked at the CMP store.

Gregaw
December 14, 2012, 01:34 PM
The world's most accurate .22 is always the one shot by whoever just beat me. :)

R.W.Dale
December 14, 2012, 02:05 PM
I guess I should have been more specific instead of posting before I go to bed at 4am

I'm looking more at consumer grade guns lets say under $500 for the bare rifle.

I used to shoot in small bore fairly competitively with a cz ultra lux trainer (10years ago) the class I have the most fun in shoots larger targets than pure NRA smallbore. With a youngin into shooting I figure us shooting some matches will be right up his alley. However this 22 will be for me mostly for informal bench shooting. I prefer something more sporter weight with sights for the smallbore matches but I do want a heavy accurate 22 in reserve for certain matches.

Back when I was last into rimfires the cz452's were where it was at. But even a good shooting Marlin 60 could keep up if the shooter had their game on that day. I just always liked to shoot matches for fun and not take em too seriously lots of times id shoot something weird just to be fun like a m1969 trainer.

Anyways I digress. So the new savage mark series are shooting pretty good nowadays huh?




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Peter M. Eick
December 14, 2012, 02:44 PM
Gregaw,

I know that feeling. I used to get all upset when the 300s's would beat my 400 until I won the next shoot. Then I would congratulate myself for buying the 400 until the next time I lost to a 300s.

It was a never ending cycle.

M-Cameron
December 14, 2012, 03:15 PM
Anyways I digress. So the new savage mark series are shooting pretty good nowadays huh?


my main match rifle is a Savage Mk2 FTV....its had some work done to it (aftermarket stock, trigger job, lapped barrel, glass and pillar bedded).....a lot of work admittedly, but itll hold its own against just about any rifle out there and itll hold the 10 ring on the A-25 target with ease

i think my total investment into the rifle including optics comes to under $1,000.

R.W.Dale
December 14, 2012, 03:21 PM
I just stumbled on the savage fv-sr and I'm really liking what I see.






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chrome_austex
December 14, 2012, 04:25 PM
If you ever want to get into silhouette, you'll need to get a rifle that matches the rules for that game.

CZ are very nice build quality, but accuracy on average is slightly behind a Savage (or so it seems). Savages feel like they were built from spare parts from the local hardware store, but shoot well.

With $1500, I'd get an Anschutz for sure. I've owned a 3-position 1813 in the past and it really set an insanely high bar for accuracy.

Look into a Savage FV-SR next for myself. The 16" barrel is optimum for velocity out of a 22lr, and you can replace the stock with a Boyds Tacticool for $100 +$40 in parts from Savage.

R.W.Dale
December 14, 2012, 04:32 PM
We have no rifle restrictions for our local club matches other than no magnums or 17's




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Furncliff
December 14, 2012, 04:44 PM
Like any accuracy game there are levels. If you can afford an Anschutz start there. They have lots of choices, stock configurations. If the Annie is too steep to start off with try CZ, mine are way more accurate than I am.

CZ 452 this is the heavy barrel called the Varmint, this one is in a factory TH stock. I believe you can get a Klinsky stock for these.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7032/6624457237_7c396b71f7.jpg

The CZ family includes the BRNO. These can be challenging to find, because the last ones were made 30 years ago but worth the effort.

Brno #1 barreled action made in mid 1940's mated with a Klinsky stock.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8443/7985810601_542d85d7ce.jpg

Check out rimfirecentral.com

kBob
December 14, 2012, 05:22 PM
Sounds like "Ann, shoots."

Nuff said.

-kBob

DM~
December 14, 2012, 07:09 PM
Top off the shelf accuracy in a sporter, puts an Anschutz 54 actioned sporter at the top, but NULA is also at the top. Melvin makes pretty much every part except the bbl. and the trigger. (the pictured one had the safety removed)

Also, the NULA is the only LH sporter in this class...

http://fototime.com/46AC757411B3AFB/standard.jpg

The NULA sporters will shoot 2/10" groups at 50 yards... ALSO the safety isn't azzbackwards like the CZ's!!

DM

swag
December 14, 2012, 08:15 PM
+1 on the cz452 varmint, does everything well. Bit on the heavy side, but compact enough without feeling toy sized.

mr.t7024
December 14, 2012, 10:45 PM
Cee Zee said it all & then some.:) Cliff

BCRider
December 14, 2012, 11:24 PM
The nice thing about shooting in the small bore "silly-wets" event is that the targets aren't all THAT small.... although they sure look that way when looking down a shakey scope picture... :D

Although your own club doesn't follow the official rules it would be worthwhile reading them to ensure that your gun of choice fits in with the rules just in case you want to go further with this style of competition. It would be a shame to get all comfy with a given rifle only to find out that it's only useable in your club events and no where else for the properly sanctioned matches.

There's also likely a happy medium for the weight that you'll want to shoot with. I know a little added mass aids in stability. But most of the bull barrel rifles I've held get DARN muzzle heavy feeling in a hurry. And that leads to my support arm beginning to shake a little. And that leads to making it hard to hit the darn target. So like with most things in life there is likely a happy medium that will serve you better if this is the key event that you wish to persue.

In fact I can't help but think that a nice Biathalon style rifle with a scope would be a nice option for small bore sillhouette events if they are legal within those rules.

Ole Humpback
December 14, 2012, 11:34 PM
Remington Model 41 Targetmaster is in my experience the most accurate 22 ever made. They were only built from 1936-1939, so finding a good one on GB is a bit of a trick, but they are cheap going for about $250.

Another good one is the Henry Goldenboy 22WMR, its a heavy gun and the sights take some getting used to, but the bullet always goes where that barrel is pointing.

My final one is a Model 74 Winchester. I have not personally shot this one, but my Grandfather set it up with a 4x scope 50 years ago and last year he was still shooting the O out of a 6oz glass Coke bottle at 100yds.

I personally wouldn't buy any of the new 22's on the market. With the exception of my Henry, they all feel like toys in comparison to my two old 22's (1936 for my Model 41 and 1954 for my Model 74).

R.W.Dale
December 15, 2012, 12:44 AM
I used to own a mossberg m44 with a set of Lyman sights that was delightfully accurate but I just couldn't shoot it as well offhand as I could a 452 trainer.

I thought about a 22lr barrel for my encore wich would give the "real gun" feel but alas TC doesn't make em anymore.

I think the 16" bull bbl on that savage will strike a happy medium between muzzle heavy and "toy" bench fun shooting and sillouette especially after I put it in some wild colored laminated thumbhole stock




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ColtPythonElite
December 15, 2012, 12:47 AM
I would just put that Trainer in a Klinsky stock.

R.W.Dale
December 15, 2012, 12:53 AM
I would just put that Trainer in a Klinsky stock.

I no longer own it. Same too as it was one of the cz "super exclusives" with a 28" barrel

You see I'm in midst of my "rediscovering rimfire" stage as a shooter. For a long time I had the attitude that if I couldn't reload for it I didn't want it.




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BCRider
December 15, 2012, 04:47 AM
......You see I'm in midst of my "rediscovering rimfire" stage as a shooter. For a long time I had the attitude that if I couldn't reload for it I didn't want it.

Well, OK. As long as you've learned your lesson.... :D

I know that the lowly .22LR isn't a very dramatic round. But it more than makes up for it with its cheapness and availability. When I look at my own collection of guns I've got just under 50% that are .22LR rimfire. Some of that is my love for mongrel single shot "boy's rifles". But much of it is due to good accuracy at a cheap feed price.

I doubt that I ever go out for a day of shooting other than specialty events where at least a few rimfire guns do not go with me. They are good for reinforcing the basics of handgun or rifle drills. And when it all comes down to it a hole in a piece of paper or a DING! on a steel plate is a all good stuff.

Clark
December 15, 2012, 05:49 AM
There are a bunch of miserable trade offs in getting accurate 22s.

The first one is that that ammo gets wimpier and really expensive.

My favorite rifle to shoot is a .223.
I can reload a .223 for cheap.
It reaches WAY out there accurately.

So the 22LR niche for me is when there are more than 100 shots per hour and the targets are inside 75 years.

The following story is not me. I am not putting more than $500 into the scope, barrel and action for a 22.


This is a really inspiring story of 22LR accuracy.
http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/gunweek078/

I think i could afford the rifle and March scope[if I wanted to burn money], but not the orange grove.

redneck2
December 15, 2012, 07:33 AM
I suspect there is a lot of internet bravado in all the accuracy stories of off the shelf .22's. Particularly anything that is not a precision bolt action. Most guys set up a few random targets and fire away. After a dozen shots they hit it, then talk about how accurate their .22 is.

My S-I-L has a Savage target, and I have CZ 453 Varminter with the set trigger. My CZ has a 4.5x14x40 VX-3. Not a cheap rig. We've bought some rather expensive target grade ammo and shoot off a very, very solid bench. The stories of 2/10ths groups or one hole groups are just that. Maybe once in a very great while someone will shoot one lucky group.

Anyway, if you can shoot 3/4" at 50 yards you're doing pretty well. For all those guys that shoot one hole groups at 300 yards at night in a windstorm, I wanna see multiple groups on one sheet of paper.

trueg50
December 15, 2012, 08:50 AM
You should consider the Polish Wifama kbks78 rifle.

ENM sports link (http://www.enmmovers.com/kbks.html)

They are quite superb shooters, and are very nice rifles (fine triggers adjustable for sensitivity and position). Best of all the can be had for good prices on the surplus market ($250 for mine). If the sights aren't to your liking, then a thumb screw for the rear sight and front sight remove the sight and leaves a nice flat surface that blends in pretty well.

http://www.enmmovers.com/images/kbks1.jpg

DM~
December 15, 2012, 10:22 AM
The stories of 2/10ths groups or one hole groups are just that. Maybe once in a very great while someone will shoot one lucky group.


I'm the one stateing the 2/10" groups with the NULA sporter at 50 yards.

Melvin Forbes, the designer/builder of the NULA guarentee's this accuracy! I know that 99.9% of the guys here couldn't even shoot a group like that, as i use to shoot bench rest, so i know what it takes for a SHOOTER to be able to do it.

Bottom line is, the NULA sproter is capable of doing it, at least that's what Melvin told me to my face, when i was visiting him.

The few guys that i've talked to that own them, all say the same thing. It's the most accurate sporter they own, and some already own Anschutz rifles.

DM

CraigC
December 15, 2012, 11:00 AM
I would expect a NULA to shoot 0.20"@50yds. However, it is not an off the shelf rifle and it is nowhere near $500. They're a custom rifle and repeaters start at $1850. So how is that relevant if....
I'm looking more at consumer grade guns lets say under $500 for the bare rifle.

Rembrandt
December 15, 2012, 11:17 AM
Another thread wanting quality & performance on the cheap.....need to learn that money buys speed, accuracy, and quality. Don't spend the money and you're living in a fantasy world. $500 gets you a birch stock, spray painted metal, and plastic components.

chicharrones
December 15, 2012, 11:23 AM
You should consider the Polish Wifama kbks78 rifle.

ENM sports link (http://www.enmmovers.com/kbks.html)

They are quite superb shooters, and are very nice rifles (fine triggers adjustable for sensitivity and position). Best of all the can be had for good prices on the surplus market ($250 for mine). If the sights aren't to your liking, then a thumb screw for the rear sight and front sight remove the sight and leaves a nice flat surface that blends in pretty well.

http://www.enmmovers.com/images/kbks1.jpg

That's a damn fine lookin' all around .22 rifle. :cool:

CraigC
December 15, 2012, 12:05 PM
$500 gets you a birch stock, spray painted metal, and plastic components.
$350-$400 gets you at least a decent laminate and blued steel. $500 gets you Turkish walnut and blued steel. Fortunately, you don't have to spend $2000 to get an accurate, well-made rimfire. I really don't know what you're talking about. :confused:

Or you might get lucky and find something with Turkish walnut and blued steel for $350.

http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/rifles/large/IMG_7828b.jpg

ttheel
December 15, 2012, 12:46 PM
If you are trying to keep the cost down you will have a hard time doing better than a CZ for the money.

DM~
December 15, 2012, 12:54 PM
I would expect a NULA to shoot 0.20"@50yds. However, it is not an off the shelf rifle and it is nowhere near $500. They're a custom rifle and repeaters start at $1850. So how is that relevant if....

Melvin and his crew IS building them all the time and they are off the shelf when he's ahead. I didn't pay 1850 for the one i have on order.

If you don't like my post, don't read them. lol

DM

CraigC
December 15, 2012, 01:02 PM
That's about as "off the shelf" as some of the completed custom guns that Bowen or Turnbull have in stock from time to time.

Actually I find your off-topic posts about $1800 rifles in a thread about $500 rifles to be quite amusing.

Starter52
December 15, 2012, 01:04 PM
kBob, Ann-shoots or Ahn-shoots? I've always said the later, but I don't really know which is correct.

R.W.Dale
December 15, 2012, 01:05 PM
Gentleman!

While these are all nice guns a great many of them are well above my means or desire to have tied up in a 22

Even with a $250 savage I'm looking at approaching $1000 with optics and an aftermarket stock on down the road. Lets back down the price scale a bit and talk about mossbergs, rugers, cz, savage, rem, win, Browning ect




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DM~
December 15, 2012, 01:14 PM
That's about as "off the shelf" as some of the completed custom guns that Bowen or Turnbull have in stock from time to time.

Actually I find your off-topic posts about $1800 rifles in a thread about $500 rifles to be quite amusing.

Then sit back and be ammused! It's no more off topic that the folks talking Anschutz...

Then again, you are always rude and degradeing in the answers you post, to posters you don't agree with, or to any poster that doesn't think "exactly" like YOU do.

So, from now on why don't you just ignore my answers, and i'll ignore you all together, as i don't come here to put up with anyones constant rudeness...

DM

dvdcrr
December 15, 2012, 01:16 PM
Check out the savage fv-sr
Or ruger 10/22 lvt accusport

R.W.Dale
December 15, 2012, 01:24 PM
Check out the savage fv-sr
Or ruger 10/22 lvt accusport

This is the kind of suggestions I'm looking for. That lvt looks really nice and is completely new to me.

Gunblast shows some pretty nice groups.




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CraigC
December 15, 2012, 02:01 PM
My own Savage MKII is an earlier pre "E" receiver model with a laminated thumbhole stock and the Accutrigger. It easily shoots as well as my old Remington 541T and cost me only $285 used. What is extremely tempting for me is the FVT model with target sights. It comes with the flexy plastic stock but that is easily swapped for something a little more rigid from Boyd's. I already have one of their "tacticool" stocks waiting for such a project.

Cee Zee
December 15, 2012, 02:17 PM
Savage makes the FVT which comes with peep sights. A person could do well with that rifle especially if they changed the stock IMO. Again my Savage is more accurate than my CZ. And just for the record .2" groups (5 shots, 50 yards) are not at all uncommon with either of these two rifles.

BCRider
December 15, 2012, 02:50 PM
In keeping with the idea of this being a budget package and from having seen and shot my club's Jr .22 program Savage single shot rifles with peep and bull barrels I'm thinking of the following setup;


Savage Mark II blued with the cheapest stock option as you'll replace it anyway. Looking at the price of $180 from Bud's I suspect it'll be $200 to your door.
Nikon Prostaff Rimfire scope for $150 as seen on Cabelas website.
Boyd's replacement stock for Savage Mk II actions. Hunter or thumbhole as you see fit. Note that thumbhole stocks are not allowed within the OFFICIAL rules. So that might lead you towards the hunter version. Around $100.


Once you have the stuff, bed the action and free float the barrel in your new stock. Something that is easily enough done on your own if you're handy and have even a small working area. Then mount up the scope and go play.

Even with the cost for rings and bedding epoxy this project would still be under the $500 dollar limit and you'd have a darn nice looking and nice shooting setup.

CraigC
December 15, 2012, 02:58 PM
And just for the record .2" groups (5 shots, 50 yards) are not at all uncommon with either of these two rifles.
The CZ I pictured above has fired a 0.30" group at 50yds with bulk Remington. Although the average for five or six, five-shot groups was 0.49", this is stellar for a $350 rifle. Particularly one wearing a full stock and a centerfire 1-4x.

Another option to consider is that Dick's sporting good has some exclusives of their own. They have some really cool fluted barrel, olive drab stocked models that would make for a fine project. Well under $300 if I remember right. Those are tempting as well.

saenzrich
December 15, 2012, 03:21 PM
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R.W.Dale
December 15, 2012, 05:59 PM
In amongst today's Xmas shopping fun with the wifey I snuck a trip into my favorite LGS. They actually had a lvt 10/22 a fv-sr savage and a trainer cz as well as a pile of rsi 10/22's

The cz and ruger lvt were $300 ish the 10/22 was new the cz was used.

The ruger did have a great feel in the hands and of course the trainee did too.

The savage was only $209 and had several features I liked. Particularly the large bolt knob and scope mount.

The stock on the savage was understandably cheesy but barring that the rifle did have a good balance and the action had a positive feel I really liked.

Unless there's a compelling reason not to I think I'll go back n snag the savage as I feel that for what I want its just a better mousetrap in terms of groups on target. Being a Benjamin Franklin cheaper sure helps and will go towards $300 worth of optic later.




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Clark
December 15, 2012, 06:33 PM
I took a Rem 510 22LR bolt action to the range after drilling and tapping.
It was a beat up old used $60 rifle and a beat up old used $20 B&L 2.5x8 scope. The ammo was Win Power Point.

This target is 5 shots at 50 yards.
It looks really good until I tell you that there were 5 groups that target, and the other 4 groups were ~ 1".
I was having problems with parallax, and I think my errors cancelled five times. Things happen.

Bart Bobbitt has been warning for decades about not taking a single 5 shot group as meaning much. He has shot a 3.25" 20 shot group at 600y, so easy for him to say. He calls groups like mine a "wallet group".
Psychologically and emotionally, I need my wallet group.

MrBorland
December 15, 2012, 06:36 PM
My vote would be for the CZ trainer - built on the fantastic 452 action with excellent irons sights, put a good military style sling (http://prostores3.megawebservers.com/turnersling_com/-strse-Military-Gear/Categories.bok), a decent scope with QR rings, and YoDave trigger kit on it, and you've got a great all-around versatile and accurate .22LR.

Use the scope, or quickly remove it with the QR rings, and use the irons, or a BRNO front/rear aperture set (http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=32638.0), which can be installed in about a minute. Turns it into a dandy target rifle. Finally, Manners makes a tactical trainer stock (http://mannersstocks.com/mcs-news-announcements/506/)for the 452 when it's time to hot rod the rifle even further.

Captcurt
December 15, 2012, 10:38 PM
I guess I should have been more specific instead of posting before I go to bed at 4am

I'm looking more at consumer grade guns lets say under $500 for the bare rifle.





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Now you are back in the CZ price range. I have owned a Winchester 52B that would chew out a 10 shot hole at 50 yards that you could cover with a dime. My CZ 452 will do it at half price. We shot it against a Ruger 10/22 bull barrel and a Kimber and it held it's own with them. I have had the 452 in 17 Mach ll, 22lr, and 22 mag and all of them shot very well.

The Savage is a lot of gun for the money but they do not have the nice finish or wood like the CZ 's.

ole farmerbuck
December 16, 2012, 12:32 AM
I got my Savage Mark11BV out today and shot it. Nice gun. I've had it for almost a year but have only shot it about 20 rounds. I see I paid $340.00 for it. Worth looking at I think. Weather permitting,I'll try some different types of ammo in it tomorrow.

Coal Dragger
December 16, 2012, 02:41 AM
I greatly enjoy my Cooper M57 and it is exquisitely accurate even with hunting ammo, but it was not inexpensive by any stretch of the imagination.

sixgunner455
December 16, 2012, 07:43 AM
My FV is really quite a good rifle, and was very reasonably priced. I put Burris rings on it, and a Bushnell scope I had already. The Bushnell scope isn't the best, but it'll do till I get around to worrying about buying a nice scope. Probably about the same time I decide to worry about doing something about the stock. Shoots pretty good as it is.

I can only think that the FV-SR will be great, too. I was debating between an FV, FVT, FV-SR, and the CZ Ultra Lux - the Ultra Lux was just too nice and balanced, and I still think about getting one, but that really long barrel seems a bit awkward. I'm not sure it would fit in my safe! :D

When I ordered my rifle, there weren't any FV-SR in stock. If you've found one and like it, I'd just get that.

trueg50
December 16, 2012, 06:10 PM
Like I said, check on that Polish Wifama kbks78 before its gone (http://www.enmmovers.com/kbks.html)!

-Sub $500 price point ($275 shipped)
-25" heavy barrel
-Easily removable sights (the oversized knobs on the sides of the sights)
-Adjustable trigger (from "Hunting safe" to "hair target" and below)
-Superb quality wood.

http://www.enmmovers.com/images/kbks5.jpg
http://www.enmmovers.com/images/kbks4.jpg

AABEN
December 16, 2012, 06:24 PM
Pondering spending my Xmas bonus on a nice heavy barreled 22 for high accuracy shooting and possibly smallbore shillouette. Turns out I've been kinda out of the rimfire loop for awhile so please chime in on what's hot and what's not in the world of accurate 22's avalible in 2012




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Try a Savage 22

ole farmerbuck
December 16, 2012, 06:48 PM
Well I shot my Savage MK11BV with Federal gold medal and Wolf Match Extra and all I can say is I should have done this a long time ago! Some one hole five shot groups with both. The Winchester and Eley werent bad but not good.

d2wing
December 16, 2012, 10:42 PM
I was looking at some targets from past sessions and I happened across a 100 yard target I shot at using bulk ammo just for fun. 1 group was 1 1/2 inches, the other smaller, I don't recall xactly the measurement but it was with a CZ 452 UL.
I have an American that is not as good, and a Ruger with a heavy barrel a little tuning that is a little behind the American. A buddy has a Savage that shoots good too. It might come down to individual rifle and shooter as to which shoots best. My money would be on a CZ, but you could be as well off with a Savage or Marlin.

R.W.Dale
December 17, 2012, 01:02 AM
After a day of 22 shooting solo and with the kids with firearms ranging from a Baikal combination gun to a 15/22

I've decided to go snag the savage. I have a hole in my collection for a precision bolt action 22 with a scope that the savage will fill nicely.

ole farmerbuck
December 17, 2012, 07:43 AM
After a day of 22 shooting solo and with the kids with firearms ranging from a Baikal combination gun to a 15/22

I've decided to go snag the savage. I have a hole in my collection for a precision bolt action 22 with a scope that the savage will fill nicely.
I think you did fine. Enjoy it and keep us informed.

Mr.Revolverguy
December 17, 2012, 10:57 AM
Like I said, check on that Polish Wifama kbks78 before its gone (http://www.enmmovers.com/kbks.html)!

-Sub $500 price point ($275 shipped)
-25" heavy barrel
-Easily removable sights (the oversized knobs on the sides of the sights)
-Adjustable trigger (from "Hunting safe" to "hair target" and below)
-Superb quality wood.

http://www.enmmovers.com/images/kbks5.jpg
http://www.enmmovers.com/images/kbks4.jpg
Wifama 78's are awesome military trainers and one hole shooters but it is hard to get magazines as well as any parts if you break anything.

I hate answering these sort of questions because it typically only brings about so many other questions.Leaving out what's your purpose and intent of use and all the other questions most have already brought up, I believe the most import is to get something you like, will enjoy and buy the best ammo you can for it. Ammo being the key ingredient in the recipe of accurate 22.

Recently I took a custom 22 I just built and paired it with a CZ452 and a Savage Mark II TR and shot them at 50 yards from sand bag rest and at 100 yards from a sand bag rest. I had on hand boxes upon boxes of different ammo from premium eley ammo costing $25 bucks for one box to bulk ammo.

50 Yard review
http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=2384

100 Yard Review
http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=2554

Again I think there are a number of great shooters out of the box, I also believe you can get one out of the box that doesn't shoot that well and bed the action lighten the trigger etc etc to make it shoot well but it won't do that until you find the ammo it likes.

Cee Zee
December 17, 2012, 01:44 PM
I pretty much followed the path described in post #47 and it worked out quite well for me. I bought a "second" Boyd's stock from eBay and put it on my Savage MkIIFV. It was the same thumbhole stock Savage puts on their BTV models. The reason the stock was a second was purely cosmetic and I'd bet 99.9% of people would never guess why it was a second. It functions perfectly.

I pillar bedded the action and made sure my barrel was floated. I also took the time to learn the best torque settings for my rifle and the order I should take in tightening the action screws. I spent lots of time and money finding the best ammo for the rifle and worked out all the minor issues that can cause accuracy problems (like a scope that doesn't hold zero well). Now I have a rifle that is still essentially a stock rifle (only some pillar bedding keeps it from being a bone stock BTV) that shoots very accurately for a rifle in it's price range. And it does shoot better than my CZ. I also went through all the stuff needed to make that CZ as accurate as possible. But still the Savage is more accurate. I certainly don't make any claims about any rifles you might buy. Every rifle is different. Even the very best gun builders will tell you that you can't make them all work perfect or even completely consistent.

But I do think you will do very well with the Savage you chose to buy. There are a lot of positive reviews of Savage rifles in the past several years. They make great stuff for the most part. Of course there's always that chance you'll get lemon. Firearms are funny that way.

R.W.Dale
December 17, 2012, 03:18 PM
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Here it is $209 + three boxes of ammunition.

I left the gun shop and went straight to the range. Conditions for rimfire shooting was pretty poor. I shot several groups with several loads ranging from .55" with cci stingers to over 2" with cci quiet22. Not blow me away accurate but definitely a good start on a new unseasoned bbl on a windy day using a craptastic centerpoint scope I neither trust nor have any idea where I got it.

Most groups hovered in the 1" range, loads tested included federal match, cci stinger, cci quiet, win 525rd bulk and blazer.

I really like the short barrel and oversized bolt knob. The scope mount is also of a very good quality and looks a lot like an EGW marked unit. The stock is pretty cheesey and will get replaced first followed by the wal mart grade optic.

Thus far I'm pretty optimistic about my latest purchase




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CraigC
December 17, 2012, 03:30 PM
That's a really neat model. There's one at a local shop that's more than a little tempting. That does indeed look like the EGW mount. I've got the 20MOA version on mine.

Mr.Revolverguy
December 17, 2012, 03:49 PM
By the way if you have access to used and older models don't overlook them just do your research. This is a Marlin Model 81DL from 1949 According to my grandfathers receipt, which I had to make copies of because the ink is fading fast :) It has a cheap Tasco scope not sure of the history of it. What I like most about this one is it is my grandfathers and at the age of 8 he taught me how to shoot my first rifle and it is still going today and it doesn't require high dollar target ammo. As a matter of fact Eley, SK, Wolf Target it shoots all over the place. But load it up with some American Eagle 40gr red box and it does well.

http://www.dayattherange.com/weapons/Marlin81DL2.jpg
http://www.dayattherange.com/weapons/Marlin81DLsmall3.jpg
http://www.dayattherange.com/weapons/Marlin81DLsmall4.jpg

5 Shots at 50 Yards from sandbag rest on bench, the one flyer is me I am sure after all these years the trigger is still really stiff and requires 6pounds to pull.
http://www.dayattherange.com/weapons/Marlin81DLsmall1.jpg

ole farmerbuck
December 17, 2012, 08:22 PM
Good shootin Mr. Rev guy!

chicharrones
December 17, 2012, 11:26 PM
176272

Here it is $209 + three boxes of ammunition.

I left the gun shop and went straight to the range.

Thus far I'm pretty optimistic about my latest purchase



Congrats on the new rifle! I was looking into one of those myself a couple months back. :cool:

bamajoey
December 17, 2012, 11:39 PM
I was looking several years back and decided on a CZ452 American.
I replaced the stock, and couldn't be happier.

http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz212/bamajoey/IMG_7251.jpg

Best set of targets to date. (each target is 5 shots)

http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz212/bamajoey/IMG_5152.jpg

Cee Zee
December 18, 2012, 02:20 AM
Careful guys. People are going to start saying things about your integrity. ;) Nice shooting even if some say it's impossible.

sixgunner455
December 18, 2012, 03:19 AM
An accurate .22 rifle is one of the joys in life.

BCRider
December 18, 2012, 11:16 PM
I see that you jumped towards the model with the short 13 inch barrel. I have no idea what that one will do or if you "shot yourself in the foot" compared to a full length bull barrel version but it'll be fun to read about it one way or the other.

I know for a fact that Savage's bull barrels can most certainly deliver the goods. The rest are a mystery as I haven't had the chance to personally shoot any of them.

Well.... other than the Jr model single shot version. My club uses a couple of them for the smaller kids and I know from seeing the results from a few of the better small guys AND girls that the small Jr size Savages are no slouch. I've see a few targets where it was a either a "one small ragged hole" from 10 shots to something coming darn close to it. Nothing as awe inspiring as bamajoey's groups but good enough to know that the rifles are no slouch and the kids are using them well.

sixgunner455
December 19, 2012, 02:17 AM
The FV-SR has a 16" threaded barrel. The regular FV has a 22" barrel.

jodel112
December 19, 2012, 08:15 AM
t7024 you're dead right there pal, Cee Zee was spot on. I agree with everything he say's. That's the way it is.

d2wing
December 19, 2012, 09:25 PM
Good RW, sounds like you have a good start.

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