[jcwit]

Starting a new thread about this so more will possibly see this.

Guys, I have found a winner!!!!!

I have a product called Fluid Film that I use for rust proofing the undercarriage of my vehicles, works fantastic, stops rust dead, period. It was developed for the Navy as a rust proofing for ocean going ships and is basically unrefined wool grease/oil AKA lanolin.

During the above discussion I remembered the Fluid Film and this afternoon tried it. One of the hardest rounds I have to resize is .30 cal. Carbine, especially so if using a Lee Loader, the one using a mallet. This Fluid Film takes the effort right out of the resizing. Now I'm not suggesting going the route of the Lee Loader, I used it because its so much harder than using the press, and walla it works, even better than my old standby Unique Case Lube.

Fluid Film is available at John Deere dealers in spray, quarts, gallons, and 55 gal. drums. Here in my area the spray can costs approx $10.00 and is probably more than one would need for years/decades.

[Cleftwynd]

The main ingredient in Fluid Film is lanolin, same as most sizing lubricants. It is what I would use if I ever ran out of Imperial Sizing Die Wax, which is almost impossible because a small 2 oz tin does thousands of rounds...lol

[jcwit]

I have found the Fluid Film works with even less effort thsn Unique or Imperial sizing die wax. Plus you can also use it to protect your vehicles fro salt corrosion in the winter. Looks like a win, win to me. I've used it for rust protection for years, just now discovered an optional use for it.

[ranger335v]

How difficult is it to remove from the cases and fingers?

[jcwit]

Hands? Washes right off with soap & water.

Cases? I would use the same method I use for removing Unique case lube, a quick rinse in white/regular gas. Dangerous? No more so than filling your mower.

One fella over on TFL said he would use alcohol and when it got enough lube in it use it as a spray lube, might work, might not, I have no idea at this point.

[jcwit]

I should add this Fluid Film is the consistency of pudding.

[loadedround]

When I started reloading back in the mid 60's I used pure anhydrous Lanolin to size my 38 Spl and 45 ACP cases. Lanolin worked like a charm to resize but was a royal PIA to remove from the loaded cases. Lanolin is insolvent in water and the only way you could remove it was by hard wiping or certain organic solvents that I prefer not to mention here. At the time I did not own a tumbler and if I did, would probably run it all night to remove the Lanolin. Modern resizing lubes are 1000% better than pure Lanolin. Besides it rather expensive these days and hard to find. Just my two cents. :)

[rcmodel]

I used to use anhydrous Lanolin to form 25-06 cases.
I got a baby food jar of it from my pharmicest.
Still got enough left for 6 lifetimes of case forming.

Great stuff to put on cracked hands in the winter though!

But, it makes you smell like a wet sheep if thats any good to you for anything. :D

rc

[MrBorland]

I discovered Fluid Film a few months ago. The stuff's slicker'n snot on a doorknob, and about the best rust protector you'll find. Haven't thought of using it as a case lube, but I'm not surprised it works well.

[tightgroup tiger]

That's to funny!
Thanks RC, I'll be thinking about that tonight when I'm trying to go to sleep.

[SSN Vet]

I use Fluid Film on my tractor implements....works great!

Didn't know it was Lanolin...

I too am trying (with out much success) to consume a small tin of Imperial wax.

[buckbrush]

Lanolin is the major ingredient in Fluid Film and LPS 3.

[PO2Hammer]

I thought Imperial sizing wax was lanolin based.

[mikeadams]

Just for a bit of fun off-topic, lanolin is also in some mustache waxes, so imagine that "wet sheep" under your nose all day! The smell reminds me more of my grandpa's old horse barn.

Mike

[hardheart]

I ordered three pounds of anhydrous lanolin for .75/oz shipped, figured it could be used for plenty of applications.

[jcwit]

WOW! Thats $96.00 a gallon.

[hunterwinco]

WOW! this is SO wild! My stepfather turned me on to that stuff a couple of month back! The state of Maine in their infinite wisdom treats the roads with a nasty brine prior to snow storms...:cuss: It eats the crap out of the vehicles. I have since sprayed my 05 Sierra and my sons 99 Ranger with fluid film. And as someone says, man your truck does smell like wet sheep for a couple of days! I'm hoping this stuff is as good as it seems cause it is easy to apply and about as environmentally friendly as you can get (not that I really give a crap about that :evil:) I will have to try it for sizing! I have sprayed it in dry locks and lots of other things and it seems awesome. It sells for like 40.00 a gallon around here.

[1SOW]

jcwit , How would you apply it to big batches of 9x19 cases?

I've recently had two problems with WCC range cases "sticking" in a sizer-deprimer before tumbling with added Nu-Finish to make them slippery.
No plan to change my case-prep methods.

[Catpop]

I learned about Fluid Film a number of years ago and have been using it ever since. It works exceptionally well in places exposed to the elements that other lubricants tend to qickly wash off, service truck hinges, outside vices, etc. Being a commercial diver and having to work with tools underwater everyday rust is a real and constant problem so i tried it there next. I can't even hold onto the tools it works so well, so use it sparingly with wet hands! Haven't tried it on brass yet but wet hands should not be a problem in reloading----- right:rolleyes:? Good luck, catpop

[x_wrench]

But, it makes you smell like a wet sheep if thats any good to you for anything.

i wonder if coyote are attracted to that smell??? also, any idea how it might work for waterproofing on boots?

[FROGO207]

I use pure liquid lanolin applied by hand for my tough casings and it works well but is a PITA to get off unless strong solvents are used or lots of polishing applied.

If you are coyote hunting I would think slathering it all over you would bring em in with no need for a decoy.:D

[jcwit]

jcwit , How would you apply it to big batches of 9x19 cases?

I apply it with my fingers much the same as I would when using Unique. As far as removing the lube I rinse the cases in white gas aka NAPTHA, here in Amish country we can buy it at the pump. Use a little common sense, its no more dangerous than gasing up your lawn mower.

[hardheart]

WOW! Thats $96.00 a gallon.
Is that a lot for a dry ounce? No water or any liquidity to it - like vaseline, only much more viscous. Seemed better than $4 a liquid ounce from health and beauty labels. I put a dab in a spray bottle with ISO Heet to make spray lube, and it was too much. A fair amount drops out of solution quickly, and it is very milky when shaken. I think I could make a dozen gallons of liquid spray from the three lbs I got.

[rodregier]

I use lanolin dissolved in warm isopropanol as a spray lube. Once you get it to dissolve you can store and use at room temperature. Double boiler, no open flame when warming isopropanol.

Dillon spray case lube is a similar formulation.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-499272.html

Remove with dry corncob in vibratory tumbler afterwards.

[jcwit]

WOW! Thats $96.00 a gallon.

Is that a lot for a dry ounce? No water or any liquidity to it - like vaseline, only much more viscous. Seemed better than $4 a liquid ounce from health and beauty labels. I put a dab in a spray bottle with ISO Heet to make spray lube, and it was too much. A fair amount drops out of solution quickly, and it is very milky when shaken. I think I could make a dozen gallons of liquid spray from the three lbs I got.

Well yes it is to me it is. The Fluid Film I speak of is a VERY thick liquid, think of heavy oil versus grease, then go to the middle and slide towards the grease end. It pours yes, and thats about it. My cost was $29.00 this past summer. NO, there is no water in it. Plus it can be used as a rustproofing for you vehicle or whatever. That in fact was its orginal intent after all.

[hardheart]

Ah, had just seen the $10 a spray can and figured I wouldn't find better than $50 a gallon shipped like I see at most online retailers if I tried getting the liquid in bulk. Considering how far this stuff goes, I didn't see the need to buy that much. I also got this stuff so my fiance could use it, didn't think she would fancy the idea of rubbing Fluid Film on her hands :). It still smells a bit, but the container is small and not industrial.

I also saw that lanolin based products are advertised as a penetrant, anti-seize, timber sealant, electrical connector coating, cutting oil, cable pull, and treatment for leather, vinyl, plastic, and rubber. This stuff is better than Ballistol.

[jcwit]

hardheart, you don't have a John Deere dealer near you?

[hardheart]

There's one not too far. If I can get a gallon for $30, I might just give it a shot. I'm sure I can find excuses to spray it on all sorts of stuff and leave a few ounces for case lube. I'll let the little lady use the anhydrous stuff for any skin creams she cares to make.

[savanahsdad]

I use Redding case lube , and I keep a damp rag next to my press , no mess , no fumes just wipe , if I miss any lube , it will get wiped off buy the time I prime, charge, and seat the bullet,
I have used, lee lube, dillon spray lube, STP, and other stuff that others say is the best thing they have ever tried, but nothing I have tried works as good or cleans up as good as the Redding dose,

[abq87120]

I use Lee carbide dies. I've been thinking of trying just some automotive silicon spray on my cases. I use Hornaday One Shot and like it a lot. No cleaning the bullets after assembly. I know it's not needed with carbide dies but it makes them slide into the dies a whole lot easier. And I have accumulated a ton of spray silicon over the years.

Spraying loose cases gets some of the lube in the case mouth. This might affect the case's grip on the bullet. So I've been happy with spraying enough into a zip lock bag to run a little on the sides of the bag. Then dump in a handful of cases and work them through the baggie until they are lubed. The interior of the cases stay dry and I'm a happy camper. Makes finding a crimp with no set back easier.

[jcwit]

I use Lee carbide dies. I've been thinking of trying just some automotive silicon spray on my cases. I use Hornaday One Shot and like it a lot. No cleaning the bullets after assembly. I know it's not needed with carbide dies but it makes them slide into the dies a whole lot easier. And I have accumulated a ton of spray silicon over the years.

Spraying loose cases gets some of the lube in the case mouth. This might affect the case's grip on the bullet. So I've been happy with spraying enough into a zip lock bag to run a little on the sides of the bag. Then dump in a handful of cases and work them through the baggie until they are lubed. The interior of the cases stay dry and I'm a happy camper. Makes finding a crimp with no set back easier.


For a situation such as this and I believe you're referring to pistol/handgun cases I use a spray teflon put out by Blaster, Menards carries it. It dries leaving a white film which has no effect on the powder so if some gets into the case neck, no problem other than the slickness of the bullet to the case.

[Captain Capsize]

I have been using silicon spray lube, a light spray over the brass laying horizontal in a card board box works for me. It is not necessary to coat every brass, one in 5 is sufficient as it remains in the sizing die for a bit.