JC Higgins 410 bolt action model 101 Help???


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poor man
December 17, 2012, 09:50 AM
Hi yall i need some help, i think i may have got burnt :( so here goes....

i bought a JC Higgins 410 bolt action model 101 for 125.00 everything seamed smooth and in working order, UNTIL i got it home where i could fire it, it shoots great BUT the bolt "binds up" bad if you put ANY pressure on it(mostly side pressure) it has plenty of oil and glides back and forth great IF you just pull and push without a shell in front, when you pit the magazine in and try to run a shell the shells pushing up on the bolt cause it to drag/bind pretty bad(you can hear it drag) and feel it. SO any ideas on what it might be? does it need a new bolt (if i could find one) ??? thanks for any help.....

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303tom
December 17, 2012, 10:29 PM
Picture`s................

poor man
December 18, 2012, 12:07 AM
dont have any.

rcmodel
December 18, 2012, 01:39 PM
Sounds about pare for the course.

Cheap bolt-action shotguns were never known for thier smoothness.

rc

303tom
December 18, 2012, 01:47 PM
Sounds about pare for the course.

Cheap bolt-action shotguns were never known for thier smoothness.

rc
That is what I was going to say, none of my bolt action shotguns are real smooth. Christ they only usually got one locking lug & that is the bolt handle.........

poor man
December 18, 2012, 02:00 PM
well i guess i must have got a bad one then because the 12 ga i got and the 20 ga both work slick as snot with no drag at all, il just take it in somewhere and have somebody that knows what they are talking about look at it,.. thanks

Jackal
December 18, 2012, 03:38 PM
Not much can be said or speculated without pics.

303tom
December 18, 2012, 07:46 PM
Not much can be said or speculated without pics.
YEP...............

Duane M
December 18, 2012, 08:02 PM
Poor man, Do you think the problem might be in the clip. You say when you put the clip in the top shell in the clip is rubbing against the bolt? I agree with you Pal, these guns usually work pretty well. You don't have to spend a lot of money on a fancy gun to get one that works well. I had a 410 that gave me problems until I found out it was the shells causing the problem. I could and still can only use Winchester or Remington shells. If I used others, especially the Canadian brand the gun would jam. The shells were a different size. This gun was not sloppy and would not accept shells that were not perfectly the right size. This is a so called cheap gun also. A mossberg pump. I out shot many rabbit hunters with this gun. If a rabbit jumped up in front of me it was dead rabbit. I killed many rabbits that were missed by the 12 gauge shooters as well. So don't let anybody get you down. You probably will have a fine gun once you figure out the problem. Maybe take it to a gunsmith. A lot of people think they know everything but really don't know much. If you know what I mean.

303tom
December 19, 2012, 09:22 AM
I know we been discussing this JC Higgins 410 bolt action model 101 with a Mag. ie Clip, I still want to see some picture`s, because I have never seen one, all of the JC Higgins 410 bolt action model 101`s I have seen are tubular............

poor man
December 19, 2012, 10:51 AM
ok so here is a picture of the receiver, now whats wrong with it?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/shan38574/IMG_20121219_094136.jpg

poor man
December 19, 2012, 10:53 AM
i dont think its the clip because when i have the clip out it still does it, and up or down or side to side pressure on the bolt causes it to drag bad and the more pressure you apply the harder it gets,

Carl N. Brown
December 19, 2012, 11:23 AM
What part of that design keeps the bolt aligned in the receiver as it moves back and forth (aka bolt guide)? Often with inexpensive bolt guns, it is the bolt handle in a slot in the receiver (making for a long receiver in the Marlin bolt action shotguns). In the Mossberg style shotguns, with bolt handle at the rear of the bolt, some other part serves as bolt guide.

poor man
December 19, 2012, 12:41 PM
there is a spring wire sticking up in the bottom of the receiver that rides in a grove in the bottom of the bolt, the grove in the bottom of the bolt seamed to have some real sharp edges on it where it would ride against the spring wire so i took my dremel and lightly ground the edges rounded and it seams to help, im going to try it out latter, BUT i have to order one of the spring tabs that hold the clip in place because i dropped the receiver on the desk and snapped off one tab :( but i can "hold" the clip in to test fore it....

hboy35
December 19, 2012, 04:16 PM
I have a mossberg 410 bolt action that is similar to yours, except mine has the magazine built in--meaning no removable clip. However, I can pull the bolt tonight and see how it runs. If I remember correctly, there is a groove at the back of the reciever that keeps the bolt in the correct alignment as it cycles. I do not recall a wire sticking up from the bottom of the reciever. Sounds like the spring for the trigger is poking up....

will take a look at mine tonight. Will try to get a pic of mine with the bolt removed. A close in pic of yours with the bolt removed and the "mystery wire" pictured would speak volumes.

BTW, I prefer the term "less expensive" to "cheap" in describing these guns. This 410 mossberg was my first shotgun over 30 years ago, and it is my friend. May not be beautiful to some, but to me it is priceless.

303tom
December 19, 2012, 10:21 PM
This is a JC Higgins 410 bolt action model 101-25 that I picked up a while back.

hboy35
December 20, 2012, 09:24 AM
I checked, and no wire sticking up. Just the trigger. Have to pull the trigger all the way to release the bolt out the back. Mine rides on the groove over the trigger to maintain alignment. Might try removing the barreled action from the stock. Mine comes out with the removal of the bolt in the fore end--pretty simple. Might give you some insight to the wire.

poor man
December 20, 2012, 12:16 PM
here is a picture of the whole gun il have to take it apart to get a picture of the receiver


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/shan38574/410.png

303tom
December 21, 2012, 10:04 AM
Can we see what it says on the barrel, if its a 101 it should read 101-1680 or something similar, because it don`t look like my 101-25..........

rule303
December 21, 2012, 03:21 PM
That gun is the same as a Savage/Stevens 18. If you pull the action out of the stock, there is a screw on the side of the receiver that retains the bolt. Pull that out and look for galling or hardened oil deposits.

Duane M
December 21, 2012, 07:57 PM
That's a nice looking gun.

poor man
December 22, 2012, 12:24 PM
the full model number is 101.1380

303tom
December 22, 2012, 12:45 PM
the full model number is 101.1380
That is a Stevens 58C..................

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/SavageStevensSpringfieldFox-33479/Shotguns-40503/58Series-41363/58C-34126.htm

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