Pyrodex. Good,bad or Ugly?


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raa-7
December 17, 2012, 10:51 PM
I basically got into bp shooting about 6 months ago.I started shooting with Pyrodex and I remember my first shot with this substitute powder.I knew right away that I totally loved shooting cap n ball and bp shot gun as well.At first I just got a couple pounds of P and RS Pyrodex and used it.I thought it was great because thats all that was available to me at that time.Now I use the real bp which is better because it's powerful,fairly cheap,and easy to clean my revolver (NMA Remy) and the satisfaction from being able to make it.I,ve heard so many people say that Pyrodex is crap,and Pyrodex this,and Pyrodex that. So I just want to know what you all think about it and why,because when I started out shooting with my revolver,I just thought it was awesome :D but now I like the real deal better ! What do you all think about it ?Thanks for reading. -ron-

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Malachi Leviticus Blue
December 17, 2012, 11:06 PM
I bought a Lb. of Goex Black Powder with my first revolver about 25 yrs ago and my LGS still stocks it, so I've never tried Pyrodex and I've never had a complaint with the Goex.

EljaySL
December 17, 2012, 11:13 PM
I don't think anybody really prefers it but the reality for some people is that real black powder is difficult or expensive to get or there are severe legal issues with how much they can have on hand (which makes ordering online very expensive - imagine buying a pound at a time and eating the hazmat each time). I use 777 in percussion and save my limited supply of the real deal for flintlocks. And you know, I can't tell the difference. Big cloud of smoke, satisfying boom, the other people on the line want to know what it is, and I get to operate cool old guns.

That being said if I lived someplace more sensible I'd buy a case of the real deal and be done with it.

ridgerunner1965
December 17, 2012, 11:14 PM
im not a fan of pyrodex, it works to some extent but not like real black powder.it would be my first choice if i couldnt get real black.

Fiv3r
December 17, 2012, 11:19 PM
It's all I've ever had access to. I like it just fine.

wittzo
December 17, 2012, 11:25 PM
Real blackpowder tastes a lot better. :)

Fingers McGee
December 18, 2012, 12:43 AM
I'll cast my vote for ugly.

Pancho
December 18, 2012, 01:36 AM
Neither good, bad, or ugly but it is readily available so I don't have to buy it in bulk and have the added burden of storing it safely. It works in everything but my flinters

Jaymo
December 18, 2012, 01:49 AM
Pyrodex and 777 are the best I can get locally.

DurangoKid
December 18, 2012, 02:46 AM
I use 50 Lbs of BP per year. The BP distributor is only 7 miles from my house. For use in C&B revolvers I prefer the 777.;)

Hellgate
December 18, 2012, 12:43 PM
The Pyro is a little harder to ignite in the C&Bs. It likes to be compressed. No problem with BP letting off. I use Pyro mostly in BP shotshells. Sounds and behaves like BP and is cheaper.

Lunie
December 18, 2012, 01:08 PM
Pyrodex...

Somewhere between Lee Van Cleef and Eli Wallach. (Bad and Ugly, respectively.)

Logan5579
December 18, 2012, 01:26 PM
Wow, people really don't seem to like pyrodex. 777 and pyrodex are all that are available in my area because you have to store real BP in a bomb bunker if you want to sell it in your store. I did manage to get hold of half a can of goex some years ago and liked it pretty well but I really can't complain about pyrodex...that said, I do have some stuff on the way in to make my own BP (Brushhippies make your own blackpowder vid on youtube made me do it!)

alsaqr
December 18, 2012, 01:34 PM
Pyrodex is a good and consistent BP substitute. Its also inexpensive compared to some other BP substitutes. Pyrodex is somewhat dirty but not as dirty as blackpowder.

4v50 Gary
December 18, 2012, 01:59 PM
Pyrodex is better than nothing. That said, I bought it once and have kept with black powder after that. Rotten eggs > dirty socks.

mic214
December 18, 2012, 02:14 PM
I have shot both Pyrodex (RS) and regular BP (fff) in all of my BP percussion firearms and never had an issue with either one.

I did try some Pyrodex pellets (30 grains) in my Pietta New Army and my Uberti 3rd Model Dragoon. The Pietta handled them without a hitch, but I did get some ignition delay with them in my Dragoon.....

Steel Horse Rider
December 18, 2012, 02:52 PM
I am relatively new to muzzle stuffers and have only used Pyrodex RS so far. Except for a few misfires due to my lack of proper loading procedure (didn't pack it) I have been happy. I hope to make my own charcoal kiln this winter so I can follow Brushhippie's homebrew footsteps in the future though.....

mykeal
December 18, 2012, 05:50 PM
real black powder ...there are severe legal issues with how much they can have on hand
What are those severe legal issues?

Patocazador
December 18, 2012, 06:39 PM
I bought Pyrodex when it first came out because I thought it was supposed to be an improvement over BP. It failed to ignite at critical times while hunting and absorbed moisture just as bad if not worse than BP. I still have almost all of the Pyrodex I bought back then. It won't do anything now but sizzle a little. It won't go bang. I think it's BAD!

BCRider
December 18, 2012, 11:56 PM
I used some Pyrodex "P" for loading .357Mag rifle rounds for my Frontier category CAS events. So far so good as it gives me the needed fog cloud and the rifle barrel seems to swab out and clean up nicely.

EljaySL
December 19, 2012, 01:30 AM
re: legal issues. It's a California thing. http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Ammunition_and_Black_Powder

You can only have a pound at a time, which as you might imagine is a giant pain if you run flintlocks. Additionally it's gotten so difficult to sell it that in the bay area - population 6 million - there are zero stores that carry it. So you can't just pop out someplace and pick up some more without driving most of the way to Yosemite.

Busyhands94
December 19, 2012, 03:56 AM
Real black is more powerful and ignites easier, pyrodex is slightly cleaner than real black powder and more readily available.

mykeal
December 19, 2012, 08:57 AM
re: legal issues. It's a California thing.
Ok, thanks.

Lots of folks from other states (that aren't affected by CA's laws) read this forum, so it might be a good idea to be a bit more specific in the future. Most (but not all) other states regulate black powder storage requirements with fire or construction codes, and they're somewhat more liberal.

col.lemat
December 19, 2012, 02:11 PM
Also lead is an issue. All of the storm drains in southern california are marked as draining to the ocean and please don't pollute. I picked up wheel weights when riding my bicycle to work. One day a tree hugger asked me why I had them . I explained the storm drain and toxic lead lead draining to the ocean harming the fish. Oh she said thats a good idea. She asked me what do you do with the lead then? I told her that I cast it into bullets for hunting. The look on her face was priceless.

Malachi Leviticus Blue
December 19, 2012, 02:34 PM
Also lead is an issue. All of the storm drains in southern california are marked as draining to the ocean and please don't pollute. I picked up wheel weights when riding my bicycle to work. One day a tree hugger asked me why I had them . I explained the storm drain and toxic lead lead draining to the ocean harming the fish. Oh she said thats a good idea. She asked me what do you do with the lead then? I told her that I cast it into bullets for hunting. The look on her face was priceless.

I love it!
Sounds like you are a REAL Conservationalist

EljaySL
December 19, 2012, 05:33 PM
Lots of folks from other states (that aren't affected by CA's laws) read this forum, so it might be a good idea to be a bit more specific in the future. Most (but not all) other states regulate black powder storage requirements with fire or construction codes, and they're somewhat more liberal.

What? I said some folks and then made a list of potential things that might make it difficult to get real BP in different areas. I left out the details of the CA situation *because* they're not relevant to other folks, but in many areas the stuff's hard to get or people wouldn't be asking all the time where to get it...

raa-7
December 20, 2012, 10:13 PM
It would be nice if there were a place or two to get powder where I live.If I get lucky,w-mart will have the Pyrodex P or RS which I use too' and don't have to pay the fee but they only carry it around hunting season.Thats ok,I'm getting with the program,I stock up when they do carry it plus I have my own powder so I don't have to worry about it.Recently I've been using some good home made bp and I really like it,but when it comes down to it,as long as the pyrodex P or the RS (which is what I have) works in my guns then I'm a happy camper.

AABEN
December 20, 2012, 11:39 PM
I have shot Pyrodex for years in hand guns and long guns. I like the Pyrodex P best for both guns. I like 80 for my long gun the best 40 for my IN hunter 50cal hand gun.

raa-7
December 21, 2012, 11:56 AM
I went out this morning and shot my .44 with some pyrodex p and compared to the other powder I use (my home brand) it shoots the round ball accurately for my shooting.I can only compare it to my powder,but it is cleaner as far as the powder sticking to the revolver.The home made powder is just as powerful than the Pyrodex because I can feel it in the recoil and like I said it's accurate with groups of 2-2-1/2" sometimes a little more at 25 yds. And shooting with the Pyrodex p is the same and I think thats pretty accurate for an 8" barrel and my non expert hand loading with any powder :p Thanks for all the replies ! -ron-

J-Bar
December 22, 2012, 12:13 PM
I continue to be amazed at the negative attitudes some folks have towards Pyrodex. The argument about whether or not Pyrodex is more corrosive than other powders seems never ending, and I don't care because I clean my guns. Some don't like the smell of Pyrodex smoke, and I suspect many of those who say this would ignore my negative reaction to the cigarettes and cigars they smoke.

Pyrodex burns a bit cooler than "real" black powder and this leaves less plastic residue in my shotgun barrels when I use it in blackpowder shotshells for cowboy action shooting. I think it leaves a bit less residue compared to "real" blackpowder when used in centerfire cartridges. I have used Pyrodex in percussion revolvers and I think it leaves less residue there also, but I have gone to using Goex and Schuetzen in the revolvers because these powders have a lower ignition temperature and never result in the "pop-boom" delay that sometimes occurred with Pyrodex.

I have taken several deer using Pyrodex in my TC Hawken.

Pyrodex does not deserve all the animus it receives.

BHP FAN
December 22, 2012, 05:18 PM
''Pyrodex does not deserve all the animus it receives...''

Than annoying ''pop-boom'' is exactly why it does deserve all the animus it recieves. I prefer Triple Seven if I have to use a sub. No ''pop-boom'', and a bit more snap.

Logan5579
December 22, 2012, 05:25 PM
Than annoying ''pop-boom'' is exactly why it does deserve all the animus it recieves. I prefer Triple Seven if I have to use a sub. No ''pop-boom'', and a bit more snap.

Pyrodex is cheaper than 777 where I am, and there is a way around the "pop---boom" problem. One way is to use a small primer charge of something the lights easier than pyrodex, such as perhaps 1gr of 777 or 1gr of a ffffg BP for example...It is an extra step in loading but if you're a cheapskate like me its worth it to use the expensive powder in limited amounts.

Steel Horse Rider
December 22, 2012, 05:40 PM
Try opening up the flash holes of your nipples just a smidge and the pop-boom will be eliminated.

Hellgate
December 23, 2012, 12:47 AM
I found if I used a lube wad I got the pop-boom but if I didn't I was able to ram the ball more firmly onto the Pyro-P and got the boom.

OrangePwrx9
December 31, 2012, 02:45 PM
I started with Pyrodex about 17 years ago and haven't found any reason to change. I shoot RS in the large caliber rifles and P in the revolver and the squirrel guns. No problems with "pop-boom" if I use CCI #11 magnum caps on the rifles. The revolver does fine with #10 caps and doesn't need magnums.

Did buy some Goex fffg awhile back. Couldn't see any advantage to it and thought it dirtier. Since I don't swab between each shot and try to manage the fouling over a string of shots instead, the somewhat cleaner Pyrodex gives me better accuracy if I don't load too heavily.

Several here have said real black is more powerful than Pyrodex. Lyman's latest Black Powder Handbook & Loading Manual says differently if both are loaded by volume.

Besides being more available, Pyrodex is lighter for a given volume. Therefore, if loading by volume, you get more shooting out of a lb. of Pyrodex than you do a lb. of holy black.

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