44 mag load for a friend...help


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Kachok
December 20, 2012, 01:08 AM
A very good friend of mine has been asking me for months to load him some 44 mag ammo since it is crazy expensive locally. I just bought dies, brass, and some 240gr XTPs but I have ZERO experience loading it. He is an older gentleman and does not want a super hot load so I can load them on the mild side as long as they are enough for deer. I plan on loading him 100 rounds for a Christmas present. I have Longshot and Blue Dot powder for pistols but I don't think either of these is ideal for this cartrage.
The firearm is a Ruger revolver with an 8" barrel.
As always thanks for the help.

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ColtPythonElite
December 20, 2012, 01:12 AM
Blue Dot will work fine.

Kachok
December 20, 2012, 01:15 AM
Have not seen a Blue Dot load for the 44 yet, do you have any idea on charge and fps in 240gr?

ColtPythonElite
December 20, 2012, 01:20 AM
I am not near my notes or I would give you my data and chrono numbers...You should find info in any good manual, though.

Kachok
December 20, 2012, 01:34 AM
I did find a published load for 240gr and Longshot but it's max is 12gr charge which I would think to be a touch low in the density department since I load 8gr in 40 S&W. Starting load is 11gr and listed at 1249fps which is plenty potent (maybe too much so) about 70fps over factory 240gr

45_auto
December 20, 2012, 06:48 AM
Alliant gives a load of 13.7 gr of Blue Dot with A 240 gr hollowpoint at 1285 FPS in their online reloading guide here:

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/default.aspx

FROGO207
December 20, 2012, 07:28 AM
FYI the Mordern Reloading II shows a 240 grain XTP with 13.7 grains Blue Dot MAX for 1285 FPS. The MIN is 12.1 grains at 1146 FPS. I try to use H110/296 or IMR 4227 when I load my jacketed. I mostly load lead and use 240 grain SWC with 700-X as I have several kegs of it to use up. With lead there are propellants with faster velocities but I want a softish shooting target round.:)

thomis
December 20, 2012, 06:56 PM
man, if you have blue dot, use it. I love blue dot in the .44 mag AND special, .357 mag AND .38 special. my carry load in my .357 snubbie is a blue dot concoction.

check this out

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb255/jtleamer/bluedot.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb255/jtleamer/bluedot2.jpg

gamestalker
December 20, 2012, 07:38 PM
H110 is my personal favorite, but it can't be made to work as a mild or even mid range performing load.

GS

birddog
December 20, 2012, 09:02 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=19093&d=1102087473

I have a bunch of threads on THR talking about this. My load is 10.9 gr of Unique pushing a 240gr (usually MagTech) JSP. It's been my go-to load for target shooting, plinking and has taken 5 deer from 5 to 85 yards from two different hunting revolverw. When I'm hiking or archery hunting bears in Maine, it's still my favorite load. An absolute pleasure to shoot, and deadly as you could ever want.

Joel

thomis
December 20, 2012, 10:13 PM
awesome birdog. i like unique for .38 cowboy loads i never thought about it for magnum loads. i'm gonna try your recipe sooner than later

AABEN
December 20, 2012, 11:48 PM
I like ACC # 9 for L SWC 21.7 VEL 1550 for hunting and 20.0 for target shooting

paul105
December 21, 2012, 01:14 AM
Per 45_auto:

Alliant gives a load of 13.7 gr of Blue Dot with A 240 gr hollowpoint at 1285 FPS in their online reloading guide here:

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/default.aspx

Per Alliant online reloading guide:

REDUCE RIFLE AND HANDGUN CHARGE WEIGHTS BY 10% TO ESTABLISH A STARTING LOAD.
The exceptions to this are the loads listed as "target" in the 38 Special and 45 ACP data tables.

DO NOT EXCEED THE LOADS DISPLAYED ON THE SITE OR ALLIANT'S RELOADERS GUIDE.

Hornady's Fifth Edition shows the 240gr XTPs to have a muzzle velocity range from 900 to 1,800 fps.

FWIW,

Paul

zxcvbob
December 21, 2012, 01:29 AM
I've used 16.5 grains of Blue Dot with 250 grain cast bullets in .45 Colt (for a Ruger Blackhawk) and it was a very good load. Same thing should be good in .44 Magnum if you back off to 240 grain cast bullets. Might be a little harder-kicking than you want though... And this is a powder where you'd use less with jacketed bullets.

If you didn't have the powder already, I would say 12 grains of Herco with a 240 grain SWC or RNFP or WFN.

jack44
December 21, 2012, 09:20 AM
I dont buy alot of different powders so I use 2400 and unique for my 44

floydster
December 21, 2012, 10:36 AM
19.6 grs. 4227 with the 240 gr. XTP in my Super Blackhawk has been my go to hunting load, nice shooting, accurate, and deadly.

Smokeyloads

Hondo 60
December 21, 2012, 09:36 PM
Kachok - many of us here will not reload for others.
Not trying to be a jerk, but the liability & litigation just isn't worth it.
A simple mistake could cost you thousands.

Perhaps you could invite him over & teach him how to load his own.
By the way, Tite Group gives a very nice mild report.

ridgerunner1965
December 21, 2012, 11:37 PM
shotgun powder is awesum for relvolver rounds.cheap and easy to load. however just one double load will destroy a gun.if your a experienced loader then disregard this advice.i use reddot but im a old dude and it was popular in my day.

Kachok
December 22, 2012, 02:31 AM
Kachok - many of us here will not reload for others.
Not trying to be a jerk, but the liability & litigation just isn't worth it.
A simple mistake could cost you thousands.

Perhaps you could invite him over & teach him how to load his own.
By the way, Tite Group gives a very nice mild report.
I don't load anywhere near max in any firearms but my own, and even those I work up. I loaded these to the minimum starting load since he is not worried about super high performance. I will proof the load before he shoots them anyway. If that low a pressure breaks a gun it is simply defective anyway and since it has withstood hundreds of factory shots I highly doubt that is the case.

FROGO207
December 22, 2012, 08:38 AM
I also reload with some of my friends. Having them help me puts them in the loop if there were to be a problem though nothing has ever happened yet. One 9MM that would not fire due to hard primers we had purposely used to load ammo for use in a MP40, but that is another issue entirely. He should have known better than try and use +P loads in a crappy 9MM and that probably saved his pistol.:scrutiny: Does illustrate that once they walk out the door any ammo you are responsible for assembling can have anything happen to it however.:(

jwrowland77
December 22, 2012, 11:56 AM
Only folks I ever load for is my parents and in-laws. I figured it is safer that way because I know if anything goes wrong then they're not going to sue me. I did have a friend I contemplated loading for but old him he could come help. That was 8 months ago, still hasn't come by. :)

4895
December 22, 2012, 01:56 PM
I shoot Bear Creek Valley Supply moly-coated lead bullets in my .44 calibers. They run about $45/500 for a 240 grain SWC bullet and I load them with Unique. All I can say is the load is simply amazing and very powerful. No problem with extraction, excess flash, wrist pain, etc. No smoke from the lead or lube. I load about 10.0 grains of Unique with a firm roll crimp. I like the load so much, all of my .44 mag brass (110 or so) is loaded with it except for a small box of expansion rounds.

JLDickmon
December 22, 2012, 02:54 PM
Only folks I ever load for is my parents and in-laws. I figured it is safer that way because I know if anything goes wrong then they're not going to sue me. I did have a friend I contemplated loading for but old him he could come help. That was 8 months ago, still hasn't come by. :)
make them load it, with your supervision..

Patocazador
December 22, 2012, 10:12 PM
I've found H-110 and WW 296 to be the most accurate for 240 gr. bullets and give the highest velocities. Blue Dot, AA 9, and 4227 never gave me the same high velocities.

454PB
December 23, 2012, 12:18 AM
I'm another fan of Bluedot. You can reach 90% of full safe velicities, or reduce it without worry. You can't safely do that with the slow burning ball powders.

dgod
December 24, 2012, 08:18 AM
17.3 Grains will yield approx 1725fps and extremely accurate. 3" tube out to 125 yards

Kachok
December 24, 2012, 11:06 PM
17.3gr of Blue Dot?! That is quite a bit above max load, Nosler maxes out at 15gr. I loaded these to 13.7gr which should be pretty mild my 44 mag standards, but still plenty enough for deer within 50 yards. I opted for 240gr XTP bullets because they have really good reviews from hunters.

Sport45
December 24, 2012, 11:16 PM
I don't load for others either.

If I did, I'd use Trail Boss since too much powder won't fit in the case.

Black powder would be good for this too. They'd either have fun with it or they'd never ask me to load for them again. (Both good results IMHO :))

That said, several of my family members and friends shoot my reloads. But that's in my guns and usually when I'm there.

Jaxondog
December 24, 2012, 11:21 PM
Blue Dot work's well with the magnum loads. A little messy if trying to soften load's. Burn's clean near maximum but work up to it.

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