Need advice buying CZ-75


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kyron4
December 20, 2012, 10:06 AM
Looking at getting a "modern" handgun and I really like the 9 mm CZ-75 they had a Big R. All black, with black plastic grips, fixed Trittium night sights, looked like it had a 4 1/2" barrel, and held 16 rds. Price was $529 and he didn't know if it came with two mags or one. Does anyone know ? Is $529 a fair price ? Are they good dependable pistols ? The guy said he liked them more than the Beretta 92f and Glock 17. Any info. or advice would be great. -Thanks

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stonecutter2
December 20, 2012, 10:16 AM
Most everything I've read about CZ-75's are that they're pretty nice. There are many fans of the CZ-75. I have a surplus CZ-82 (9mm Mak) and the trigger pull is the best of anything I've ever handled.

Price is relative to the area it's being sold, etc. If you feel it's a fair price for what you want, go for it. You can check online prices, but keep in mind those are often cash prices (credit cards by incur an additional fee) and then you have to pay for a transfer. So try to figure the final cost of online vendors, and compare to the local price before ruling out buying locally.

viking499
December 20, 2012, 10:45 AM
They are great pistols. Check to see if they are night sites or the factory sights, which are not night sights, but a more glow type sight.

If factory new, it will come with 2 mags.

beatledog7
December 20, 2012, 10:49 AM
The CZ is a great choice for a lot of people. Whether it's a great choice for you is up to you.

Be aware that CZ-75s come in at least three different action configurations: DA/SA, DA/SA with decocker, and SA only. Make sure the one you're considering is suitable for your needs.

Godsgunman
December 20, 2012, 11:28 AM
CZs are propably my favorite guns out there. Every bit as reliable and well made as anything else on the market. I do not personally own the 75 but I do have its little brother the 2075 Rami with 3" barrel which is my everyday carry. Dead on accurate, nice trigger, easy to handle recoil, night sights, couldn't be happier. CZs customer service is top notch and here in KC. I would say if you like it go for it :).

kyron4
December 20, 2012, 11:30 AM
Will it shoot cheap WOLF steel cased ammo ?

Godsgunman
December 20, 2012, 12:27 PM
I'm personally not a huge fan of steel cased ammo, I have put some Tula through mine and it fed fine but I've never shot Wolf. I usually just grab the WWB 100 count for my range shooting. Never had any feeding issues with any HPs either.

rfwobbly
December 20, 2012, 12:49 PM
I own 3 CZ pistols and love them all. The 2 things that most new shooters always comment on is the excellent ergonomics (hand fit) and accuracy. They are renowned for their level of features, fit, and finish, often earning them the title "poor man's SIG". Prices for all models hover around $550.

While there is a gun called the 'CZ 75', that exact same action has been designed into the midget CC line ("Rami"), LEO version ("CZ75B"), military version ("P-01"), competition versions (SP-01 [both in decocker and safety models] and "Shadow"), and plastic versions ("Phantom"). Also, most of these models are available in 9x19 Luger or 40S&W. Additionally, a larger frame version in 45ACP ("CZ97"). So when doing research on the "CZ75" you need to differentiate between the '75 action' and the model by the same name.

I'd highly advise some time on the CZ web page. http://www.cz-usa.com/

• Yes, all the CZ 9mm versions are rated to shoot 9x19 +P in brass, steel or aluminum cases. Since they are manufactured in the Czech Republic, I imaging all development is done with Russian steel cased ammo.

Hope this helps!

hAkron
December 20, 2012, 12:53 PM
Are you opposed to ordering online and having it sent to an FFL to do the transfer? These guys always have great pricing on new CZ's

http://www.damascusgunshop.com/shop/

I think they also have free shipping.

Around here, the best street price for a CZ 75B is $469 + Tax. Be careful with the night sights. Most CZ 75B's have painted glow in the dark sights and not legitimate night sights.

CZ's in my opinion are amazing guns. I am more accurate with my CZ's and CZ clones than with any other gun.

Da40CalGlock27
December 20, 2012, 12:57 PM
Personally I like CZ never had one, Just online affairs:evil:

here is some link(s) to maybe help you in your decision! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgDhURHa0OQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbJPdksZfNo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeFY5WHXtME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoGaMK9Mnng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkNpi85c6Ko

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybT3wCzzB0M

BP Hunter
December 20, 2012, 01:52 PM
Have you handled one? If you haven't, once you hold one you will realize how much you want one. The CZ75 fullsize handgun is one of the most naturally pointing and comfortable gun I have handled. It shoots equally well. It comes with 2 magazines. If you can get one, then get one. You will not regret it.

hq
December 20, 2012, 02:30 PM
I also want to remind you about a slightly unusual CZ variation, the Jericho. I'm not sure what the current name is ("Baby Eagle", "Uzi Eagle", seen a few) but a few years ago, after a bit of research, I ended up with a semi-compact metal frame Jericho instead of CZ, Tanfoglio/EAA and others.

The only real downside is that it looks a bit different as I like CZ looks, but fit and finish are great, it's more accurate than I am and a very viable alternative to anyone looking for a CZ. Not for everybody, though; the looks, childish names that try to make artificial associations with Desert Eagle and slight incompatibilities with CZ75 accessories may well be a deal breaker.

Pilot
December 20, 2012, 02:37 PM
I've had the CZ-75B, and 75D PCR (lightweight, compact 9MM) with the excellent .22LR Kadet Kit conversion unit for many years, and they are among my favorite pistols. Accurate, reliable, well made, and a good value.

FIVETWOSEVEN
December 20, 2012, 02:45 PM
I got a brand new CZ75B a few days ago in a trade by trading my used XD-40. I had that XD for quite some time and don't miss it one bit now that I have my CZ. If it's a B or Pre-B CZ75 than it has just a safety allowing you to be able to carry it cocked and locked or hammer down. I carry mine hammer down. Not because I think it's unsafe but because I wanted to try something new since my last guns were all single action and I've come to like it better. I don't notice a difference in trigger pulls when firing fast. I've seen some people claim it's a "dangerous stunt" to try and decock one but with my thumb in the way, I don't see it. They are solid guns and I think this one is here to stay for good at my side. :)

Furncliff
December 20, 2012, 03:19 PM
CZ 75b ... Mine's accurate and reliable. It has never failed to shoot anything I loaded it with including all the Wolf ammo. The Kadet .22LR conversion is a very worth while addition, mine has better sights on it than the 9mm upper I have. The change over takes 15 seconds and this set up is a good way to transition new pistol shooter from rim fire to center fire.

I like everything but the trigger. That being said I've had it about ten years and haven't sent it away to be massaged, so it can't be that bad.

FIVETWOSEVEN
December 20, 2012, 03:23 PM
I will admit that mine did choke once when my fiancee was shooting it but the round it was feeding was heavily tarnished and had quite a bit of rust on it. The ammo I got in the trade was in varying condition but the only malfunction was on the worst round in the lot. Everything else that was mostly JHPs functioned perfectly.

jmr40
December 20, 2012, 03:31 PM
Looking at getting a "modern" handgun

CZ pistols are an almost 40 year old design that was never very popular. They have a small, but vocal cult like following. I've owned and shot several. I'm not part of the cult.

Are they good dependable pistols ? They tend to be more accurate on average than many comparable guns. If you want a handgun for range and target use I think they are a good choice for the money. While not unreliable, there are better, more modern choices in about the same price range that would be a better choice if you want a gun for personal protection.

Pilot
December 20, 2012, 06:24 PM
CZ pistols are an almost 40 year old design that was never very popular.

Actually the major elements of the design are over 100 years old, but so is the design of Glocks, Sigs, HK, XD's, M&P, Hi Power, etc. The Browning short recoil, tilting block design is in all of them, not just the CZ.

The design is the single most popular semi-auto, handgun design in the world, and has been, and probably will be for a very long time.

JTQ
December 20, 2012, 06:44 PM
As mentioned, the CZ 75, and variants, feel very good in the hand, but make sure all the controls are easy for you to operate.

There is no pistol I want to like more, since they seem well built and are comfortable, but the major controls are just beyond the comfortable reach of my fingers.

In double action mode, the reach to the trigger is very long. I can barely get the pad of my finger to the trigger.

In single action mode, the reach to the thumb safety is at the outer reaches of my thumb and the pivot point and shape make deactivating the thumb safety difficult for me.

I haven't handled a single action version with their flat trigger and larger shelf type thumb safeties, but they seem as if they would be better. The polymer "Phantom" model does seem to fit me better.

Roadking Rider
December 20, 2012, 06:52 PM
I have three CZ's
First I bought the 75b which only made me want to buy another CZ. Then I ran across a very nice CZ82 which has become one of my favorite pistols of all time. Then yesterday I walked into my favorite gun shop and went to the same used gun cabinet where I got the CZ82,and was more than suprised to see a slightly used 2011 CZ PO-1 for $399 with case and a extra 14 round mag. I just could not leave that GS without it for that price, especially not knowing how much longer the 14 round version will be available. Cz's are the only brand of gun that I own more then one. I own quite a few brands but the Cz's just seem to work for me. I've never had a problem with any of them and there all very nice shooting pistols. Not even the Cz 82 that was made over 30 years ago has ever had the slightest problem.

BlindJustice
December 20, 2012, 06:54 PM
I have the standard CZ 75B in 9mm Luger/Parabellum. The CZ 75 came out in 1975 ( duh ) For the first years it was difficult to get a hold of. but
with the fall of the Iron Curtain, they began to be imported in the early '90s.
I think Springfield Armory made a copy prior to that called the P9. The "B"
suffix, is the firing pin block added in mid '92.

The Standard 75B has a frame mounted LH thumb safety soitcan be carried 'cocked & locked" like the SA only 1911. Manually dropping the hammer makes it Double Action fo the first shot, and Single Action for
subsequent shots.

My 75B came with two magazines ( CZ prices em at $48? each )
the Mag. capacity for mine is 14 CZ specs it as 15 but perhaps
they mean 14 + 1 in the chamber. At the range I usually just load
10 rds into the mag. My carry load is the Double Tap 147 gr. +P @
1,100 fps and 12 rds in the magazine.

Uber reliable, accurate and easy to field strip. It fits my hand
with the curved back of the grip.

R-

powder
December 20, 2012, 07:44 PM
Picked up a Compact from the classies here, great shooter...

chris in va
December 20, 2012, 08:44 PM
I've had a 75bd for nine years. It survived the 'cut' many times. Well balanced, accurate, ergonomic.

This year I had the opportunity to try a P01 again. The magazine now has a curved rubber pad which corrects a glaring flaw with the earlier versions. I liked it so much my 75 got sold to fund it.

The 75 you saw should have two 16rd magazines. If you decide to get more just buy the MecGar mags. They have stronger springs for better feeding reliability.

Walt Sherrill
December 20, 2012, 10:28 PM
Hooray! jmr40's back. For those of you new to THR or CZ threads, jmr40 takes pot shots at CZs frequently. He has tempered his comments, here, however -- they're not nearly as critical as in prior responses.

CZ pistols are an almost 40 year old design that was never very popular. They have a small, but vocal cult like following. I've owned and shot several. I'm not part of the cult.

It may be a 40-year old design, but the Glock, is just 6 years younger, and nobody calls the Glock obsolete. And then there's the stinky old 1911, which has been production for over 100 years, and more companies and custom builders build them today than back when... Just because it's old doesn't make it bad!

As to popularity: for the first 15+ years of the CZ-75's existence -- until the the fall of the Communist Bloc in '91 -- exports from the Communist Block were embargoed in the West. It was very, very difficult for a Westerner to buy one. (You could get them in Canada and West Germany, and that was about it.) I like CZs. I've had a bunch of them. I like other guns, too.

Cult following? At the rate their popularity is growing -- they are much more popular today than they were just a few years ago -- that cult may soon become a major denomination...

JohnKSa
December 20, 2012, 10:47 PM
Will it shoot cheap WOLF steel cased ammo ?Extraction is not a strong point of the CZ-75 design. Mine doesn't even like aluminum cased Blazer ammo.

http://www.czforum.com/index.php?topic=589.0

Dear Sir,
Thank you for using the CZ 75B pistol made by Ceska zbrojovka a.s., Uherský Brod.

1. I can inform you that you can shoot steel case 9 mm cartridges, but from time to time there is some possibility of of failures. As the damaging of extractor is concerned I can let you know that we do not have with this any experience particularly regarding the CZ 75B pistol model.
2. Using NATO cartridges of +P or +P+ type may not cause problems, but generally we do not recommend it as these cartridges generally reduce the service life of the barrel and of the whole pistol as such putting some higher stress on some parts.
I am also pleased to inform you that our customers in the USA are cared and served by our subsidiary located there. All contacts and information is available at this company website at: www.cz-usa.com

Yours faithfully,


MILAN KUBELE
MARKETING

ČESKÁ ZBROJOVKA A.S.
SVATOPLUKA ČECHA 1283
688 27 UHERSKÝ BROD, CZECH REPUBLIC
Fax : +420 572 633 811
Mail : INFO@CZUB.CZ
WWW.CZUB.CZ <http://www.czub.cz/>

AABEN
December 20, 2012, 11:04 PM
That is a good price if it has been taken care of.

f4t9r
December 20, 2012, 11:24 PM
Good price and a great pistol

paradox998
December 20, 2012, 11:45 PM
CB-75B's are great handguns. Mine points naturally and is very reliable. Consider the Kadet adapter. It is the most reliable and accurate 22 I own.

316SS
December 21, 2012, 01:59 AM
Hooray! jmr40's back.

As soon as I read the thread title I thought I wonder if jmr40 will chime in.

Well I don't consider myself particularly vocal or cultish but I own a CZ-75B SA that has been flawless and I am very happy with it. Maybe I'm under the voodoo spell. Or maybe the CZ-75B is just a quality gun with a well-deserved reputation for excellent ergonomics and accuracy. It was not practical for me to handle one prior to purchasing, so I bought one sight unseen after passing on a used Hi-Power. No disrespect to Hi-Powers, I want one and will own one someday but I haven't regretted my decision yet.

YMMV

T2K
December 21, 2012, 02:45 AM
Rather than start a new post here, this one seems topical.

What is the difference between these two CZ pistols I am considering bidding on:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=323065050

and

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322410590

They are listed as having nearly the same mag capacity, barrel length and weight. One looks a little more compact than the other, but that could just be the photos.

Thanks for any advice.

FIVETWOSEVEN
December 21, 2012, 03:26 AM
CZ pistols are an almost 40 year old design that was never very popular.

Maybe in the US but how many countries build their own clone or copy of the CZ75?

Sam Cade
December 21, 2012, 03:39 AM
Maybe in the US but how many countries build their own clone or copy of the CZ75?



Stolen from the CZ forum:

CZ Pattern Pistol Makers


Chile

www.famae.cl/

www.famae.cl/sala_pistolas.php

Czech Republic

www.czub.cz

www.czstrakonice.cz

Israel

www.imi-israel.com

www.bultransmark.com/index2.htm

Italy

www.renatogamba.it/catalogue/index.html

www.tanfoglio.it

Peoples Republic of China

www.norinco.com

Philippines

www.armscor.com.ph

Romania

www.romarm.ro <CZ clone dropped in favor of a cloned Sig 2022.

Switzerland

www.sphinxarms.com

www.asai-ag.ch/default.html

Turkey

www.canik55.com

www.sarsilmaz.com

Ukraine

www.fort.vn.ua

United States

www.armalite.com
(US importer for Sarsilmaz)

www.cz-usa.com
(US importer for CZ-UB)

www.eaacorp.com
(US importer for Tanfoglio)

Note the following:

1. Several of the above makers are selling guns made largely or in part by Tanfoglio.

It would be fascinating to have production numbers.

777TRUTH
December 21, 2012, 05:41 AM
What is the difference between these two CZ pistols I am considering bidding on:

They are both listed for sale as CZ P-01.

The seller in Lincolnshire, IL incorrectly shows a picture of a CZ SP-01 which is a full size gun vs the P-01 which is a compact.

Keep in mind that MSRP for a CZ P-01 is $608.00 when bidding. Source: CLICK HERE (http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-p01/)

viking499
December 21, 2012, 11:04 AM
T2K, are you looking for a P01 or SP01?

T2K
December 21, 2012, 11:25 AM
I'm looking for a P-01. So, it seems both auctions are for a P-01 but one has pics of an SP-01?

777TRUTH
December 22, 2012, 07:04 AM
I'm looking for a P-01. So, it seems both auctions are for a P-01 but one has pics of an SP-01?

That is correct. Just verify with the seller that he is indeed selling the P-01.

JShirley
December 22, 2012, 11:42 AM
I have 2 Cz-75s.

Good, ergonomic, accurate, dependable pieces. Only complaint is that sights could be slightly (20%?) larger.

John

Storm
December 22, 2012, 01:05 PM
I'm sure that some of us recall way back when before the Wall fell when a CZ 75 was a rare great prize that only came with parting with some big bucks.

My CZ 75 (variant) is the Phantom which I consider to be the epitome of 9mm service/duty pistols.

1 old 0311-1
December 22, 2012, 01:05 PM
• Yes, all the CZ 9mm versions are rated to shoot 9x19 +P in brass, steel or aluminum cases. Since they are manufactured in the Czech Republic, I imaging all development is done with Russian steel cased ammo.



Actually CZ's are tested with S&B ammo, that's what their test targets say.

Calhoun
December 22, 2012, 01:48 PM
I have a 75B that has thousands and thousands of rounds through it. I have yet to come across any particular ammo that does not feed. Like any gun, there are some that are more accurate than others. There have been several times that I have gone a thousand rounds between cleanings. The thing runs like a tank, points like a dream, and (for me) is the most accurate pistol I have shot. Even compared to my old USP 45 and 1911 (both of which are now gone, but the CZ remains).

I would jump on it. If you decide you don't like it you can always re-sell it and probably not take that much of a hit.

Walt Sherrill
December 22, 2012, 04:49 PM
Actually CZ's are tested with S&B ammo, that's what their test targets say.

According to folks on the CZ-FORUM, and folks responding THERE who work for CZUB in Europe, the CZ-75 was DESIGNED around the Sellier & Bellot 124 gr. round. Some feel the 124 gr. round works best. (I've never noticed that much difference.)

Roadking Rider
December 22, 2012, 09:45 PM
I own three CZ's The first one I bought was the 75b, that lead me to the CZ 82 and my latest CZ PO-1. All three are great pistols. $529 for a new 75b sounds about right.

dgod
December 24, 2012, 07:24 AM
I have the CZ75 and Baretta 92FS, I prefer the CZ over the Baretta, but it is personal Taste. There are a lot of people that think the other way, but when I took my CC course, I took the CZ, even the range guy questioned it. I said it will be fine. After i shot 1.5 ich groups, he left me alone.

Great weapon

raytracer
December 24, 2012, 10:23 AM
Just like all guns, the best you can do is try and shoot one. If you end up buying one unfired, they are quite popular so you won't have trouble reselling it.

I really like them - they are the only double stack that feels good to me as a long time 1911 shooter. I just switched to a 75 compact for my EDC.

You might also be interested in Jeff Cooper's opinion - he considered it the only DA/SA (aka "crunch'n'ticker") gun worth shooting.

Due to the large number of factory configurations, CZs can be pretty heavily customized without running afoul of equipment rules in various competitive disciplines. As it happens, they have become one of the most popular guns for IPSC in Europe, and are gaining a lot of ground in USPSA and IDPA.

They are very popular with foreign military and police, and as you can see above, are have more variants and clones, licensed and other, than any about pattern than the 1911.

As has been pointed out it's based on the same Browning design that every other common semi-auto pistol uses to this day, but it has a unique slide to frame configuration: on the CZ, the slide rides inside the frame. A lot of people claim this increases accuracy and reliability. I don't know about that, but it definitely gives it a very stout construction. It can also make charging and administrative manipulation of the gun a little more challenging.

My summary: they're built like tanks, very reliable and inherently accurate. I find them visually appealing, especially the non-rail models. Most importantly, I trust my life to one every day.

Joe

Roadking Rider
December 24, 2012, 12:09 PM
Here's something that might interest you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_75

9 fingers
December 25, 2012, 04:39 PM
I have a 75b and think it is superb, great fit and feel, low recoil, great accuracy and very nicely made. Think I paid $458 on a Gunbroker But It Now listing last year, a bargain. But I am one of those CZ "cult" members as I also have 9 of their rifles. Maybe it is because they are really good?
9 fingers

meanmrmustard
December 25, 2012, 04:44 PM
Will it shoot cheap WOLF steel cased ammo ?
Yup.

chris in va
December 25, 2012, 04:52 PM
Actually CZ's are tested with S&B ammo, that's what their test targets say.

...which was steel cased until a few years ago. S&B dated earlier than 2008 sticks to the magnet I have to run through my range brass.

I find the stuff to have more recoil than with comparable domestic range ammo. Now that I have a chrono I'd like to find out just how hot they are.

Walt Sherrill
December 26, 2012, 12:08 AM
...which was steel cased until a few years ago. S&B dated earlier than 2008 sticks to the magnet I have to run through my range brass.

That's really surprising. I've been using S&B fairly regularly since 1998 or so, and I've never encountered any steel-cased ammo from that firm. (That doesn't mean that S&B hasn't made or sold steel-cased ammo, but simply that it's never been available from the places where I buy ammo.)

I wonder if you got hold of something from S&B that was a bit out of the ordinary?

Friends who reload -- I don't -- have always been happy to use my spent S&B cases.

tekarra
December 26, 2012, 11:59 AM
I first shot S&B in the 80s and it was brass. Not saying they never made steel case though.

JohnKSa
December 29, 2012, 03:30 AM
...which was steel cased until a few years ago.As mentioned, they may have made some steel-cased ammo at some point, but I've shot S&B for many years--at least back into the early 1990s--and never run across any that was steel-cased.

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