AR-7 info/pic thread!


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CoyoteSix
December 22, 2012, 02:13 AM
Hey all, so I don't own one but I think the AR-7 just looks AWESOME! :D:D

I'd love to hear some info as to how it compares to a Marlin or Ruger .22lr rifle.

I'd also love to see some pics of those cool little rifles!

Let's see'em THR!

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oldpapps
December 22, 2012, 05:57 PM
I saved up my pennies and bought one in 1963. I was running the river a lot and didn't want to loose the 22 pump that my grandfather had given me. The AR7 was perfect.
One thing I remember about it that I didn't like was trying to adjust the rear peep sight. Loosen the screw, wiggle a tab of metal about, tighten the screw and try again. After getting it set, I never touched it again.
One winter in Montana the plastic butt cap split. I drove the 118 miles to Great Falls and went into a store called 'The Paris'. Don't know if it still exists. Down in the sporting good area I ask the man behind the counter and he took off for too long. When he came back he had a replacement butt cap for the AR7, but I had talked myself into buying a S&W Model 28 with 6 inch barrel. $86 bucks, that was an expensive trip.

For comparison with a Marlin or Ruger 22, well I have had some over the years and like some or most of them but the little AR7 holds a soft spot in my heart.

VA27
December 24, 2012, 04:56 PM
I've had three over the years. An original Armalite, a Charter Arms and a new (this year) Henry. The two early ones were accurate and reliable and I wish I'd kept the Armalite.

The new Henry is well made and is also accurate and reliable. The stock is slightly beefier than the older guns and has room for two spare mags in addition to the mag in the gun.

The only nit I have to pick is that the plastic front sight is easy to move with finger pressure, so you need to mark or glue it after your initial sight-in.

Justin
December 24, 2012, 05:06 PM
Years ago, a friend of mine traded a Ruger 10/22 for one of those things.

It jammed.

A lot.

Just get a 10/22 and be done with it.

jmorris
December 24, 2012, 05:53 PM
The Charter arms version had a lot of problems. The new Henry version is reliable. While they are light and self contained, they still have a crummy trigger.


http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/qvideo/gn/camp.jpg

Justin
December 24, 2012, 07:12 PM
Is that a Tactical Solutions Cascade?

bigfatdave
December 24, 2012, 07:17 PM
I have the Henry version
It works and is surprisingly precise

Trigger like a staple gun, though

MAUSER88
December 24, 2012, 07:24 PM
I've owned a couple of the Charter Arms versions in the 70's and 80's Neither of them were reliable. Tried lots of different ammo but they still jammed almost once a mag.

Got red of them both and never looked back.

jeepnik
December 24, 2012, 07:58 PM
I've had a CA version since the late 70's or early 80's. Relaible, once I found it's ammo preference. Resaonably accurate.

For over two decades it was my Jeep gun, until an incident convinced me I needed a little more horsepower.

I still keep it in my emegency backpack that I toss in my pickup when I head out.

Just for comparison. Here's the AR-7 with it's replacement.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f271/Jeepnik/GUNS/JEEPGUNS5.jpg

Jon Coppenbarger
December 24, 2012, 08:01 PM
I have a multi colored stock late 60's armalite ar7

chris in va
December 24, 2012, 08:14 PM
I had one, jammed constantly. Sounded really weird, like someone thumping a drum. Pretty much pointless IMO.

SharpsDressedMan
December 24, 2012, 08:43 PM
I've owned four original Costa Mesa Armalite AR7's. I never bothered with the Charters or later, as the reputation of, and experience with, the originals, has always been first rate. I have given two as gifts to relatives, and keep my early brown stocked one on display with my 007/Bond stuff. The other one is a work in progress, as some fool ground off the rear peep for some reason (but the price was right at the gunshow). Never had a problem with any of them, and shoot 5-6" groups at 50 yards, which I think is pretty good. ........................................................ http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC06116.jpg

Eureka40
December 24, 2012, 10:35 PM
I bought one of the new Henry's earlier this year. Like another poster above said, the front sight is a plastic blade that is pretty much useless. It did jam a few times also. Long story short, after a few trips to the range with it, I sold it and wondered, why didn't I just get a 10-22.

I think it was the novelty effect that suckered me in. So, my advise is pass on this and just get a 10-22 unless you can find one of the original Armalites.

GCBurner
December 24, 2012, 11:10 PM
I had the Charter Arms version. It functioned well enough, with the right ammo, but the sights were by-guess-and-by-gosh trial an error, with no way to get a repeatable setting. A 6" group at 50 yards sounds about right; it was in no way accurate enough for use as a "survival" gun for hunting small game. The Marlin Papoose is a much better choice, if you want a compact, but accurate, camping rifle.

CoyoteSix
December 24, 2012, 11:41 PM
So they are really THAT bad! *Newer ones anyway*.

Oh well, second 10/22 is getting slapped on the wish list.! *Or maybe that 22/45 I've been craving :evil:

BCCL
December 24, 2012, 11:53 PM
I had a Charter Arms version back in the 90's, was accurate and fairly reliable with the factory metal magazines, but I bought a couple of the Ramline 25rd magazines and it hated them, constant jams.

Okiegunner
December 25, 2012, 12:17 AM
I bought the Charter Arms "pistol" version NIB in the spring of 1981. It always reminded me of a broonhandle Mauser.

jmorris
December 25, 2012, 01:24 AM
Is that a Tactical Solutions Cascade?


No, it's a GA Checkmate.

bigfatdave
December 25, 2012, 02:23 AM
So they are really THAT bad! *Newer ones anyway*.Mine runs great, using Henry magazines and HV ammo.

If Eureka40 had trouble and didn't contact HRA to resolve it or do any troubleshooting on his/her own, I don't know how much you should read into the "review".

Go check out the endless threads on RFC about the Henry survival rifle if you want a lot of reviews. Henry generally makes guns that work on the first try, and will rectify any problems with the guns as they age or if there is a rare manufacturing defect.

Isaac-1
December 25, 2012, 04:20 AM
It would certainly be nice if Henry were to update the design, at least use better more modern plastic, maybe add a rail mount for modern optics to the top, etc.

Onmilo
December 25, 2012, 05:50 AM
I had an Armalite, a Charter Arms, and a Henry Survival version.
Every single one was junk I would not trust to operate under survival conditions.

VA27
December 25, 2012, 04:04 PM
It would certainly be nice if Henry were to update the design, at least use better more modern plastic, maybe add a rail mount for modern optics to the top, etc.

You haven't seen the new one? Henry re-did the tooling and the reciever has a rail on top. The stock is beefier and is poly instead of styrene. It's WAY better than the late Charter/early US/Henry guns.

Isaac-1
December 25, 2012, 06:20 PM
No I had not looked at the recent ones, just the announcement when they said they would start producing them and I think it had a photo of the old style

SharpsDressedMan
December 25, 2012, 07:02 PM
For what it is designed to do, that 5-6" at 50 translates to 2-3" at 25, and that is "rabbit accurate". In a survival setting, SEEING a rabbit in the wild beyond 25 yards is not easy (unless there is snow, and the rabbit is another color). If I were a downed pilot, I'd be real sparing of my ammo, and wait for a close, insured shot. Same with defense against an armed enemy. Stealth, stalking, and a close range shot to the noggin. Then you can use HIS gun...............

jmorris
December 25, 2012, 08:49 PM
I don't collect take down guns for survival but the only thing I would rather have than a Savage 24 would be a sat phone or a Zebco 202...

bigfatdave
December 25, 2012, 09:26 PM
It would certainly be nice if Henry were to update the design, at least use better more modern plastic, maybe add a rail mount for modern optics to the top, etc.
you mean like how Henry updated the magazine design, recoil spring assembly, stock, and added a rail to mount an optic?

seriously, you just described the Henry US Survival Rifle

gazpacho
December 26, 2012, 06:06 AM
I understand the reasoning behind the new plastic front sight. It's designed to be finger adjustable for windage out in the field. The rear sight adjustment is a pain. The problem is that the front sight is so loose that it is conceivable that the sight could be completely knocked off of the barrel and lost. It is that loose. The accuracy of the sights on the AR-7 have never been a strong point.

However . . .

I happen to have an Armson OEG Max Duty .22 sight

http://armsonusa.com/armaxdut22si.html

I bolted it onto the rifle, and it works quite well. The new design functions fine. Packed up, it holds 24 rounds total in 3 magazines. Bolting the OEG on gives me a usable sight, and it only takes 3 or 4 rounds to zero in at 25 yards.

The AR-7 will never give the quick assembly and accuracy that the Marlin Papoose or the 10/22TD will, because both of those guns have both sights mounted only on the barrel. What the AR-7 does give you is a tight packing 22 rifle that can float and resist water intrusion when stowed. It is a compromise rifle suited to survival situations.

A better choice for a packable survival weapon might be the M6 Scout. Unfortunately, it is no longer manufactured.

jmorris
December 26, 2012, 10:25 AM
The AR-7 will never give the quick assembly and accuracy that the Marlin Papoose or the 10/22TD will, because both of those guns have both sights mounted only on the barrel. The Browning 22 is the same and has a built in tube mag, so it can't be lost.



A better choice for a packable survival weapon might be the M6 Scout. Unfortunately, it is no longer manufactured.

I have one of them too, you would be glad to have the shotgun barrel underneath as they make an AR7 look like a benchrest rifle. You can go through 10 rounds before hitting an 8" steel plate at 60 yds.

gazpacho
December 26, 2012, 07:57 PM
I wouldn't even bother using the 410 barrel at 60 yards. I had the rear sight milled off of mine, then mounted a short picatinny rail. Then I mounted a Marbles sight on the rail. By a happy coincidence, the 22lr barrel and the 410 with 000-Buck converge at about 25 yards.

The M6 Scout is a short range survival rifle.

I forgot about the Browning. It is a good rifle too. And Taurus had a series of takedown pumps and semi-autos that are also good.

Carl N. Brown
December 27, 2012, 11:47 AM
The rail on the Henry Survival Rifles I have seen has been the Weaver Tip-Off 3/8" rail standard for .22 rimfires. Charter sold an add-on mount that used the action side plate screw.


Reliablilty problems with the AR-7 are usually magazine problems.

The feed ramp is a sheet metal tab at the front of the magazine, that is both user adjustable and can be accidentally bent.

The notch in the back of the magazine for the magazine catch will usually be worn in used examples, allowing magazine to sit too low so the nose of the bullet may hit the barrel below the chamber.

To keep the cartridge from popping out of the magazine and the bullet striking the barrel above the chamber, the older magazines had two pinches to hold cartridge as it fed; old magazines will be a bit sprung in this area. Replacement magazines for the later Charter and the Henry have a external spring to solve that problem.

Usually though an AR-7 will run well with a proper magazine and roundnose, high velocity .22 LR ammo

mac66
December 27, 2012, 05:02 PM
I've had one for 30 years. It is kind of niche gun and is cool in it's own way. Mine is reliable with the right magazine and ammo. Here's tip, the plastic stock that it stores in is very bulky/fat. It is not very conducive for back packing etc. Ditch it and make or buy an aftermarket folding or detachable stock for it. Not only will it be lighter but more convenient to pack away.

charlie fox
December 27, 2012, 05:30 PM
I had a Charter Arms model I bought in 1984. It digested several thousand rounds without a bobble. I repainted it in 1990 and just passed it down to my son; I'm sure it will chug along for many tears to come!

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