[lue_119]

hi i recently got myself an ak-47 and im looking at putting some dress up on her make her stand out a lil more ;) lol but anyway there that pin up by the muzzle break that holds it there well mine dont wanna retract inside the site to let me take this blank lug off i heard they welded some of them but i dont believe mine is i can see a space so but any help would be amazing cause i really dk what to do lol my first ak im learning all sorts of new stuff with it already lol and incase ya need to know its a chinese made norinco nhm91 imported to cali im guessing cause its stamped csi ont ca buut any help would be apprecieated :)

[Jenrick]

If the muzzle brake is welded on you, you'll see an external weld somewhere around the perimeter of the brake itself. The pin should still retract without a problem even if it is welded. Chances are that the pin is just grimmed in place, set the rifle on it's butt, put a few drop of penetrating oil on the pin and let it set overnight. Give it a few solid taps with a punch and hammer and see if it's loosened any.

-Jenrick

[Rob G]

I'd try the penetrating oil like Jenrick said first. However if there's any cosmoline or something similiar in there the oil might not work. I've heard of people heating up the sight base before and watching oil just run out of them after which they moved just fine.

[Inebriated]

I'd do what Jenrick suggested, and if that doesn't work, then go with what Rob G suggested. If you're feelin froggy, then you can do what Rob G suggested, THEN what Jenrick suggested.

[lue_119]

alright i have to give all that a try ill let ya no how it goes thanks!

[lue_119]

and as far as heating it up how hot?? cause wont heating it up too much affect the barrel and the rifling?

[Inebriated]

If it's cosmoline, just sitting in the sunlight in summer will make it seep out of wood... I'd get a heat gun and just run it until the metal is too hot to touch comfortably. It won't damage the rifle, and will get any type of grease to start seeping out. That, or you could just put a few mags through it pretty quickly... That's the more fun route.

If you find nothing coming out, you'll probably want to try some kroil and a punch.

[lue_119]

okay i tryed rem oil over night and a punch nothing it went down but now i got a dent in the pin from my punch i then put some clp on it let it sit over night just tryed it now and same thing....im bout to try to heat it up a lil with a candle see if it helps since i cant make it to the range today on account of the snow but ill let ya no what happens i really hope i can do this myself versous having to take it in

[lue_119]

well i tryed heating it up..didnt do a thing nothing seeped out annnd...well looks like i may have to take it in i pounded the pin too hard and the metal like folded so now even if i got it too retract in im pretty sure it'd get stuck on the metal....idk ugh :( its lookin like ima have to take it in onlything i can think of doing with that stupid pin is too cut it with my dremel and try to get the whole sight off and just replace the sight as well cause that pin is pretty muffed up :( not proud of it but any feedback on this choice or info on anymore help? lol

[Jenrick]

Okay disregard my last, just read your new post.

Can you take some pictures and post them? What type of muzzle device do you have.

Cutting it off and replacing the front sight is an one option. If you're willing to do some work to the rifle you might check out: http://www.rifledynamics.com/services/bolton_block.php basically you can shorten your rifle down a few inches with it.

-Jenrick

[lue_119]

working on it now have em up soon

[Cornhusker77]

Don't know if anyone mentioned this, but I thought mine was stuck until I realized it had left handed threads

[Hokkmike]

To me, AK's are like truly beautiful women. Best left in their basic configuration.

But I am very conservative. I also disdain scopes on lever guns.

[lue_119]

have not been able too upload any decent photos i aint got a very good camera :/ but ive decided ima take into my smith :/ i tryed the fuel i tryed heating it up i tryed shooting the sh*t out of it let it heat up and ive pounded and pounded and nothin and i also found this on the norinco aks The barrel is threaded and capped off with a thread protector, however, the retention clip is not spring activated and therefore welded onto the threads. It is, however, possible to remove the retention clip to add on a muzzle compensator. (2) so ima just take it in it doesnt seem to be welded but that pin is def stuck

[Rob G]

Yeah, I'd say that if you've tried on that and it hasn't worked, then time to see the gunsmith. Good luck OP, hope you can get it fixed.

[Chris-bob]

Silly question, but are you using too small a drive pin? Also, are you using a block under the barrel? If you have too much cushion, it will just adsorb the blows.

[adelbridge]

How long is your barrel to the base of flash hider? Some manufacturers use a barrel shorter than legal 16.xx length and permanently pin the flash hider to make legal length requirements. If this is the case with your gun you may be beating a dead horse and if by chance you do succeed you are in serious violation of the law.

[lue_119]

used a punch the same size as the pin and its a norinco nhm91 its got a 20 inch barrel so taking it off is legal for me least in the state of minnesota but i gotta get it to a gunsmith cause it aint coming off

[7mmsavage]

If you feel comfortable doing it, you coulld remove the front pin from the sight block. That is what holds your detent pin in place. Maybe the two are binding on each other and not allowing the detent to move freely.

[hq]

If it's cosmoline, just sitting in the sunlight in summer will make it seep out of wood... I'd get a heat gun and just run it until the metal is too hot to touch comfortably.

Cosmoline in steel threads can be very stubborn. Earlier this week I removed the (damaged) barrel from my Thompson 1928A1 and heat gun just couldn't do it. I had to heat it with a torch and soak it in penetrating oil before it would budge. It was as bad as red Locktite.

[7mmsavage]

Sounds to me like lue 119 can't get the detent pin to push into the front sight. He has yet to determine if the brake, or nut will turn.

Is this a '47 or '74 style sight block, or what model AK do you have.

There is a possibility that the hole that the pin and it's spring are in is full of cosmoline, and it won't move, but I doubt it. It had to be pushed in to install the brake in the first place.
It seems like it was just installed wrong.

Another possibility is that someone drove a solid pin in there just to make it look right. Is it a new or used rifle?

If it were me, I'd knock out the front, front sight retaining pin, if it's a '47 style sight, and get a look at what's going on in there.

[Quentin]

OP, is this a standard slant brake or a muzzle nut? The latter usually is welded, mine was but I could see the weld and cut through it with a hacksaw then replaced the nut with a flash hider. It all went pretty easy so I'm not sure what's going on with your detent pin.

Slant brakes often are a little loose. If you grab it and twist a little you might see it move against the detent slightly. That would prove it's not welded.

[lue_119]

its norinco nhm 91 and im pretty sure its the 47 sight block and its a muzzle nut thats why i want it off i got a break for it already just aint been able too get this pin down too remove it when i first got it the pin was rather loose would pull up a lil bit and then go down but now that ive hit it with the punch like i have its gone down some but now it wont budge and the pin itself thats supposed too retract is looking a lil rough lol its getting too the point where i may need too replace that pin now cause its been smmushed down a lil im not quite sure what to do i been considering taking it too smith for some advice or even too possibly work on but i like to do things myself lol i like to learn lol

[caribou]

You also might need to know that the threads on the muzzel are LEFT handed, as in Righty Loosy, Lefty tighty.....Hope the pin wasnt bent or jammed allready due to wrong way torquing.....just sayin'.......

[dubya450]

Where in MN do you live? I could look at it. If all fails id just cut it off FSB are fairly cheap and you could put any kind of brake or flash hider you want on.

[lue_119]

lol i aint even tryed turning the muzzle nut yet cause the retaining pin is still in place its yet too retract so theres was and is no point in trying to turn it lol andthats what i been considering and i live in southern mn ima prolly give smith a call and ask him see what he says i no of a couple of smiths down here in my area and ahlmans i no has quite the reputation so maybe one of there smiths will no how i could do it. my neighbor thought possibly drilling into the retaining pin with a smaller bit and then breaking the pin in half and just pulling it out and replacing it any one ever try this? lol