please tell me about Uberti's '58 carbine


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unknwn
December 23, 2012, 04:25 PM
I've been kicking around adding a 1858 revolving carbine to the BP collection and after searching on the subject and not coming up with much in the way of answers about the new ones available I thought it is time to field some questions here.
I'm already quite aware of where not to place those fingers and the potential for that chainfire injury, so there's no need to rehash that sort of thing.
Is there anyone out there that has bought an Uberti Cattleman in the past short while? I'm interested in finding out about the fit & finish of guns made this year or maybe last. Manufacture of 5 to 10 years ago doesn't tell me enough about thier current workmanship or materials.
There is currently opportunity for me to pay less than $470 delivered (and w/sales tax), so I'd like to learn as much as I can about this Uberti BP firearm before diving into a purchase that is about double what I've been accustomed to paying for an Italian charcoal burner.
Do these current manufacture use the dovetail muzzle end sight and loading ram catch?
Is there a saddle RING or an oval style of loop (s) for a carry strap of some sort on the carbine?
What finish does Uberti use on the wood of these guns? Do they bother to coat the exposed grain of the areas covered by the butt plate, trigger guard, or the tangs?
Is it an oil finish/protectant, or have they resorted to a urethane coating or something similiar?
Has anyone slugged thier bore to learn what the land/groove dimensions happen to be? Do you know much about the depth of the forcing cone?
Is the loading ram any longer than the long barrel pistol type?
Do any of you '58 owners out there use a Kirst Civil War style Konverter assembly? (the one that looks like a percussion cylinder w/ the faux nipples)
I am under the impression that the Konverter back plate works with both Pietta and Uberti 1858s and just needs the proper cylinder mated up to the (universal?) back plate?
Getting a Kirst Konverter for the carbine is one of my deciding points, and I'd like to be able to share a Civil war style back plate between my short barrel Pietta '58 and this carbine if it is workable. Cutting the frame on this carbine for a gated Konverter isn't my intention, and if I could share this decorative back plate rather than a "Pale Rider" version, I think I'd rather.
Any and all comments about the Cattleman carbine are welcome, please help me learn more about it prior to dropping the hammer for this potential purchase.

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Skinny 1950
December 23, 2012, 10:13 PM
I have an older (1968) Uberti 1858 Carbine, the front and rear sights are dovetailed but the loading lever catch looks like a press fit into the barrel. The wood is not as nice as my 2010 vintage 1851 Navy .36 cal. and it has a clear coat on it. I don't know if the converter would work with this or not, the action seems to be similar to the 1858 New Army .44 cal.
The Cattleman Carbine is a cartridge version of the 1873 SAA.
Here is a picture of the 1858 Revolving Carbine taken at the range:

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af11/Skinny1950/RangeApril162011Revolvingcarbine016.jpg

arcticap
December 24, 2012, 03:08 AM
According to VTI gun parts, the same loading lever is used for both the 8" Uberti 1858 and their revolving carbine. The loading lever latch and dovetailed barrel stud for both models also have the same part number.

After watching this video, I was surprised to learn that the dovetailed front sight has a locking screw located on the side of its base which differentiates it from the revolver front sight. This video also gives some good close up views of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnjSC0pLqaE

The first half of this video shows it being loaded and fired with .450 conical bullets, and 24 grains of Swiss 3F powder at a distance of 35 meters with good accuracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnjSC0pLqaE

For those who didn't know, Uberti offers 1873 revolving carbine centerfire editions in .45 LC. These can be found used for under $500.

http://www.uberti.com/firearms/revolver-carbine-and-buntline.php

http://www.impactguns.com/uberti-1873-cattleman-new-model-revolver-carbine-45-colt-18in-344190-037084441900.aspx

http://www.impactguns.com/uberti-1873-cattleman-new-model-revolver-carbine-target-45-colt-18in-345190.aspx

There was also a version of it in .357 Magnum which one range report indicated that it sent particles into his face when shooting the .357 Magnum loads, but not when shooting the .38 Specials. I mention it because that sounds similar to some reports about shooting the C&B version, i.e. - the more powder loaded, the greater the chance of blow back.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-chit-chat/513947-range-report-uberti-model-1873-revolver-carbine-357-a.html

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