44 Mag 240gr "Laser Cast" Bullets (LSWC)


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HKGuns
December 23, 2012, 04:00 PM
I picked up a box of Oregon Trail "Laser Cast" bullets to compliment my traditional Ranier plated rounds. Just to see how they performed.

My "normal" powder for the Ranier's is 19.5 gr of 2400. I can't seem to find a load for these bullets using 2400.....Am I really going to have to go out and get another powder for these things? I do have a small amount of titegroup, but I really prefer to use 2400 because I have so much of it laying around.

Anyone have a 2400 load that will work safely with these bullets? Or can you point me to a source?

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HKGuns
December 23, 2012, 04:11 PM
Ok, I found a load of 19.5 gr of 2400 for cast lead. I just want to check in with you folks to ensure this is correct as this is the first time I've messed with cast lead bullets.

56hawk
December 23, 2012, 04:45 PM
Lyman lists 20.6 max. Realistically there isn't much difference between lead and jacketed load data. Just start low and work up like normal.

HKGuns
December 23, 2012, 06:15 PM
Thanks, getting that confirmation helps. I prefer to play it safe when trying something when reloading for the first time.

jack44
December 23, 2012, 07:27 PM
I used 19.5 of 2400 with a BTB300gr I think it was alittle hot! I had a time getting the cases out!.

HKGuns
December 23, 2012, 08:23 PM
How does this one look?

http://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v74/p1348919414-5.jpg

HKGuns
December 23, 2012, 08:29 PM
I used 19.5 of 2400 with a BTB300gr I think it was alittle hot! I had a time getting the cases out!.

Yes, 16 gr is the hottest I see with that bullet weight.

56hawk
December 23, 2012, 08:59 PM
How does this one look?

Looks like you need to crimp it or you are going to jam your gun.

HKGuns
December 23, 2012, 10:34 PM
Yes that is what I thought, this should look better.

http://hkguns.zenfolio.com/img/s8/v83/p1349096182-5.jpg

56hawk
December 23, 2012, 10:44 PM
Looking good. :)

41 Mag
December 24, 2012, 05:20 AM
The load listed in the LC manual is as follows for 2400 and the 240gr SWC,

Test gun - Ruger Super Red Hawk 9.5"
Primer - Win Lg Pistol
Powder - 2400
Start - 19.8gr Vel 1354fps
Max - 22.4gr Vel 1525fps
OAL 1.605"

HKGuns
December 24, 2012, 02:29 PM
Thanks .41!! I should do just fine with my load then.

Lost Sheep
December 24, 2012, 02:57 PM
When I looked at your first picture, I thought nearly the same thing as 56Hawk. Recoil from firing the other bullets might cause an inadequately crimped bullet to pull out of the case (through inertia) and protrude from the front of the cylinder and jam the gun.

However, if the friction between the bullet and the brass is sufficient, you could get away without the roll crimp (and thereby extend the life of your brass).

The only way to know for sure is to try a few cylinderfulls and see if you do get bullet creep. When this has happened with my SP101 .357 mag, I have been able to (carefully and safely) push the bullet back into the case with my finger easily enough.

But with that much 2400, I consider it a foregone conclusion that a crimp will be necessary.

For all smokeless powders, but more so for slower-burning powders, good bullet retention (through friction and crimp, both) is necessary to let the pressure get quickly up into the powder's optimal range. If you don't get the pressure right, you will get high variations in pressure and in velocity and lousy accuracy.

Lost Sheep

p.s. I won't comment on the charge weight as I have not looked up any, but note that Jackal44 mentioned 300 grain bullet weight, but your bullets are 240 grain. Making a 20% or 25% mistake in bullet weight could be deadly.

It may seem counter-intuitive, but (in general with all other things equal) heavier bullet weights do take less powder.

CraigC
December 26, 2012, 01:45 PM
A 240gr SWC over 19-20gr 2400 is a good place to be. Plenty potent and should burn clean. Standard primers only with 2400.

Asherdan
December 26, 2012, 05:35 PM
Concur with CraigC, I've pushed 240g cast with 19.5g of 2400 with good results. Crimp 'em good.

jack44
December 26, 2012, 06:02 PM
Thanks - I'l try that next time HK I'l also try 18gr also.

flipajig
December 26, 2012, 09:29 PM
I don't have my loading manual (just moved still boxed up) 19.5 grn of 2400 and a CCI Large pistol primer I've loaded several works great in my guns.

bluetopper
December 26, 2012, 09:49 PM
2400 and the 44 Mag go together as well as any combination in reloading and have for more than 50 years.

jack44
December 27, 2012, 02:25 PM
16gr. of 2400 and a 240 lead bullet works prett good

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