Planning on selling my blackpowder collection...


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DammitBoy
December 24, 2012, 04:14 AM
I have a table at a gun show in early January, and I've decided to sell my blackpowder and replica collection. I thought this would be the best place to figure out what the market value is for each of my guns. I appreciate any help you guys can give me on pricing.

First up is my Uberti Colt Walker, imported by the Replica Arms Co. of El Paso, Texas made in 1963. I've been told that mine was probably a low enough serial number to have been in the first year that Replica Arms brought in the Uberti Colt Walker.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6042/6213049434_ca4838790d_b.jpg

Next, my 1858 Pietta .44 Remington New Army Model in stainless.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5229/5596188091_32f3fd8700_z.jpg

I'll add a couple more tomorrow...

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DoubleDeuce 1
December 24, 2012, 04:19 AM
Why would you be selling off your collection?:cool:

arcticap
December 24, 2012, 05:21 AM
Many folks look for good deals or else they tend to walk away to spend their money on something else that they liked at another table.
So I would price them conservatively rather than to price them high and then to negotiate a lower price. Some folks simply won't even make an offer if the initial price is too high because they don't like to negotiate at all.
So I would suggest to ask for $275 for either one of them, and then decide for yourself if you want to be flexible and accept a lower offer or to stand firm on the price.
If someone is interested in buying more than one gun then that could open the door to being more flexible with the price.
Also, any extras that can be added could be used to sweeten the deal, like a nipple wrench, flask, powder measure etc.
If the price is low and fair then charge for the extra accessories.
Or if the buyer makes a lower offer, then make a counter offer by including the accessories or only make a nominal concession in price if at all. Try to meet any close offer 1/2 way unless you would rather take the guns back home with you. :)

DammitBoy
December 24, 2012, 02:02 PM
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8074/8303703069_00ee0efa4c.jpg

This is my CVA ASM 1851 brass frame .44

No idea on it's value?

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Articap, I've been told the value on my Colt Walker is over $300 - is this out of line in your estimation?

J-Bar
December 24, 2012, 05:57 PM
With today's market going temporarily(?) insane, you might get more than you expect at a gunshow. I would put an asking price on them that would make you giggle with delight if it sold. You can always bargain down to give someone a good deal. And if they don't sell you can come back here and accept one of our "reasonable" offers!!

DammitBoy
December 24, 2012, 06:17 PM
That's my general plan J-Bar, just not sure what to price them at. Thought I would get plenty of pricing advice from this crowd...

I'm thinking $375.00 on the Colt Walker, $280.00 on the Remington, and no idea on the CVA 1851 from ASM?

Also planning on selling my Uberti 1873 Revolver Carbine in 45 long colt with the 18" barrel.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5110/5596187895_a4140d7962_z.jpg

I'm thinking of asking $650.00+ on it to give myself a little wiggle room. A new one is msrp'd at $735.00

So what do you guys think? Too high, too low?

Old Dragoon
December 24, 2012, 06:24 PM
why don'y you check the prices on GunBroker. com and compare prices on what gas sold recently. some are listed un realistically and sty up auction after auction. others sell quickly, and oters fairly. you have time to check these out.

Y^ou have not anbswered the question as to why ypou are selling out.

arcticap
December 24, 2012, 07:06 PM
Articap, I've been told the value on my Colt Walker is over $300 - is this out of line in your estimation?

Are they all used guns or are some of them new?
A used CVA brass frame .44 is probably worth about $125, but you could always ask for more. :)

Malachi Leviticus Blue
December 24, 2012, 07:10 PM
For what it's worth, and opinions will vary widely, used BP's tend to often sell for well under retail on the auction sites, except for the stuff that goes on sale at Cabelas. Those seem to repeatedly sell for above the regular low sale prices at Cabelas.

Unless the gun show you're planning to attend has an unusually high number of BP enthusiasts, I'd be surprised to hear you sold any of them for above the typical going rate on the auction sites, maybe not even close to those rates.

Do you know the manufacture of the Walker? Looks like it might be an Uberti bases on the Color Case Hardening, If so $275 sounds about right on the high end to me based on some blemishes that seem to exist. If it's an ASM or Palmetto less.

The stainless Pietta Remington, $225-$250, again the high side for what I'd expect them to sell on the auction sites.

The CVA ASM 1851 brass frame .44, $130 for a typical high end sell price. I think you'd be lucky to get $100 for at a show.

On the Uberti 1873 Revolver Carbine, I haven't seen one sell that I can recall and it's less common than your others. My gut says that $650 is reasonable if you have a highly interested buyer, otherwise I think the odds of you actually selling it are low.

All the prices I referenced are reasonable in my opinion if you are prepared to bring them all home with you, and all are more than I'd personally plan to pay.

Hope that helps, and good luck. Maybe after all the AR's sell out you'll get some extra lookers.

DammitBoy
December 24, 2012, 07:50 PM
As I previously posted Malachi, it's an Uberti Colt Walker from the first year of import. Appreciate your input.

I expect by January 12th/13th - there will be no AR's to sell at the show, unless they are priced for their weight in gold. I'm expecting the buying frenzy to be somewhat helpful, less so because we are talking black powder. Who knows?

I've done very well at the last four shows, selling everything I brought with me. I plan on looking at gunbroker prices for the next two weeks to see what's actually selling and what they sold for. That's good advice and I always use that as a benchmark the night before a show.

DammitBoy
December 26, 2012, 12:35 AM
Why would you be selling off your collection?


You have not answered the question as to why you are selling out.

I really don't understand why it's important, but answered in this thread.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=690864

BHP FAN
December 26, 2012, 02:35 AM
Also, a lot of folks are selling off black powder guns right now, to finance getting some more mags, ammo, or guns they think they might not be able to get anymore, after the current occupants get a new AWB going. They know [hope] they'll always be able to restock the collection with BP guns.

Old Dragoon
December 26, 2012, 10:37 AM
Fair answer.
It is good to pass the goods ones that are doubled up on, into hands that will enjoy them. For sure you can't use them all, and in the end, better to be down to the bare essential ones you really like.

I was just concerned. I did the same thing a few years ago, now wish I had kept a couple of the ones I sold though.

BTW I like your moniker as the joke around home was that I thought my name was Dammit David! for years.

DammitBoy
December 26, 2012, 12:04 PM
Dragoon - it's been my construction job nickname for 20 years now, pretty sure I earned it honestly! lol

Dellbert
December 30, 2012, 03:29 AM
Now you got me thinking that the bp pistols prices will start to go up. I was thinking of selling off some of the bp pistols I have had for a few years and still NIB. After reading this thread I think I may add a few more I been after to the collection. I did what Old Dragoon was talking about selling some and now wishing I haddn't sold them. I been buying and selling sence the early 70s and boy I have beat myself up over some of the stuff I let go of. I was younger and well STUPID!!! :banghead:

BHP FAN
December 30, 2012, 05:47 AM
You probably never bought a Moore's patent Colt .41 derringer for fifty bucks, and sold it for two hundred [thinking you were smart] and then found out it was worth $800.00 to $1200.00
then, and now want to puke whenever you think of it. Or, maybe you do. If so, welcome to my world.

Dellbert
January 1, 2013, 01:36 AM
Dang BHP FAN. That's the kind of stuff that hurts if you don't stop thinking about it. :mad:

BHP FAN
January 1, 2013, 01:58 AM
a little over forty years of gun collecting will get you an interesting and humorous [to other folks] bunch of stories...

DammitBoy
January 1, 2013, 03:23 AM
Let's stay on topic people! lol

Happy New year and what should I price my stuff at? Quit hedging, I'm selling it all at the gun show - none of it to you pikers!

arcticap
January 1, 2013, 04:24 AM
DammitBoy, Happy new fiscal cliff year 2013 to you too!
The expenses for the gun show table and other costs like transportation and meals should probably be factored in to the selling price of the guns.
About how much will the added expenses total for you to sell at the gun show?
Do you have any other guns for sale that some of those extra costs can be split among?

DammitBoy
January 1, 2013, 04:24 PM
Arcticap - I'm going to the show anyway, as I always do. The table will cost $65 but I will save the entry fee for myself, my spouse and my son at $8 each.

I have not decided if I'm selling anything else. I might, if I can bear to part with it, add my Winchester 94 trapper in 45 colt with the big loop. That would reduce my lever actions to just my Rossi/Puma Legacy in .454 casull, which I can shoot 45 colt out of rather handily. My plan the last four shows was to reduce what I had and reduce the number of calibers I had to stock.

I sold five shotguns, keeping only a double barrel sxs and my Benelli M1 super 90. I figure that's all the shotgun I need.

Sold several others that eliminated the only guns I had in 44 mag, 10mm, 22 hornet, 30 carbine, 20ga., .22 short and 32 S&W. I've been able to reduce what I need to stock down to 12 calibers.

I also upgraded several guns and added three new to the collection to fill a niche I felt was lacking. I no longer shoot blackpowder nor do I have any of the components any longer that go with them. They have become decorations that I feel others might get better use out of than I.

arcticap
January 2, 2013, 11:23 AM
If you don't have very many guns left to sell, at some point it becomes more economical to sell them through a gun auction site or private classified ads.

I realize that gun shows are entertainment for you and your family. But also that there's meals and transportation expenses depending on the distance of your home to the show. Any additional money that you think can be made at the gun show basically goes to pay expenses whereas a classified ad is free and gun auction fees are rather small and aren't assessed unless a gun sells.
But there's no guarantee that the guns will sell after a gun show table is paid for either.
I know that you're going to the show anyway.
You're the only one who knows the prices that you want to get for the guns.
I know a gun show vendor who said that sometimes he accepts more trade-in guns then he sells at the show and ends up coming home broke, and he gets stuck with the guns until he can sell them. Some gun shows have slow sales because of the high prices verses gun shops and the economy. Sometimes that can even be due to bad weather, you never know.
I hope that you find some willing buyers.
Have fun and good luck accomplishing your mission. :)

BSA1
January 2, 2013, 01:46 PM
Colt Walker 1st Issue - A clone is a clone is a clone. How accurate of a reproduction is it and how many people do you know with horses to carry it?

1858 Pietta .44 Remington New Army Model - enjoys popularity with the Cowboy Action Shooters especially with a 45 Colt conversion cylinder. I would try listing it on a CAS forum.

CVA ASM 1851 brass frame .44 – There is a sucker born every minute. Brass frame will only hold up for limited amount of shooting. Cabela’s ran them on sale $ 179.00.

Uberti 1873 Revolver Carbine in 45 long colt – is used in Cowboy Mounted Shooting. I would try listing it on a CMSA forum.

Condition is important also.

arcticap
January 2, 2013, 02:24 PM
CVA ASM 1851 brass frame .44 – There is a sucker born every minute. Brass frame will only hold up for limited amount of shooting. Cabela’s ran them on sale $ 179.00.

The day before Christmas when I checked the Pietta 1851 brass frame was on sale for $139 but Cabela's price for a new one fluctuates.

DammitBoy
January 2, 2013, 03:54 PM
I've sold everything I brought to the last four shows. A total of 25 firearms, some for a 250% profit - most for a 75-100% profit and some for a 25-50% profit, one for what I paid for it. I realized a profit in total over $4000 of what I originally had in the guns I sold.

I expect I'll do fine at this show as well. The show is only 45 minutes away and I was going anyway, so not an issue.

I paid $35 for my CVA brass frame at a yard sale, I'm betting I'll make a profit. Should cover my table and food anyways - hotdogs are $2...

It has been VERY hard to resist buying trade-ins at the show, but I did do several that I turned around for a profit - only took 4 new guns home, so 1 per show is not horrible. Also bought exactly what I was looking for so that part of my plan was successful.

Uberti Carbine and Winchester 94 are flawless, condition excellent. CVA looks new, unfired. Pietta and Walker are in good, used shape.

ps - I also get discounts from other tables for having a vendor I.D. - this comes in handy at the ammo table. I also get to see all the other tables before the doors open, this has come in handy as well. I have also had some bargains offered to me by fellow vendors ($150 for a beta c-mag!) and show attendees trying to sell a gun and didn't know what they had. It has been a fun experience and glad I decided to give it a whirl. Don't know if a "blackpowder" table will be as successful as the past four tables, but I'm going to find out.

DammitBoy
January 13, 2013, 10:41 PM
Just got back from the gunshow in Jackson. There was record attendance on both days. The wait in line outside was an hour to two hours long. People waited in the rain today.

Sold everything I brought to the show. The Uberti Walker sold for $300, I had $100 in it. The Pietta stainless remington sold for $210, I had $170 in it. The CVA ASM brass frame sold for $145, I had $75.00 in it.

The Uberti 1871 Revolver Carbine sold for $675, I had $600 in it. I also sold my Winchester 94 20" Legacy in 45 long colt for $850 and I originally paid $675 for it.

Outside of blackpowder, or replica style western firearms, I sold a Para P10 warthog for $850, that I had given $650 for, and a case of .223 remington 55 grain which sold for $190 that I had originally purchased for $71.00.

Hardest part of the show was turning down 4-5 great deals that came across my table from customers wanting to sell, so they could invest in AR's and ammo.

hogshead
January 13, 2013, 10:58 PM
"and a case of .223 remington 55 grain which sold for $190 that I had originally purchased for $71.00." A thousand rounds? Last weekend at the Asheville show a case was $720.

4v50 Gary
January 13, 2013, 11:14 PM
A happy ending.

DammitBoy
January 13, 2013, 11:26 PM
"and a case of .223 remington 55 grain which sold for $190 that I had originally purchased for $71.00." A thousand rounds? Last weekend at the Asheville show a case was $720.

Mine was the small case of 200 rounds, full case price for 1000 rounds was $900.00

It was a crazy madhouse, but it was fun too. Still kicking myself for not trading for a ruger gunsite scout with a scope and leather sling that came my way for $800 with two ten rounds mags... :banghead:

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