The Answer to the AWB!


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krupparms
December 24, 2012, 01:20 PM
The answer to the proposed AWB! We don't need to start a war as others have suggested! If we started leagle militia and showed the people how they help! We need to show that we are prepared for natural desasters or man made ones. We don't need to start a war! But we need a general call up! Without violence or stupidity! The 2amd.was put there for us to use! JMO.

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silvermane_1
December 25, 2012, 10:57 AM
that's a great idea, but a lot states frown on the term "militia" legal or not, how about calling ourselves the "united firearms owners of america" or something along that line, but still two thumbs up for the idea krupparms.

Creature
December 25, 2012, 11:12 AM
I will pass on that idea...

krupparms
December 25, 2012, 12:38 PM
I don't mind the name change. Even thought if some. I just believe we need to exercise our rights or we will lose them! Citizen safety committees like the founding father's choose, but we need to do something along those lines. Merry X-mas &happy new year to all!

hso
December 25, 2012, 12:44 PM
Most states have a state militia already, and not the National Guard.

Look up your state's militia and join if you think that would be a good thing, but it won't serve to help with the RKBA struggle we're facing.

Sacajawea
December 25, 2012, 12:54 PM
Virginia's "Civil Defense League" has a good reputation and has been around awhile.

http://www.vcdl.org/

krupparms
December 25, 2012, 01:21 PM
HSO Can you explain why you believe that? Also as I used to live in E.Tennessee &I am pretty sure they had a state militia &it did alot of good things. Did they go bad or disband? I was just woundering why you believe that way. Don't want to argue, just understand.

krupparms
December 25, 2012, 02:50 PM
I don't understand! The militia is the main point of the 2amd. Why are they given such a bad name? Government propaganda or what? I am not sure when this shift in the way we look at them took place .There are alot of us that have done nothing wrong. But we are made to feel like we have done something wrong.Merry X-mas & Happy New Year.

LNK
December 25, 2012, 02:52 PM
I don't understand! The militia is the main point of the 2amd. Why are they given such a bad name? Government propaganda or what? I am not sure when this shift in the way we look at them took place .There are alot of us that have done nothing wrong. But we are made to feel like we have done something wrong.Merry X-mas & Happy New Year.
I read about athens, right after WW2. I have a home not far from there. What part of E. TN are you from? Just curious, don't have to post it...

LNK

Double Naught Spy
December 25, 2012, 03:20 PM
HSO Can you explain why you believe that?

Not to answer for HSO, but several of the actual STATE militia groups (not simply groups identified with a state's name) are largely unarmed service organizations such as the Texas State Guard. Even if they were not, such organizations would have nothing to do stopping any sort of AWB anymore than they did in 1994. Being in a militia doesn't mean you get go have a M-16.

7.62 Nato
December 25, 2012, 06:12 PM
The answer to the proposed AWB! We don't need to start a war as others have suggested! If we started leagle militia and showed the people how they help! We need to show that we are prepared for natural desasters or man made ones. We don't need to start a war! But we need a general call up! Without violence or stupidity! The 2amd.was put there for us to use! JMO.
Sounds like a lot of useless, "feel good" rhetoric just like a lot of existing laws on the books today.

The 2amd.was put there for us to use!

Many people think that the mere threat of this is enough. That is not a threat without the resolve, or teeth to deliver it.

krupparms
December 26, 2012, 02:37 AM
I agree we should not all go get M16s. But I would like to keep my AR15 or AK or what ever .I just feel we should not hide in the dark . We should be out in the open and seen as responsible gun owners & militia members. Not crazy people running around in the woods. I believe a peaceful protest might be in order. Maybe I am just an old man that don't want a war to start or the Republic to come crashing down. As I said JMO.

Solo
December 26, 2012, 02:54 AM
Why are they given such a bad name?
The existence of white supremacist paramilitary groups, for starters.

7.62 Nato
December 26, 2012, 03:02 AM
That's it ! The race card, modern day answer to all questions asked. Not the right answer, just the most popular.

silvermane_1
December 26, 2012, 04:05 AM
well Solo hit the nail on the head with that last post, that is what the uneducated MSM spoon fed public thinks, that's why i agree with krupparms 100% on the idea and on how he feels about AWB, hey i want keep my Mini-14 with comp. folding stock with pistol grip and 30 rd. mags too.

Solo
December 26, 2012, 04:16 AM
Paramilitary groups like the KKK (and, to be fair, the Black Panthers) are what the general public thinks when the word "militia" is uttered. Kind of like how a lot of people equate "Muslim" with "terrorist", or "French" with "coward". Not saying it's right, but that's how the world is.

Yo Mama
December 26, 2012, 09:27 AM
The militia is the main point of the 2amd.

No it's not. There is an important comma:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Heller found this to be true, it's an individual right.

We don't need to start a war as others have suggested!

Who on here has asked to start a war?

I agree we should not all go get M16s.

Why not? The Framers thought we should be able to.

We should be out in the open and seen as responsible gun owners & militia members. Not crazy people running around in the woods. I believe a peaceful protest might be in order.

Where do you get that we are crazy people running around the woods. I'm in my living room right now. Your idea to join a militia is not a form of peaceful protest either.

The 2amd.was put there for us to use!

This is the one I have the most questions about. What do you mean for us to use? The 2nd Amendment was not in the original Constitution, it was in the Bill of Rights, meaning it's a limit on what the Federal government can impose. It doesn't give you the ability to do anything.

Sam1911
December 26, 2012, 09:34 AM
I guess I'm just completely confused as to what this militia call-up is supposed to ... DO?

Are you suggesting that the militia would have been an appropriate entity to respond to or prevent the school shooting? (What? How?)

Are you suggesting that if we were all members of various "militia" organizations -- just as a general thing -- the public wouldn't want an AWB? (Why would that be?)

Or if an AWB seems likely to pass, we should all mobilize our militias and do...something? (Goodness, that's a mighty big step ... better be prepared for some mighty unpleasant times.)

Hokkmike
December 26, 2012, 09:50 AM
The SCOTUS has twice conferred that the Second Amendment is an individual right. Membership in a militia is not required for us to retain arms.

And, with all due respect, Krupparms, sir, while making such an important post please reread and edit it to allow it to reflect the thoughtful and intelligent man that you are.

BTW, I too proudly join your ranks of being "just and old man". Well, older anyway.

Thank you.

ID-shooting
December 26, 2012, 10:00 AM
Saw on the idiot box the other night the "million moms" (yes, they are back and claiming to be 80 million now) are planning a march on DC.

A Militia call up could be a PEACEFUL counter march.

My state has a clause for unorganized militia, I am sure others do as well. If my state were to support a call up to help snap reality back into the public's eye it may be a good thing. Of course this would require the States to stand up for thier rights...

Master Blaster
December 26, 2012, 11:32 AM
The second amendment is an individual right period. It was written in the Bill of rights to be sure that the government would not be able to infringe or removeit. It was just confirmed by the US supreme court. Semi automatic rifles are legal and need to stay that way.

Surculus
December 26, 2012, 12:04 PM
The last time there was a big militia movement they just got labeled by the govt &media as training camps for domestic terrorism. What makes you think the next time would be any different?

hso
December 26, 2012, 01:17 PM
The problem is as solo pointed out, the majority of militias were unorganized groups with bad reputations as opposed to the state militias like the Tennessee Defense Force.

krupparms
December 26, 2012, 02:36 PM
One more shot at this. I don't believe that they militia is a bunch of racist or whacks running around trying to hand out F.A. weapons &plotting to over throw our Republic. I agree with what you say about the SCOTUS said. The part that gives force to us is the first part of the constitution. I don't believe we should take over security for schools. That's someone elses job. I do believe a peaceful protest /march by responsible &disaplened militia would be a way to show we are not what the government &media make us out to be. We need to show a positive view! JMO. Happy New Year to all! We don't have today agree, that's what makes us strong &Great!

Skribs
December 26, 2012, 03:11 PM
Sam, I had another possibility in mind - the idea that being part of a militia would be sort of a "I get to have these banned guns" card. Like "oh, you want to ban AR-15s? Well I'm in the militia, so I need an AR-15!"

Sam1911
December 26, 2012, 03:19 PM
Oh, good then, as we are ALL part of the "militia". Which brings us full circle. The militia is US. We DO need these guns to fulfill our role. A membership card or insignia is not required.

Guillermo
December 26, 2012, 03:58 PM
I was unaware that there was an "assault" weapon ban that needs to be answered.

With the "hair trigger" closing of threads in the "activism" forum I am shocked that this one is still open. (I had a "letter writing/boycott" thread closed because it was not "activist" enough. :confused:)

Personally I like the proactive thinking. :D


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krupparms
December 26, 2012, 06:09 PM
I believe under the law of land warfare you must wear a insigina or badge of some kind. And I believe a proposed AWB would violate the rules under the US codes that state we should have weapons of current military pattern. If an AWB is proposed maybe a protest /march done under the proper conditions could work! No one has to agree! That is part of the system. I hope the Republic is here the day I die so I may pass it on that way! Happy New Year To All!

Double Naught Spy
December 26, 2012, 06:28 PM
Just exactly which codes are those again that state militias must have current military pattern rifles.

krupparms
December 26, 2012, 08:26 PM
As I am moving to a new apt. I don't have my books &reference material with me. It can be found under the U.S. Codes covering the militia. If you look online they are not to hard to find. I would recommend a constitutional website. Most of the Information will cover both the organized & unorganized militias.Just my view the Texas Militias are out there &doing a good job of making the militia look good. They are a good example for us all. JMO.

Double Naught Spy
December 26, 2012, 11:46 PM
Sorry, but I don't have your materials either.

Since you are making the claim that it exists, you should substantiate it!

That none of the great minds at the NRA and other pro-gun organizations would have seemingly missed this apparently obvious counter argument to the AWB of 1994 and that it would counter any such future AWBs would definitely indicate that what you are claiming as being real isn't actually within the code as you claim.

krupparms
December 27, 2012, 01:47 AM
That is a good question, why didnt the NRA use this information back in 94? Why don't you ask them? When I asked way back then, I received a form letter asking for more of my money to stop the AWB! No comments on the information or question! I have read these codes &have no reason to lie! While your post is a attempt to shut me up &change the subject! That alone speaks to your attempt to end a conversation that is needed for alot of important reasons! One being the proposed AWB of 2013! Something that the NRA or anyone else will be unable to stop! Instead of trying to pick things apart, let's put something together. A united front against the AWB! You all have a happy new year! JMO

r1derbike
December 27, 2012, 02:07 AM
I have to agree that, to the uninitiated who never owned a firearm, or read the constitution pertaining to us, the word "militia", in present anti fashion, would leave a negative connotation to those who would hear it in defense of our rights.

After the recent atrocities, and the media's ignorant (and blatantly stupid) coverage of them, we have an uphill battle to convince the uneducated about anything.

We will fight this battle in the political trough, inside the beltway, and with all our local and state representatives.

The idea is sound, its execution needs some deep thought. Hang together or hang separately.

Guillermo
December 27, 2012, 10:58 AM
“I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole body of the people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them…”
George Mason (1725-1792), drafted the Virginia Declaration of Rights, ally of James Madison and George Washington

Double Naught Spy
December 27, 2012, 11:39 AM
It is a simple answer, krupparms, because your claimed US code does not exist, at least not that you have been able to prove.

krupparms
December 27, 2012, 02:57 PM
Your Right I I am NOT going to prove it today just to make you happy! I will send you a copy as soon as I get my things out of storage. I am not going to argue with you! I have read them. If you Have not Then what Can I say! thank you all 4 the good conversation! Have a happy new year! DNS I will Send you a copy As soon as I can. In the meantime please quit trying to derail the conversation. Thank you.

krupparms
December 27, 2012, 03:39 PM
It would seem that every time we try to discuss this topic someone jumps in to start an argument. I would hope that even those who disagree can still talk about it without all the need to argue & turn the talk into a argument! Please let's try to stay on topic even if we don't agree! These are important subjects! I am not saying I have all the answers. But I do have opinions as do others. We grow thru these conversation & hopefully learn from them!

Double Naught Spy
December 30, 2012, 10:10 PM
Well let me help you out of the argument, krupparms.

A legal militia isn't the answer to the AWB. No militia law stated that the militia must be armed with current military pattern guns and so that argument of yours is out the proverbial window. Moreover, no militia law is current that states the arming of a militia save for the Militia Act of 1903 which replaced the succession of Militia Acts starting in 1792. The Militia Act of 1903 established the National Guard. Weaponry of the Guard is not private weapons and so is would not fall under the guise of the AWB.

The reason why the brains at the NRA did not challenge the 1994 AWB on the grounds of the militia codes that you claimed to exist is because such codes, even if they were as you believed them to be, are no longer in effect.

Of course if you were going to base your argument on the second Militia Act of 1792 that stipulated weaponry, then your plan would still fall short. After all, given the legal composition of the militia stipulated at the time, it really only applied to white males. Blacks were not allowed to serve until 1862 as covered by the Militia Act of 1862 and didn't get equal pay until 1864, but women were still not allowed at that time.

Your argument is based on laws not current for more than 100 years and so is baseless today.

Do you have any solutions that are based on any laws that are currently in effect?

krupparms
December 31, 2012, 04:03 PM
My suggestion was not dependent on the US code that I brought up! A peaceful protest /march could work if done &handled right! My stuff is in storage, when I get it I will check it &if I am wrong I will retract it! But my suggestion was not based on it! What are your suggestions? Writing letters &making phone calls! It has not worked for the veterans! Thousands who are waiting for our government to do the right &leagle things for them! Were must be as proactive as the antiwar protesters during Vietnam! &The civil rights protest &marches! JMO! Good luck, keep your powder dry &happy new year!

krupparms
January 3, 2013, 08:53 PM
It would seem that there are two main sides to this issue. Should we all write letters, call our representatives &join or send money to the NRA &hope they don't let us down like last time! The other point of view is that none of that will work &we will lose even more rights! The big question is WHAT DO WE DO? I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER! WISH I DID!!MAYBE WE CAN COME TOGETHER &WIN THIS ONE! BUT I DOUBT IT. WE HAVE GROWN TO FAR APART I FEAR! MAY JAHOVA WATCH OVER US! &KEEP US SAFE!

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