Dr. Ron Paul on Gun Control


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SigSour
December 24, 2012, 03:40 PM
Long time lurker - first post, thought I'd share this. Great forum.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/21404/ron-paul-rejects-nra-gun-proposal-calls-out-against-gun-control

"Connecticut already has restrictive gun laws relative to other states, including restrictions on fully automatic, so-called “assault” rifles and gun-free zones. Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control. This is understandable, but misguided. ... Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented. But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don't obey laws.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57560727-10391739/ron-paul-no-fan-of-nra-gun-plan/

"Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens' lives," he continued.

"Government role is to protect liberty, not to pursue unobtainable safety," wrote Paul.

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M-Cameron
December 24, 2012, 03:51 PM
It's sad that one of the few politicians who actually understands the constitution and the actual job of the govt. doesn't stand a chance at becoming president.

yokel
December 24, 2012, 03:53 PM
In National Socialist Germany there was never concern about public safety and rampant crime, such as we have today in America. One could walk the streets of any German city or town any time, day or night, without fear of being knocked in the head, killed or raped.

Crime prevention and social control were primary and led to new conceptions of police power that laid the basis for the police state.

JBrady555
December 24, 2012, 03:55 PM
welcome sigsour, I'm also I big Ron Paul supporter. If the media didn't do to Dr. Paul the same thing their doing with gun control we might have a president that could turn this country around. Too bad the majority of people look to media propaganda to decide who they vote for.

Sky
December 24, 2012, 03:59 PM
Thanks for posting; good find

JBrady555
December 24, 2012, 04:04 PM
yea it was a good read. I really liked this quote "Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place."

velojym
December 24, 2012, 05:27 PM
In National Socialist Germany there was never concern about public safety and rampant crime, such as we have today in America. One could walk the streets of any German city or town any time, day or night, without fear of being knocked in the head, killed or raped

Unless you were a member of a politically unpopular class, of course. Then the black bags and cattle cars come out. But that was all perfectly legal.

leadcounsel
December 24, 2012, 05:32 PM
I agree with Ron Paul.

Every day I feel like the world is just insane. Emptiness is valued, and substance is destroyed. The sheep don't seem to understand economics, cause and effect, incentives, or basic human principles... :banghead: I just don't seem to understand the sheep, and the herd of sheep seems to grow.

readyeddy
December 24, 2012, 05:41 PM
Ron Paul makes a lot of good points, especially about rebuilding civil society in America.

But I do see hope for the future in today's twenty somethings. I see young people promoting sustainable practices (what I call common sense), being politically engaged, gardening and even hunting. Some have taken up hunting specifically to accept responsibility for killing the animals they eat, in addition to the health benefits of eating organic.

Ron Paul may not have won the Presidency, but he has made an impact that will hopefully continue to materialize.

JBrady555
December 24, 2012, 05:46 PM
I know that this isn't exactly high road material, but while we are on the ron paul topic, here is a nice chart of what the libertarian movement stands for. It helps me show others what we are about. Please don't close the OP's thread because I posted this.

wankerjake
December 24, 2012, 06:00 PM
Makes sense, as usual. The "guns" aren't the issue, they never have been. All this talk about acceptable legislation, magazine capacity, "assault weapons", making schools into security checkpoints... are all missing the boat. Gun control lobbyists, politicians, the NRA... just throwing out ideas in time of crisis. It's a much more complex problem.

This, in my opinion is the real issue:

"I don't agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence. Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets."

ShamboPyro
December 24, 2012, 06:18 PM
I like what he sais about guns but not the other stuff.

JBrady555
December 24, 2012, 06:47 PM
I like what he sais about guns but not the other stuff.
What other stuff do you not like? I'm not trying to pick a argument, I'd just like to hear what you don't like in the message.

Skribs
December 24, 2012, 06:49 PM
I'm with Sam. He says not to restrict guns, but also says that armed personnel (be it teachers, cops, veteran volunteers, whatever) aren't going to solve the problem either. I know the problem won't go away, but it would provide both a deterrent and a response option that doesn't involve a 15 minute drive from the police station.

JBrady555
December 24, 2012, 06:57 PM
I could be wrong skribs because I'm not real suave with the political stuff, but I think that he meant that he doesn't think that armed security at schools should be dealt with at the federal level. Paul is all about reducing the size and power of the federal government and putting the power back in the hands of the state and local governing bodies. Meaning each state would have to make their own decisions about the particular issue. That is the way I read into it anyways as a long time Paul supporter.

AABEN
December 24, 2012, 07:12 PM
We did not hear of this years ago! Seance they have taken GOD and a good a$$ whipping out of are schools and not letting the parents whip the kids at home with out trying to put them in jail. We have had a lot happen in the schools. IN the teachers that CC can carry in school. I hope that all states will let the teachers that have a CC carry in schools.

M-Cameron
December 24, 2012, 07:13 PM
I'm with Sam. He says not to restrict guns, but also says that armed personnel (be it teachers, cops, veteran volunteers, whatever) aren't going to solve the problem either. I know the problem won't go away, but it would provide both a deterrent and a response option that doesn't involve a 15 minute drive from the police station.

thats because its not meant to solve the problem, its meant to deal with the problem.....which is not ideal but its still better than what we have right now.

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