GRNC Alert 12-22-2012: Is BATFE Moving To Ban Ammo?


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Green Lantern
December 24, 2012, 05:33 PM
The following is from an email from Grass Roots North Carolina

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is considering further restrictions for various types of ammunition used in both rifles and handguns. The new restrictions stem from the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968, which among other things restricted “Armor Piercing” ammunition and also set forth exceptions that were allowed. One such restriction banned handgun ammunition which had a composition where the materials were harder than lead.

In what appears to be yet another anti-gun initiative by the Obama administration, the BATFE is now considering reversing previous policy by banning ammunition which was originally designed for rifles but can also be used in certain handguns, such as the Thompson Contender or pistol versions of semi-automatic rifles, by claiming that some such ammunition does not meet the exception standards. At issue now is what changes the BATFE would make in further determining exceptions under the “sporting purposes” exceptions.

As BATFE documents note: “…in developing a narrow sporting purposes test, ammunition in traditional hunting calibers will become regulated.” Translated, common rifle ammunition, including steel-core ammunition, would be banned simply because a handgun happens to be chambered for that caliber – as such handguns have been for many decades.

For more information, please go directly to the website provided by the BATFE: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/industry/

There is still time!

The BATFE has opened the issue for public comment until December 31st, 2012. That gives us less than a month to have our voices heard in this issue. Take a moment and write to the BATFE using the email address provided below and let them know your concerns as they consider future changes to the “sporting purposes” exceptions to the Gun Control Act of 1968 which very well may result in further restrictions on commonly used ammunition.
IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED!

Email The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives before December 31st.
Tell the BATFE that further restrictions are not needed and would be a serious violation of our rights under the Second Amendment.
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CONTACT INFO



BATFE email APAComments@atf.gov



DELIVER THIS MESSAGE

Suggested Subject: "To the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives:"



To Whom It May Concern,


It has come to my attention that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is considering further restrictions for various types of ammunition used in both rifles and handguns as they pertain to the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968. I am personally concerned that further restrictions on commonly used ammunition would represent a serious breach of the intended scope of the original limitations set forth under the laws created in the Gun Control Act.

As BATFE documents note: “…in developing a narrow sporting purposes test, ammunition in traditional hunting calibers will become regulated.” Regulated? It would be effectively banned. I will not stand idly by while bureaucrats try to ban common rifle ammunition, including steel-core ammunition, simply because a handgun happens to be chambered for that caliber – as such handguns have been for many decades.



Respectfully,

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hso
December 24, 2012, 05:41 PM
Good alert!

Checkman
December 25, 2012, 04:36 PM
Okay I sent my letter. We'll see what happens.

we are not amused
December 26, 2012, 08:19 AM
It might be a good idea to point out that the handguns so chambered are almost all universely used for sporting purposes such as hunting.

Kush
December 26, 2012, 09:42 PM
I read the BATF article and it sounds like they are planing on adding exemptions for certain ammunition (lead free ammunition that would normally be defined as armor piercing), not removing them.

JVaughn
December 26, 2012, 09:58 PM
I agree Kush, sounded positive to me. I sent my letter. Thanks.

68wj
December 26, 2012, 10:54 PM
Sent. Yes, could be a good thing, could make things worse. It depends on what they hear.

ccsniper
December 27, 2012, 01:28 AM
could someone explain this? I don't seem to be getting it.

68wj
December 27, 2012, 06:22 AM
could someone explain this? I don't seem to be getting it.
AP handgun ammo is banned but there are many handguns that are chambered in rifle calibers (especially the increasing popularity of AR style pistols). If the ATF classifies a particular cartridge as a handgun round, even if it is primarily used in rifles, then it may be banned depending on its construction. There are "sporting purposes" that may exempt some of this ammo though and still allow it. Currently, 5.56 surplus is exempted, but this development may mean it could lose that status and be outlawed. This could potentially affect many of the monolithic bullets too if their AP criteria are expanded.

Since the restrictions are based on Law Enforcement safety, and the exceptions are based on "sporting purposes", here are some considerations:

Rifle ammunition by its nature of size and velocity will pierce most soft body armor and structure regardless of bullet construction. Modern protection against rifle ammunition includes ceramic or similar panels, of which will also defeat true AP bullets. Therefore, AP rifle ammunition poses no greater threat to Law Enforcement than traditional rifle ammunition, regardless of whether it is fired from a pistol or rifle.

Ammunition is an extremely expensive portion of any shooting sport, whether for the extensive practice required to become proficient or the end use itself. Many surplus cartridges may lessen the cost burden. Many of these surplus cartridges may be constructed with steel cores or jackets, but fill a need for a shooter/hunter's sporting purpose.

Many bullets prized for their accuracy or performance on game animals are comprised of a solid metal such as copper. This type of bullet may also benefit from other blends of metal that fall into the AP category. Furthermore, these bullets may be considered non-toxic due to their lack of lead and would be allowed in protected condor habits in California.

gunnutery
December 27, 2012, 06:49 AM
I sent mine. At the time I'd forgotten about the AK and AR pistols, but basically said I didn't think that rifle caliber pistols were making much of a splash in crime.

The timing of this couldn't be more telling and they're looking for a reason to meddle about. It's quite annoying and back-handed and unnecessary. I pretty much said all that minus the "annoying" bit. I don't think I was outright rude, but I made it known that I thought they were being nit-picky. I'm much more polite in my letters to representatives.

hso
December 27, 2012, 08:31 AM
In truth, AK and AR pistols don't factor into crime, but what actually plays a roll in crime isn't of much interest to banners.

Bolt-action pistols firing carbine or rifle calibers have been around a long time and in use for hunting, but the AK and AR pistols are relatively new. In this case the BATFE may be looking at the way that the development carbine/rifle caliber pistols affect the regulations and how they need to be interpreted.

Trent
December 27, 2012, 10:43 AM
My letter.

As a Federal Firearms Licensee, I responded to the open comment period.


To whom it may concern;

As a Federal Firearms Licensee I would like to respond to the ATF’s open letter regarding 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B)(ii) of the Gun Control Act of 1968, regarding the definition of sporting use as applicable to Armor Piercing ammunition.

A narrowing of the Sporting Purposes test for armor piercing ammunition could adversely affect many individuals who collect historically significant ammunition, such as holders of a licensed Curio and Relics FFL, as well as common everyday shooting enthusiasts in the industry.

While it is true that there are handguns chambered in rifle cartridges, such as the Thomson Contender series, those handguns are primarily intended for precision target shooting and hunting applications. Their single-shot nature does not lend the instrument to use in crime, and should represent no threat to law enforcement. Furthermore, REGARDLESS of what projectile those firearms are firing, the sheer amount of kinetic energy available will cause the projectiles to penetrate soft body armor. A Thomson Contender pistol chambered in 300 Winchester Magnum, for instance, will penetrate all modern police and military soft body armor at considerable range. Whether that firearm is shooting a bronze projectile, a lead core / copper jacketed bullet, a pure hardened lead bullet, or a tungsten core AP projectile does not matter in the least.

Regardless of the projectile composition, or whether fired from a handgun barrel or a rifle barrel, most, if not all, of the smokeless powder based rifle ammunition produced since the year 1905 (with the incorporation of the 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge by the German military), will, indeed, penetrate soft body armor at ranges in excess of hundreds of yards. It does not matter if fired from a handgun or rifle. The technology to send small metal projectiles out at the speed required to defeat soft body armor has been around for well over 100 years. The threat to law enforcement has not, itself, changed, only the perception of the threat has changed. I would like to also comment that other certain projectiles, such as the primitive crossbow bolt, will readily penetrate all soft body armor.

In summary, no armor will defeat all projectiles.

Also of historical significance; Armor piercing rifle ammunition, from an historical, military perspective, was designated as such not for its ability to penetrate soft body armor (which did not even exist when the term was coined), but rather, for its ability to penetrate light skinned armored vehicles and aircraft, to damage components or personnel on the interior of the vehicle. With the advances in materials sciences for armor composition (polymers, layered armor, Lexan, and so on) the use of small arms fire, firing standard or “armor piercing” rounds, is generally ineffective against such vehicles.

Just as the application of anti-vehicle technology has changed with technological progress, ongoing development of personal body armor has changed; there are now SAPI plates available for personal body armor which will defeat multiple hits from a full sized 30-06 rifle cartridge firing an “armor piercing” projectile.

The line on what is, and what is NOT, armor piercing is impossible to quantify with a single written standard.

In this interest, I would respectfully request that the BATF not limit the projectiles that can be fired from any cartridge.

Best regards,

Trenton XXXXXXXXXX
Federal Firearms Licensee
{Address Omitted}

mr.scott
December 27, 2012, 01:33 PM
Would you stop trying to justify it using "sporting/hunting uses".
We need to stop being defensive and start being offensive. Remind the idiots in power that the 2nd amendment isn't about sporting or hunting. It's about keeping the government in check.

PowderMonkey
December 27, 2012, 01:55 PM
Would you stop trying to justify it using "sporting/hunting uses".
We need to stop being defensive and start being offensive. Remind the idiots in power that the 2nd amendment isn't about sporting or hunting. It's about keeping the government in check.

Haha ok I'll let you use that verbiage in an email to the ATF. :eek:

popper
December 27, 2012, 07:16 PM
Now Feinstein is wanting to regulate 'assault pistols' whatever that is.

ONly legal description I've seen about 'assault rifles' is the media (whatever they want to identify as assault) and DOD's grossly inept attempt to define an assault rifle. They basically try to identify Ouzi but add almost everything to the definition..

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