Who is my ATF NFA Examiner?


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emailforforum84
December 24, 2012, 09:22 PM
I'm trying to read NFATRACKER and am confused. I have a suppressor coming to me from a dealer that I have been waiting on probably about 4 months his busines sname is Going Quiet.

I also tried doing form 1's recently through a trust, my last name starts with a L.

Can someone tell me who my NFA examiner will be?

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Cesiumsponge
December 25, 2012, 03:19 PM
It's no longer name-based and now based on region.

http://www.nfatca.org/pubs/0512_NFAExaminers.pdf

emailforforum84
December 25, 2012, 05:54 PM
Awesome! FL has it's own examiner?

Good to know we love our NFA weapons.

I did a NOLO.com trust as many have ahd, but all the nay sayer's on this site have we worried it will get disapproved.

In all honesty my wife will end up turning over the weapons or sticking them in the attic and dying before she attempts to take them to the range or sell them so I am not that worried about the "extra words" in a NFA worded trust just the validitiy of it.

I also don't buy this, you need one written by a lawyer crap because EVERYTHING is written by a lawyer. The NOLO.com trust was once written by a lawyer. Same as the warning label on cigarettes, same as the freaking baking ingredients to jello. Because it has to be because American's are inherintly lazy and seek the easy way out by suing rather than earning a paycheck.

Pride in America is DEAD!

medalguy
December 27, 2012, 01:52 AM
Good luck with your trust. :rolleyes:

BP44
December 27, 2012, 02:08 AM
As a fellow nfa member please don't call every two weeks and check your status on tax stamps:cuss: if you wish to call and check up on the progress just realize it slows the system, the NFA game is a game of patience.

Cesiumsponge
December 27, 2012, 09:29 AM
The NFA isn't going to deny your trust. They aren't lawyers. However, if you ever have a legal tangle, the court just might invalidate your trust.

Every state has slightly different laws. Lawyers charge the money they do because they have a specialty occupation and specialty knowledge that we don't. It's why we pay them and doctors big bucks. You can always represent yourself in court or use a free public defender, but I think we tend to know how that goes versus paid legal representation.

I'll let you in on my experience. When I got my first can, I got a free complimentary trust by the shop I went through, which was about 10 pages of legal mumbo jumbo. I filled it out and submitted my Form 4 on trust. I got an approval four months later and I was happy. I ended up buying another can down the road and decided to pay a lawyer to restate the first trust it because I wanted more out of my trust, such as designating trustees, beneficiaries, and doing asset distribution upon my passing or incapacitation.

Guess what?

My lawyer went over my existing trust and pointed out several areas that made my trust invalid by law and worthless. How was I supposed to know that? I don't have the legal expertise to determine such things. I ended up restating the entire trust and expanding on it to cover all my legal grounds, specific to the state in which I reside. Best money I ever spent for peace of mind from an estate and planning lawyer that is also an NFA fan. There are probably thousands, if not tens of thousands of people out there with the same or similar free trust setups that were approved by the NFA but technically a legally invalid trust. You aren't going to know if the trust is any good until it gets put to legal scrutiny.

Charger442
December 28, 2012, 11:57 AM
As a fellow nfa member please don't call every two weeks and check your status on tax stamps if you wish to call and check up on the progress just realize it slows the system, the NFA game is a game of patience.

the secretary or admin answering phones and typing your serial number into the system to check status is not the one doing your background check and processing papers. therefore, it shouldn't slow anything down on your wait times.

asking to talk directly to your examiner when you call everyday, might have an effect. but in reality, its because you're application is behind 25,000 other applications in a box.

emailforforum84
December 31, 2012, 10:30 AM
haha yeah I dont need to call until about 6 months. I can see when ther check is cashed and then I may call about 6 months after that if I havent seen anything.

emailforforum84
December 31, 2012, 10:39 AM
Guess what?

My lawyer went over my existing trust and pointed out several areas that made my trust invalid by law and worthless. How was I supposed to know that? I don't have the legal expertise to determine such things. I ended up restating the entire trust and expanding on it to cover all my legal grounds, specific to the state in which I reside. Best money I ever spent for peace of mind from an estate and planning lawyer that is also an NFA fan. There are probably thousands, if not tens of thousands of people out there with the same or similar free trust setups that were approved by the NFA but technically a legally invalid trust. You aren't going to know if the trust is any good until it gets put to legal scrutiny.

I dont understand this "pre packaged" trusts are not good and invalid mentality. Especially since the people on the forum that have this opinion are often times lawyers selling their service. Also no one can ever seem to provide a time when a pre-packaged trust failed them or was not approved or anything bad happened as a result of them. They were written by lawyers, approved by lawyers and reviewed by lawyers to ensure they are valid. If they werent no one would buy the product. They may not be the prettiest things out there, but they can't not be functional. (kind of like Glocks. They get the job done, everytime and are a hell of a lot cheaper than a custom 1911, but not nearly as pretty)

WITH THAT SAID - I am sure it is best to have some extra legal wording in their since this is dealing with firearms, namely Class III firearms but currently that is NOT my concern as I have no kids, my parents are afraid the ATF is going to kick down my door any day now because having suppressor's and SBR's clearly means I am a terrorist and my wife doesnt have ANY interest in them. The worst I can think of happening with a "pre packaged" not firearm specific trust is I die and the items get taken or turned over to the ATF. Not the most ideal, but not the end of the world either.

Now as far as legal issues. I have a basic trust, I am the grantor, hopefully one day I have two SBR's and another suppressor that are out for approval in said trust. Let's just say the ATF said your good and here's your stamp approvals, what could happen that would then make the trust no longer valid (aside from the obvious like me becoming a felon?)

I am not seeking to start an argument. I am merely looking for advice or opinions.

emailforforum84
December 31, 2012, 10:41 AM
When you had the lawyer redo your trust? Did he just rebuild the current one or create an ewntirely new one? I like the idea of down the road having a lawyer in person checking it out and putting their take into it. I just did not want to get into that right now.

So now is it considered the same trust or do you have to transfer all of your items in the trust into the new trust and re-pay the $200 tax?

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